There is no such thing as HEAVEN.

[Sinyalan]

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heaven is on earth and hell too!

I asked one of classmates long time ago in San Carlos U... "where is heaven?" and he pointed his finger, UP. I said, outerspace? that must be the reason why people are inventing space shuttle to reach heaven... since man reached the outerspace, heaven still isn't there... we sent satellites to reach far beyond the moon and other planets... still heaveen is nowhere to be found.

So, my next questions are, where exactly is heaven? and where exactly is hell? Maybe the Sun is Hell and Heaven is the Milky Way? (not the chocolate, btw).

[rcruman]

So, my next questions are, where exactly is heaven? and where exactly is hell? Maybe the Sun is Hell and Heaven is the Milky Way? (not the chocolate, btw).

its located above because:

when Christ was baptized the heavens were opened and a dove(holy spirit) went down.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Matthew 3:16.

and Hell is not here on earth.

Peace!

[barcode 999]

where's above? the earth is not flat you know,
if you say above does it depends on where you are standing? or the earth?
just my curiusity? thanks :mrgreen:

[The_Child]

when Christ was baptized the heavens were opened and a dove(holy spirit) went down.

thats Ancient Hebrew Cosmology. The idea that Heaven is above us is considered because the above is something beyond the reaches of ancient man. Heaven is something high, something beyond, how else could it be symbolize but the Sky?

[Chrysley]

From the self-consciousness to the fear, to the beliefs, to the kingdom of religions.

Some billions of years after the Big bang, the man appears on Earth. With all due respect to many people, the man is only a social animal, endowed with an intelligence and a self-consciousness more advanced than those of his neighbors and co-tenants on Earth.
In the animal kingdom, intelligence is present everywhere but with very different degrees. In the same way, between the first living single cell and the mankind, there is room for multiple ways of self-consciousness. However, the man is no doubt the only one animal who is conscious of the inescapable end of his own existence.

The man knows that he will die and that his days are numbered. This idea seemed unbearable to him. It's one of the rare and intangible certainties of life. The more the man is developing, the more the field of his intelligence is broadening out, the more he is discovering the smallness and the extent of his ignorance. The man is only one wisp of straw in the wind, a grain of sand in the desert, a dust in the Universe.
The difference between his intellectual capacities and what he really is, becomes too important. The man feels afraid, afraid of death, of the naught that succeeds it, of the innumerable questions without answers, of his ignorance, of his doubts...

Quickly, the beliefs seem to the man as the easiest and the most effectual remedies for his fears and his pangs. The features of those wonder solutions is to be based on none real fact, or to be a misinterpretation of the reality. Then it's the kingdom of the irrational, the paranormal, the superstitions, the esotericism, the prejudices, the "ready-think"...
The beliefs appear with very varied aspects, but their common point is to propose mediation with the "hereafter", that is to say, what is out of the life on Earth or in the known universe. The man finds in beliefs an easy comfort in the hope of a next life after death as well as so-called replies to all his questions. Nevertheless, to believe in order to stop thinking of one's death, of one's smallness or of one's ignorance, is merely to stop thinking.
Therefore, the man stops growing.

Gradually the beliefs get organized as civilizations, conquered territories, empires allow. Gods appear. They are supposed to provide to the human pangs an explanation more consistent than an abundance of local beliefs. Another role has been assigned to gods: to justify the chiefs' power. Little by little the religion organizes the gods' power over mankind, which power is closely bound to the political power. The next stage introduces a simplification with a henceforward one and only God. The gods of Olympus die and become a mythology.

The development of mankind is delayed in a lasting way. The religions, that are true insults to the intelligence and true scourges of the self-consciousness, are an obliged passing through in evolution of man, a stage, a required harm, a crisis of the adolescence. Many writers do succeed in proving the deception of the "general public" sects, to show their incoherence, their contradictions and their evils.
In very few countries, the struggle for secularity has allowed to bring back and to contain the religion out of the civil life and the politics. Nevertheless, the power of the religions and their take-over of the consciences remain almost intact. At the same time, other beliefs as the superstitions, the astrology, the esotericism... survive and are sometimes prosperous.

The atheist who strolls in the bookstores may be amazed by the quantity of books that are published by self-righteous supporters of their religion, of their God, of their beliefs. Those supporters take advantage of the readers' disarray to which they apply, to do business with it.
Why not want to light an immense fire to send to oblivion this pernicious and underhand literature? The atheist too is an upholder of secularity. Therefore, he shows respect for the freedom of expression, even if it's an intellectual swindling.

Quickly dismissed, this idea of a large and saving fire changes into a deep nausea. It's nausea seeing so much energy used up in defending a cause that's only wind and fine words. It's nausea seeing so many people who, in good faith, waste their life to pray the naught. It's nausea seeing those millions of people who, every day, humiliate themselves by kneeling down or by prostrating themselves before their idols or their totems. It's nausea thinking about all these wars of religion, past, present or future. It's nausea before all those dead persons in the name of God, that's to say for nothing.
Nearly, the disgusted atheist would exclaim: "God! Please! Appear and say to them that you don't exist and all that they do is useless."

Luckily, the man's intelligence allows the gradual development of the knowledge, to constantly extend the frontiers of science and to drive God to the wall. Unfortunately, it's not enough to kill the beliefs. The man too should think by himself and show critical mind, constantly being on the watch, in order to identify all the ways of underhand maneuver or dullness of mind. Only the lay education for everyone, with sufficient means will allow man to bring his critical mind to maturity and to exercise it fully in all circumstances. One day will come when man will finally become "capital", that's to say adult, and will rank the Gods, the beliefs and the religions in the bottom of the cellar amongst the chest of the mythologies.

Horrified, the believers won't fail to exclaim: "Nobody is able to live without God, without faith!"
To live without God is possible, like millions of atheists in the world do it. To live without faith is possible. Yet, there's a condition and an indispensable prerequisite. To put the religion down in the waste basket is the easiest, but to kill God, it's as little as to kill oneself or more exactly, to renounce the hope of eternity. The atheist finds himself face to face with himself, an ordinary mortal and a grain of dust in the surrounding vastness. The death is waiting for him. He knows it, as he knows there's nothing after. In the same way that one considers a dear departed lost, the atheist has to consider himself or more exactly his immortality lost, and to come to terms with the idea of an ordinary mortal life. It's this mourning, this moment of infinite humbleness that will allow him to develop in the earthly life, the true one, the only one, with the quest for happiness and progress of humanity.

source: http://atheisme.free.fr/Atheisme/Profession_of_non-faith.htm

[milk]

^^ http://atheisme.free.fr/Atheisme/Pro..._non-faith.htm

atleast somebody should give credit to where they copied their opinions/ideas from.



pft. debateng walay kahumanan.

[Chrysley]

^^ Ah yes, sorry about that. I posted it right away but I wasn't done correcting some words. Fixed now.

[vladmire]

i cant say anything about this topic... watch and learn lang ko ninyo..

[Sinyalan]

its located above because:

when Christ was baptized the heavens were opened and a dove(holy spirit) went down.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Where in this verse that points the heavens above? This is just base on your own interpretations. Does not prove otherwise.

Matthew 3:16.

and Hell is not here on earth.

Peace!

Where is hell? somewhere in limbo?

[rcruman]

Where in this verse that points the heavens above? This is just base on your own interpretations. Does not prove otherwise.

Its not my interpretations bro, here it is:

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
James 1:17.

and God the Father is in Heaven.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:9

Where is hell? somewhere in limbo?

LImbo is not written and mentioned in the bible.

Peace!