The theoretical question that will bash down all religion to its knees!

[Jollibee]

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From: Jollibee ---
Live your life, believe and in what makes you happy and comforting BUT dont start condemning other people coz they dont think and act like you...

-- I hope these "people" are intelligent enough to understand this.

Mao lagi bro sad ako ni gi suwat nga thread bro... AWARENESS BA... hee...

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I agree with you 60%, when emperor Constantine merge Christianity and Paganism he also ordered the priest to do some adjustments in the bible so that it will fit on the new religion that he create(murdered preachers, scribes,etc.).When Roman Catholic is created they now distributed the new version of the Bible and the old ones was burned. But the old Christians didn't like the way of RC so the hide in the mountains until the time Luther exist and create protestantism, but until know we still use the Bible that the RC revised.

what a nice Fable...

[seven_segment]

in humane...i respect other religions and so atheists...

but I still adhere that:

Satan doesn't care if you're doing good or bad...all he wants is to keep mankind away from God...to keep away mankind from believing and loving God...all he want is for mankind to reject God and to keep mankind away from God's Grace...

as long as his wants are satisfied...he has no problem...

His greatest problem is God working on for mankind...that is why his temptations come in...Satan will keep on tempt people to keep them away from God...and of course what keeps us away from God and His Grace are due to the sins people commit.

[brown_dog]

The creation of the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit through its writers or authors.
Does God intentionally misguide his people. Well he answered that already those who seek him he will be there for them. I don't care whether you bash Christianity and its Bible God will guide us if we seek God for his words are found in the Bible.

The Bible is Biased of what? The bible is conflicting for those who do not open and read it and continues to say its not credible.
Can you give me a single verse in the Bible that is conflicting?

The Bible is inspired word of God and not a creation of man through Gods prophets and Apostles.
Well its no surprise Evil or Satan does employ a strategy of discrediting anything of what God is trying to portray.
Its even applied Government vs Opposition right now, all i'm saying this is too obvious battle of ideas between good and evil.

Satan is known to be the king of lies. Well if you do not agree with that then you think Satan is speaking the truth.

Then again the question who should we worship are we worshiping satan instead of God. the word of the Bible will be our guide and not only that it produces tremendous amount of evidences and prophecies fulfilled. Also it has stood the test of time. Millions of Christians are transformed or Converted to following Christ's life which is governed with love of God and fellow people. The Most evident quality is They have the fruits of the spirit of love for each man and a decent life.

Why do I worship God? Because I dont believe I came from monkeys and a product of ridiculous theory of hydrogen + time = intelligent man. Mind you scientist just found out statistically that man came to existence a trillion trillionth less than 1 percent to impossible chances that man came to existence. I would really believe man came from hydrogen + time theory if the chance even came to close to 1 percent. There must be some kind of a miracle an intelligent being that makes impossible things possible.

Christian should live a Christ like way of lgiving to people, if what people here are claiming christians are killers and murderers then simply they are not true Christians. Simple. Get it?

For those people who justifies that they are living their whole life being a dedicated volunteer charity for the poor they are more likely are not athiest. Take for example Mother Teresa the most dedicated mother who gave everything to the poor in India can any athiest match her decication?
Can you give me a very famous athiest who has the same dedication of mother terresa? If none then people who are charity and is an athiest are not trully dedicated charity people. What about bill gates he donated lots of money to a charity I bet its just 2 percent of his riches donated and cannot be counted as true dedication. (why is he not giving all his riches and followed Chrsit same as mother teresa?)Most likely just for show to the public purposes. What about the pharisees during Jesus time they also give to the poor.
I tell you if an Athiest do charity is he really saving that person soul? There is a thing called mendicancy though. Volunteer People are mostly dedicated christians its evident because they also spread the gospel of Christ as well as charity work.

Then again you will say Athiest will not go to heaven because they are comparable to mother Teresa. And why do Christians go to heaven when they don't do charity work. Well just to inform you look at the works of of true christians they do charities not only that they also believe in Christ.
Athiest will not go to heaven because they don't the power to forgive their own original sins through baptism. Does that mean God is intentionally sending athiest to hell without any chance of salvation no because Christ Gave his life to forgive all our sins including original sins whoever believes in him will have eternal life. And its a free gift without obligation. Huh does that make any sense?

I tell you who do you think organizes the biggest charity drive in our societies today aren't those organized by churches and religions? Can you tell me any large athiest organization involved in charity? All I see is athiest organizations usually involves non believeing scientist and some politicians which is not even an organization.

Don't come bash that Christians are like Hitler because Hitler himself is an Athiest. I can tell you famous athiest in our world which you can be proud of and its Hitler.
The famous communist leader Joseph Stalin (founded the KGB - famous with torture interogation method), and Lenin. I think Kim Jong Ill the famous president of North Korea is an Athiest. Here is your saints, although you are not following them you are the same and are called athiest.

I agree with you 60%, when emperor Constantine merge Christianity and Paganism he also ordered the priest to do some adjustments in the bible so that it will fit on the new religion that he create(murdered preachers, scribes,etc.).When Roman Catholic is created they now distributed the new version of the Bible and the old ones was burned. But the old Christians didn't like the way of RC so the hide in the mountains until the time Luther exist and create protestantism, but until know we still use the Bible that the RC revised.

for me I stand in no religion but i have a one TRUE GOD, i agree with you that the bible is a guideline for Christians.

The teachings of merging paganism is a pure idea of Catholic tradition and not Biblical. No where in the Bible where you can find a teaching to worship multiple Gods in fact its the opposite. A triun God?the main difference of Paganism claims their Gods are different from each other, While Christians have one God, Christ is God in man form the holly Spirit is the spirit that inspires all men to live a life of love and reverence to God.
Nothing wrong with the Bible just misinterpreted That is why protestantism emerged. This can also be considered the work of Satan himself working within Gods church. In fact the anti Christ will emerge with in the church based on prophecy and evidendes. The creation of the Bible trully is the work of the holy spirit working through men of God through the evidences of prophecy and true life practical living.

The Bible is misinterpreted plain and simple.

I believe the bible is not created by any man. And its evident of the context and detail with in it example there is no way John the revelator would have known all the prophecies of revelation. No way the book of revelation has the same exact message(not contextually) of the Book of Daniel which is hundreds of years appart. If the Catholics did invent the Bible why then they misinterpret the simplest commandment. Which is the First commandment. Which is The simplest of all -

12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
Exodus 34: 12-17

The Catholics should have interpreted it correctly by now if they are the ones who made the bible which you claim that they are. WHy do they have many molten gods (altars).

And yeah I understand why God wants to be worshipped becuase he created you and me. Its just proper that we worship our creator. Does that make any sense?
Who do you think God is? Read the Bible.

And the attitude that we don't need to worship anything we can be our own god is egotestical and selfishness its the same attitude of the Devil which inspires corruption(Lies), murder(born out of selfishness)

And didn't God warn those people in Noahs time to turn away from their sins for 40 years? People during that time even laughs at Noah claiming he is nuts or crazy building the Ark. For seven days after the ark was finished no rain fell and people started to rudicule and make fun of Noah telling him he is crazy. But on the eighth say the door of mercy was shut.

[munzter666]

Don't come bash that Christians are like Hitler because Hitler himself is an Athiest. I can tell you famous athiest in our world which you can be proud of and its Hitler.
The famous communist leader Joseph Stalin (founded the KGB - famous with torture interogation method), and Lenin. I think Kim Jong Ill the famous president of North Korea is an Athiest. Here is your saints, although you are not following them you are the same and are called athiest.

again with the Hitler thingy....he believed in god. he was a christian, not a good one lang nga.
Gott Mit Uns remember.haha

PS: check out who did the bashing about Christians/catholics are por-hitler. it was an ADD fundie, not an atheist.

theism is not a religion, neither is a atheism. diversity exist among atheists....sure you can build organizations, philosophies, agencies around it. that does not mean each and every atheist must comply though. wala kaming must do's and dont's, all we have in common is disbelief.

Athiest will not go to heaven because they don't the power to forgive their own original sins through baptism. Does that mean God is intentionally sending athiest to hell without any chance of salvation no because Christ Gave his life to forgive all our sins including original sins whoever believes in him will have eternal life.

eh kung kayo lang din ang makakasama ko sa "heaven" solohin mo na lang.haha
why are fundies so eager and greedy for space in heaven?? you can have my space for all i care.

[Sinyalan]

Don't come bash that Christians are like Hitler because Hitler himself is an Athiest. I can tell you famous athiest in our world which you can be proud of and its Hitler. The famous communist leader Joseph Stalin (founded the KGB - famous with torture interogation method), and Lenin. I think Kim Jong Ill the famous president of North Korea is an Athiest. Here is your saints, although you are not following them you are the same and are called athiest.

Hitler was a christian... catholic to be exact and had twisted ideals.

Stalin, Kim Jonh Ill and Lenin, Mao are communists in common... since socialism and communism are evil, thus atheism and communism are not the same thing.

[brown_dog]

again with the Hitler thingy....he believed in god. he was a christian, not a good one lang nga.
Gott Mit Uns remember.haha

You consider Hitler a Christian? Good for you. He wants to kill or eradicate all the jews the race of Jesus Christ. More like an anti Christ to me.
But I really believe that there are people who shows themselves are Christians but are hypocrites. The work of the anti Christ himself.
Again we know the anti Christ will rise inside the church. This is the great battle of Good and Evil.

I don't have any clue what heaven is, based on paintings its a huge white place but in the Bible its described to have golden streets and there is a City called New Jerusalem.

eh kung kayo lang din ang makakasama ko sa "heaven" solohin mo na lang.haha
why are fundies so eager and greedy for space in heaven?? you can have my space for all i care.

That is the lifetime work of true Christians to invite as many people as they can to come to know Christ and be a true Christian.

We can be righteous but Gods standard of rightneousness is so High that we need to die like Christ who is so pure in keeping the ten commandments in his thoughts and heart that he is sinless. Christ did love God what that does entails it encourages for us to share Gods love to others. Christ love for others is so great that that he died for them setting aside his Godly powers and healed many sick. Fortunately Christ is is giving the gift of salvation all you have to do is to believe in him and to walk with him and we can be saved.

Why then its only Christians are saved because God wants us to experience perfect love and happiness and through Christ we can experience it. There is a more complete love other than giving charity and its walking with Christ proclaiming the Gospel to save the souls of all men and women, to live with christ for eternity and sharing it with others is also a charity, Don't you think God will take care of his children when they truly walk with Christ.

Unfortunately there is an adversary who is the king of deceit, it is a deception of false religion and of all confusion. We may as if follow true religion but false religions in the end it will find to its means of the goals of Satan.

Although there are lots of religions true religion is the love among other men as Christ did for us. And to believe and walk with Christ.
That is why I am a christian because without Christ I am not a Good Person and I am a sinner with all kinds of sins.

eh kung kayo lang din ang makakasama ko sa "heaven" solohin mo na lang.haha
why are fundies so eager and greedy for space in heaven?? you can have my space for all i care. smiley

That is why God is calling for you to come and be part of God's family. God made heaven and should all athiest who is prefectly as what they claim to be without sin enter heaven. You cannot enter heaven if you are a sinner.

Are you justifying that athiest are without sin? and can enter heaven? have they prayed to Christ to forgive their sins. Who then forgives their sins? themselves? Do they keep the ten Commandments perfectly in thought and in their Hearts as what Christ did?

Who do you think Christ is talking to in this verse?

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
John 8 : 7

Hitler was a christian... catholic to be exact and had twisted ideals.

Stalin, Kim Jonh Ill and Lenin, Mao are communists in common... since socialism and communism are evil, thus atheism and communism are not the same thing.

As what I have stated there are hyprocites among Christians and a whole lot of them.
If you call Hitler a Christian its like I dunno how to describe this, be a very religious prostitue?

Communism can be considered athiest since they don't allow any forms of religions in their country.

Enough of this ridiculous ideas lets all be true Christians and live a life of Love and Charity. Read the Bible study it. Its not a book only for Catholics.
True Christianity is a religion of Love and of Charity. And it all starts when we seek Jesus Christ and accept his free gift of salvation and you have to pay P10,000 to me to be a Christian. teet. There is no obligation to be a Christian to follow Christ it might require donating to your church but come to think of it how can the church run without funds and its even written in the Bible that we ought to give at least tithes(1/10 of our income) to the church and charity. Its even ok if you don't donate to your church.

And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Matthew 10 : 42

until the next sabbath people.

[Jollibee]

@brown_dog

OH PLEASE!

You better stop before you embarass yourself...

One:
You better stop justifying the existence of GOD with the use of LOGIC - logic is in the realm of science... You want to debate against science witht the use of Logic ? YOULL GET OWNED! ... Its like a boxer wanting to Swordfight a Swordmaster!

Religion and God = chief requirement : FAITH
Science = chief requirement : LOGIC

Two:
No contradictions int the BIBLE... Please! I could probably give a a book that sais 1000+ contradicitons in it. I was a schooled in a christian school since I was in kindergarten...

Note: Also with all that schooling in a christian school made me more loose faith in the BIBLE, GOD AND RELIGION.. why? coz I dont take everything what being spoonfed to me... I question authority and the reasons behind it... Im not against it, but its always up for scrutiny... and all that questioning made me realize - IT DOESNT ADD UP!

THREE:
basically you dont like the idea of man came the idea theory of hydrogen or some theory of monkey... HEY I DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SKY BEING BLUE TOO!... but the sky in realm of logic and science - is still bue huh? too bad the universe dont care what you like..

POLL: Which theory is more stupid?

Evolution: Simple to complex...

Creation: Complex to simple...

If you need more explaining... the more reason you should stop taking... youll embarass yourself more...

FOUR:
Atheist Philantropist? WHAT ARE YOU A HERMIT? I could probably give you gud number names that fit in that category! search the internet... please check your statement before you makem itll make you more look dumb...

OH you didnt know huh? MOTHER THERESA in her last days wrote a in her diaries or letter... HOW SHE LOST FAITH IN GOD AND/OR RELIGION ... Yet she continued her work coz its humane for her... I guess you really are a hermit... dont believe me? search the google... youll find it in any popular video sites...

BILL GATES? scrutinizing Bill Gates of giving 2% of income... again do your research before you open your mouth... I dont know the exact # of that... but its definitely more than that...

he gives an average of 1 Million to charities per day... ya ya... you prolly say, coz hes a got lots of money... BUT THAT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT A MILLION IS STILL A MILLION.. more education, more housing, more help for the less fortunate... tell that your idea to the people who recieved charities from Bill Gates and tell me what they think...

FIVE:

Hitler? Pointing out to HITLER? !!! = So your saying if youre an atheist you automatically become evil... can I say LIMITED THINKING?

atheist philantropist just made your statement defunct...

Ill pair your statement...

How about the millions of deaths, torture and torement caused by the Papacy in the middle ages? Are we just gonna ignore that...

or how about this...

The number of people died in the name of religion will dwarf Hitler's so called genocide...

brown_dog.. tell you what frankly... stop talking... or at least check your statements if it viable... I think you should internalize this qoute from Winston Churchill... im not very fond of this.. but this very well applies to you...

"ITS BETTER TO SAY NOTHING AND BE THOUGH OF A FOOL THAN OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT"

if you can understand that BTW....

[Jollibee]

what a nice Fable...

Its not a fable...

Its called "HISTORY" - you know, those things you can find in big books called "Encyclopedia"...

also... just to point out...

FABLES - are stories with ANIMALS OR INANIMATE OBJECTS in it - to tell convey a moral lesson...

you want a Bedtime story for adults? Iits called "BIBLE"

[Jollibee]

@Brown_dog

AGAIN... and again.. and again..

how many times we have i tell you to ... to stop, stop ... STOP!

Qouting from the Bible....

WHY?

because its not considered a legitimage source in the world standard of facts! It makes all your statement automatically - i mean AUTOMATICALLY loose its "credibility"

this aint your church that we take everything whats in the bible as true hard facts..

UNTIL the day that the body of knowledge consider your bible as True and unquestionable FACT - your bible qoutes mean little or close t zero, nothing, NILL!...