CBCP: Weak without SIN?

[amingb]

A nation without God's guidance is a nation without order. Happy are those who keep God's law! (Proverbs 29:18 GNB)

Mao ni ang Pinas karon walay guidance sa Ginoo ... kinsa may e blame nimo ana ? para sa ako kanang mga alagad kuno sa Simbahan kay ilaha na resposibilidad.

[mango]

"Corazon Aquino is asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt, the schools are asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt, business is asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt. And the Catholic bishops are asking Arroyo to remain because she can help fight the corrupt? That has got to be the joke of the century."

The Catholic bishops are the very argument for this country to turn Muslim, or Buddhist, or atheist. And history will make the bishops irrelevant.


by- Conrado de Quiros

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquirer.../Mise-en-scene

[giddyboy]

"Corazon Aquino is asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt, the schools are asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt, business is asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt. And the Catholic bishops are asking Arroyo to remain because she can help fight the corrupt? That has got to be the joke of the century."

The Catholic bishops are the very argument for this country to turn Muslim, or Buddhist, or atheist. And history will make the bishops irrelevant.

by- Conrado de Quiros

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquirer.../Mise-en-scene

i don't totally agree on de Quiros' opinion..why?

Ok, "Cory Aquino asked GMA to resign"...who is Cory to ask that? is Cory's opinion more "saintly" than the bishops' collective stand?

"schools are asking gma to resign"..."all" schools, or "some", or "few" schools?

"The Catholic bishops are the very argument for this country to turn Muslim, or Buddhist, or atheist. And history will make the bishops irrelevant."... this i don't agree best. de Quiros failed to mention Christian faiths other than RC. we have lots of RC's converted to Protestants, Sabadistas, INC, Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, Baptists, Kingdom of Quiboloy, Ecleo's cultism, Jesus is Lord movement, etc...

what then if history will make the bishops irrelevant? in politics? they're supposed to be apolitical in the first place. Cardinal Sin (bless his soul) man lng ang ngpa-uso ana...take US for example. any religion there is irrelevant to the affairs of the State coz sa ilaha "klaro" ang boundary between church & state whereas sa atoa "blurred"...

[LytSlpr]

"Corazon Aquino is asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt, the schools are asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt, business is asking Arroyo to resign because she is corrupt. And the Catholic bishops are asking Arroyo to remain because she can help fight the corrupt? That has got to be the joke of the century."

The Catholic bishops are the very argument for this country to turn Muslim, or Buddhist, or atheist. And history will make the bishops irrelevant.


by- Conrado de Quiros

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquirer.../Mise-en-scene

dequiros is smoking too much pot again.

[balatucan]

i don't totally agree on de Quiros' opinion..why?

Ok, Cory Aquino asked GMA to resign? who is she to ask that? is her opinion more "saintly" than our bishops' collective stand?

"schools are asking gma to resign"..."all" schools, or "some", or "few" schools?

"The Catholic bishops are the very argument for this country to turn Muslim, or Buddhist, or atheist. And history will make the bishops irrelevant."... this i don't agree best. de Quiros failed to mention Christian faiths other than RC. we have lots of RC's converted to Protestants, Sabadistas, INC, Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, Baptists, Kingdom of Quiboloy, Ecleo's cultism, Jesus is Lord movement, etc...

what then if history will make the bishops irrelevant? in politics? they're supposed to be apolitical in the first place. Cardinal Sin (bless his soul) man lng ang ngpa-uso ana...take US for example. any religion there is irrelevant to the affairs of the State coz sa ilaha "klaro" ang boundary between church & state whereas sa atoa "blurred"...

ikompara man nimo ang US nga loose man na sila ug morality. Wala man gani na sila religiousity. As for me, wala man gidili moapil ang Church sa politics. Pwede. Makabotar man ang mga pari. Thats politics. Kung makabotar sila ngano dili man sila maka take ug stand kung political leader kurakot ug wala na gyuy uwaw kaayo. Ang gidili PARTISAN POLITICS, like kanang moapil ug election. Pahawaon gyuud na sila sama ni Fr. Ed Panlilio.

Pero religious sector cannot engage in politics? Why not?

Kasabot anang separation of Church and State? Bout ipasabot ana the Chruch will not share state or political power.

[mango]

Ka hilas sa mga nanaway ni De Quiros- you don't deserve to kiss his butt. If any of you can write even half as good as he does and get paid for it by PDI- that's the time you earn the right to criticize. Until then, put a lid on it !

[deathrow]

nabantayan lang nako nga...
murag la kaau cla nagkahiusa..

[giddyboy]

ikompara man nimo ang US nga loose man na sila ug morality. Wala man gani na sila religiousity.

we can compare how U.S. separates church & state coz our Constitution provision "mimicked" that of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but the sentences

"The free exercise & enjoyment of religious profession & worship, without discrimination or preference, shall be forever allowed. No religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights " were appended & this section became the basis for the non-establishment of religion & freedom of religion in the Phils. ---wikipedia

in another note, we can't compare our morality to the U.S. maybe they have different standards of morality but it doesn't mean they don't have it.
it also doesn't mean ours is above them as no one can dictate moral authority. abi ky predominant RC man ta, gatuo ta nga we have superior morality over non-catholic countries...dili na na sakto para nako.

As for me, wala man gidili moapil ang Church sa politics. Pwede. Makabotar man ang mga pari. Thats politics. Kung makabotar sila ngano dili man sila maka take ug stand kung political leader kurakot ug wala na gyuy uwaw kaayo. Ang gidili PARTISAN POLITICS, like kanang moapil ug election. Pahawaon gyuud na sila sama ni Fr. Ed Panlilio.
Pero religious sector cannot engage in politics? Why not?
Kasabot anang separation of Church and State? Bout ipasabot ana the Chruch will not share state or political power.

yes, u r correct on the church should not involve in partisan politics...w/ regards to voting, it is an "individual's right" as a citizen, not as a priest...w/ regards to Fr. Ed Panlilio's entering politics, he took a 3 yrs leave of being a priest so this should settle the constitutional issue.

but i think it is not as simple as that. Understanding the separation of church & state is complicated by the fact that we are using such a simplified phrase.

Article 2,Section 6 - says;
"THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE SHALL BE INVIOLABLE."

"INVIOLABLE means - NOT TO BE VIOLATED OR HARMED AS A SACRED OBJECT."

actually, this Separation of Church & State 101 issue is an ongoing debate till now. there are the "separationists" view. there are the "non-preferentialists" view. there are the "accommodationists" view. and there are the "theocrats" view...

Separation of church & state is a 2-way street. It isn’t just about restricting what the govt can do with religion, but also what religious bodies can do with the govt.

Religious groups cannot dictate to or control the government. They cannot cause the government to adopt their particular doctrines as policy for everyone, they cannot cause the government to restrict other groups, etc.

The separation of church & state is a key constitutional liberty which protects the public from tyranny. It protects all people from the religious tyranny of any one religious group or tradition & it protects all people from a government intent on tyrannizing some or any religious groups.

source: about.com

[br]Posted on: February 29, 2008, 09:17:16 PM_________________________________________________

Ka hilas sa mga nanaway ni De Quiros- you don't deserve to kiss his butt. If any of you can write even half as good as he does and get paid for it by PDI- that's the time you earn the right to criticize. Until then, put a lid on it !

as far as my comments to de Quiros article is concerned, wala ko nanaway, but "disagreeing some points"...even if he is a good writer & paid a lot by PDI doesn't mean no one can criticize or agree to his opinions. everybody (even a child) has the right to criticize or agree to a columnist's views...after all that is what opinion columns are all about, OPINIONS. if u will notice, at the bottom of most columns there is stated, "if u have feedbacks or comments, please email me at blah, blah"...so there u go.

[LytSlpr]

Ka hilas sa mga nanaway ni De Quiros- you don't deserve to kiss his butt. If any of you can write even half as good as he does and get paid for it by PDI- that's the time you earn the right to criticize. Until then, put a lid on it !

I follow de quiros column. nobody ever said he is a bad writer but his opinion sometimes doesn't make sense and his views are conflicting.

if you admire de quiros that much you should know he smokes pot. how can i trust a person who writes about politics that is a pothead?

[johnny22aa]

with their divided and weak position, i believe now's their time to shut up and not meddle with political issues & have their own way. just imagine if c gloria would aim her rifle back to them nya mag apil-apil and mo question on some religious issues and doctrine. question about the catholic being a one true church, celibacy, holy trinity, sanctity of priesthood. what if gloria would take a strong stand on this issue? swerte lng cla this is a close-minded catholic population.

sobra ra jud kau ning cbcp. be with cardinal sin or not!