Itsumo on The Buzz - Constructive Criticism Welcome

[puti]

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Reply to huslabiatch, and to the immature people participating in this topic:


We are not putting them down here as Filipinos, we are criticizing them depending on an overrated song that they are so arrogantly proud of. If they were humble enough to admit that it was a fluke, and that they had permission from the owner of the beats they used, which should be clearly printed in their album or their website, then that’s something else.

We are not fighting here. There are just people who cannot take the truth, and pretend that they are tough, and know what they’re doing. For all I know, they just might be wannabe’s. They act like toddlers drooling over the carpet in their mini trikes pretending to be adults rollin on dubs.

I also mentioned that I hope that they don’t rely on this one-hit-fluke, as things like these are short-lived, and you’d have to come up with new ones to express your artistry, and prove the skeptics wrong. How would you feel if their group be branded a one-hit-wonder after the track takes a nose dive, and they can’t come up with other tracks to keep them afloat? You don’t want a CEBUANO artist to called that would you? So in a way, this is a challenge to them, that there are people who are not afraid to speak out. It is healthy to know ones weakness and shortcoming. It makes you a stronger individual.

Hip Hop is a lifestyle, and Rap is words of truth.. Keeping it real. Truth is never misconstrued, just opposed by the conventional, dogmatic general public. We do not misunderstand their music, since it is clear that the track is sampled from a foreign artist without permission, and their lyrics, (which I’m sure is original), is elementary in the world of rap. Their message is clear, the song is about love, but we are not talking about their lyrics, we are talking about the caliber of their track, and that it should be rated appropriately, and advice to shallow people out there, that this particular artist or group have yet to prove themselves.

[tolstoi]

to those cranky old skeptics here..y dont u just sit in yur rocking chair and try to see for yurself if this band is a one-hit-fluke or not.....coz IMO whatever style of music they have now, it just hit!!..period..and to tell u frankly, yur posts are too irritating for me as a *cebuano*, it does not coincide anymore with yur subject w/c is "constructive criticism my as*"...mind u there are 4 basic golden rules of constructive criticism and these are the following:

- Give criticism in private.
- Do not sound threatening.
- Keep the criticism balanced.
- Focus on the problem, not on the person's personality.

mostly u dont have the 3rd one...coz u are just blabbing always on their negative aspects...y dont u just say "there music is definitely a one-hit-fluke but in faireness HI-C looks darn sexy".....well say it....anywayz peace out to ya ol

[PissKhanXXX]

If this altercation could not be resolved soon, I'm afraid I would have to lock this thread...

with sensitive topics, tackle the issue... don't hit on anyone!

[CuJo!!!]

i'm sure that it wasnt a sampled track... The melody was entirely original, and trust me I KNOW FOR A FACT that it was HI-C who sang that song.. Don't ask me why but i just know.... HOWEVER, romours have been flying around that the japanese lyrics for itsumo were lifted from a song by Japanese sultry singer Utada Hikaru... I just want clarification on this matter.. I'm a big fan of dice and k9, thus i really want to know the truth....

BY THE WAY, what u really saw on tv about a woman claiming to be the "itsumo" songwriter was an ENTIRE FABRICATION.. It's really part of the media blitz that accompanies a starting artist.... I believe that management intended those rumours to further fan the flames of success.. hehehe.... But i have a healthy respect for the group coz i know were they come from and i know the aches and pains that they've gone thru....

i just need clarification on this matter..

[Lickin Gs]

to those cranky old skeptics here..y dont u just sit in yur rocking chair and try to see for yurself if this band is a one-hit-fluke or not.....coz IMO whatever style of music they have now, it just hit!!..

This was a creation of thiers last year...... Haven't heard a new hit since then.... so what are you tryin to say?? Someone's goin to be hit by lightning and comeup with another shiznit track after a year of nuthin?

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[JDM111]

look, i'm pretty sure we're arent the only ones who have "negative comments" about the song and/or the group ok?

check this out.. http://www.mastaplann.com >> go to the guestbook. read on..enjoy!

[tolstoi]

guyz..i'll make this issue straight and final...f u want to post all yur *negative comments* here then i guess yur not on the ryt *thread*...this is all about "Constructive Criticism" and not the other way around. do yur research first on constructive criticism b4 u post on this thread.. f u want to err all yur grievances about this band then create another thread/subject that is more suitable on this matter... peace

[M@rv|n]

aside sa piracy naa nasad lain threat ang music/movie industry which is unfair criticism nya ipakalat ug mang rekrot pa jud

murag naa man tingali na sa rules dinhi sa dli pwede ang mga post na maka destroy ug reputation sa other ppl(sakto bah?)

naa sad ko na hinumduman ato na "if you have nothn gud to say please .... "
(mods paki delete lang ni ako post if lainan mo aheheh ok ra)

[CRONUS]

HAHAHAHA!!!!

Where do I begin?!?! Well first off, the positives. I like the beat! For real, i wanna hit that shit up! Its a tight love song beat and deserves to be reckognized. Don't know where they got the samples but it is tight. I congratulate them on their success! They did turn the beat into a real song with the lyrics and hook. I don't know where they got the hook whether from japan or their own but if Hi-C really made that then where did she learn japanese? I met them once when they jugded a battle I was in. They are cool as hell and I don't "think" they would really jock all of the song. But don't ever let them judge your battle! They go with crowd and then tell you later that they would have chose you but didn't wanna start a fight. True or not... I don't know but i lost hehehe...

Tolstoi and husla... I think you are too clouded by just being cebuano and trying promote cebuano music. But i ask you this. What happens if the song really is stolen from other artist. Maybe not all of it but parts of it. That would look bad for all of cebu and it's people. You should be pround and support cebuanos who make "ORIGINAL" music. If it is original then that is great and i'm happy too. I am not from cebu but I am proud to be FILIPINO period. And i promote music from any FILIPINO artist. I am partial to Cagayan de Oro but I'm down with hip hop as a whole. Basically though, you should be support music from cebu that is original. That would give Cebu the reputation of being able to make their "OWN" music and still become successful. That is the ultimate. We have a CD that is self produced and self released, it ain't famous yet but i can say that it is 100 percent original, and if we were ever to be questioned we can show all of the artists and original samples or whatever.

The downside to the track (the topic is ITSUMO not contaigous or any other track). The lyrics don't deserve to be classified as hip hop unless there is an elementary (not abstract) hip hop category where kids learn to spell. hehehe, i'm sorry but that is for real!!! It ended kinda dumb with the drum pattern just doing a little... something. Can't even describe it. Other than that it was cool! It was ameteur and for thatyou HAVE to give them credit. But now that they are in the big leagues, we have to expect more and espcially more professionalism.

I only lived in the Philippines for two years and I am all about promoting hip hop. I just want people to do it right. They are rockstars posing as rappers. That is true! When i taked to them they told me that they hang out more with rockers an like alternative. They even dressed like it. Except trapp and hi-c. Overall the track ITSUMO was tight for a amateur production but i expect better next time...

RAP IS SOMETHING WE DO. HIPHOP IS SOMETHING WE LIVE!- KRS ONE

[puti]

to those cranky old skeptics here..y dont u just sit in yur rocking chair and try to see for yurself if this band is a one-hit-fluke or not.....coz IMO whatever style of music they have now, it just hit!!..period..and to tell u frankly, yur posts are too irritating for me as a *cebuano*, it does not coincide anymore with yur subject w/c is "constructive criticism my as*"...mind u there are 4 basic golden rules of constructive criticism and these are the following:

- Give criticism in private.
- Do not sound threatening.
- Keep the criticism balanced.
- Focus on the problem, not on the person's personality.

mostly u dont have the 3rd one...coz u are just blabbing always on their negative aspects...y dont u just say "there music is definitely a one-hit-fluke but in faireness HI-C looks darn sexy".....well say it....anywayz peace out to ya ol

- Give criticism in private? What’s this forum for?
- I do not sound threatening. But I can be.
- Balanced: how can criticism be balanced? I am the critic here. I criticized the song, not the person. Why it's called constrcutive criticism: cause you're supposed to highlight the negative points, as a means of assisting the people concerned where their weakness is. Like help them build a solid keystone.
- Exactly, that’s why we focus on the song, not the artists. Read the posts again.

mostly u dont have the 3rd one...coz u are just blabbing always on their negative aspects...y dont u just say "there music is definitely a one-hit-fluke but in faireness HI-C looks darn sexy".....well say it....anywayz peace out to ya ol

Here's a short course on Constructive Criticism.

I don’t need to explain myself. Read on to understand more of what you’re talking about; and although you’re not the one directly criticized, as you are merely a fan, there’s much to learn. I am very open to a live debate if you’re up for it. But, I do not waste my time on people like you. I am here to inform people of what they do not know, it’s nothing personal.

Constructive Criticism - Some Assumptions
1. Criticism arises out of interaction, rather than simply action. Evaluation is important to improvement, but criticism should follow a "two way street." Criticism is more valid when all parties involved interact both as the "critic" and the "criticized."

2. Those that criticize need to value and invite criticism. Criticism can be promoted if the critic first invites criticism of his or her own behavior. By inviting criticism, a person can create a situation in which her or his criticism of another is perceived as appropriate.

3. The "Critic" and "Criticized" guidelines that follow are pertinent to all parties involved in "criticism" discussion.

Constructive Criticism - Guidelines for the Critic
1. Understand why you are offering criticism. Feel confident that doing so is appropriate to the situation and constructive for the parties involved. Criticism voiced out of self-interest or competition may be destructive.

2. Engage in perspective taking or role reversal. As you develop a criticism strategy or response, try to understand the perspective of the person being criticized.

3. Offer criticism of the person's behavior, not on her or his "person." Refer to what a person does, not her or his "traits," or "character."

4. Even though criticism implies evaluation, emphasize description. Before offering any judgment, describe behavior you see or have experienced.

5. Focus your criticism on a particular situation rather than general or abstract behavior. "Index" and "date" your criticism, much like a "journalist": deal with who, what, where, and when.

6. Direct your criticism to the present ("here and now") rather than the past ("there and then").

7. Emphasize in your criticism your perceptions and feelings. Indicate what you think and feel about the other's behavior that you have described. Use "I" statements.

8. Invite a collaborative discussion of consequences rather than offering advice. Form a partnership to deal with problems. Do not compete with the other party; compete with the other person against the problem.

9. Keep judgments tentative. Maintain an "open door" of dialogue rather than presenting your "analysis" or "explanation" of another's behavior.

10. Present criticism in ways that allow the other party to make decisions. Do not force criticism on the other. Encourage the other to experience "ownership." People are more likely to comply with solutions that they generate.

11. Avoid critical overload. Give the other an amount of critical feedback that she or he can handle or understand at that time.

12. Focus criticism on behaviors that the other person can change.

13. Include in your critical feedback a positive "outlet." Reinforce positive actions and invite the possibility of change.

14. Invite the other to present criticism of you.

Constructive Criticism - Guildelines for the Criticized

1. Recognize the value of constructive criticism. Such criticism can improve relationships and productivity.

2. Engage in perspective taking or role reversal. Try to understand the perspective of the person offering criticism.

3. Acknowledge criticism that focuses on your behavior. Attempt to transform criticism that seems directed at your "person" to specific behavioral issues.

4. Listen actively. Even though criticism may hurt, seek to understand accurately the criticism being presented.
a. Paraphrase what the other is saying.
b. Ask questions to increase understanding.
c. Check out nonverbal displays (check your perceptions).

5. Work hard to avoid becoming defensive. Resist any tendency to want to dismiss criticism or retaliate.

6. Welcome criticism; use the criticism appropriate to improve.

7. Maintain your interpersonal power and authority to make your own decisions. Criticism, when directed at one's "person," may weaken one's resolve. Focus the other's criticism on your actions. Seek ownership of solutions.

8. Seek constructive changes to the behavior that prompted the criticism.

9. Insist on valid criticism. Valid criticism: (a) addresses behaviors, (b) is timely, and (c) is specific.

10. Communicate clearly how you feel and think about the criticism and receiving criticism. Use "I" messages.


I hope you're learned something.