Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[slabdans]

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Roman Catholic ka bro? sa di pa tika tubagon mangutana sa ko nimo,

how can he be the son of God if he is God himself?

If Jesus is God then nganong mag ampo pman siya? he and the father are one bya, kinsa paman iyang ampo-an nga siya rman diay ang giampoan niya, be tubaga kuno na hahaha... ikaw ra jud answer ani ha way lain kay para imo mani..

nganong mag ampo sya? unsa man iya sulti bro naa syay amahan nga naa sa langit mao nay agig pagtahod niya sa iyang amahan, unsay may iyang gitudl sa mga apstol unsaon pag ampo? mao ni "amahan nga ana-a sa langit pagdaygon ang imon ngalan" so meaning naa syay amahan, unsay may bot pasabot ana bro meaning mas labaw gyud ang amahan kaysa sa anak dba? siguro bro nakatubag nako ikaw nasad base on science ngano man?

[noy]

I think the best way still is to provide them with different insights, without any sort of notion of hell and whatnot, let them think freely on their own, i dont mind telling them stories from the bible, i guess i could pick some, sure why not, but making it seem real is not something i would do...

I wont mind making them believe that the earth was created in matter of Billions of years by some cosmic event...
I wont mind making them believe that our ancestors are ugly hairy freaking homo sapiens..
I wont mind telling them about dinosaurs
I wont mind not making them believe in heaven and hell

I just want for my kids to be rational and intellectually free.. free from guilt of sin but still do good..

thanks for the advice. i agree with you 90% if not 100%..hahaha..
my children have every right to believe what they want, but since i am a Christian parent..
of course when they ask me things about creation, dinos, adam and eve...
honestly i am more inclined to answer from a Christian's perspective..

but like i said earlier, when they reach a certain age or maturity that we can talk the way we do..
then that's the time we get into specifics..after all, that is what i do diri...hahaha

and i think talking to children about Hell is too much...hahaha..i would rather focus on encouraging them to
follow Jesus out of gratitude and gratefulness for what He's done...rather than focusing on the judgement part...

and yes, there's nothing wrong about telling them about evolution and the real age of the universe..
(i think we can both agree that these type of teachings requires a certain level of maturity)
so of course, in time..

[noy]

Roman Catholic ka bro? sa di pa tika tubagon mangutana sa ko nimo,

how can he be the son of God if he is God himself?

If Jesus is God then nganong mag ampo pman siya? he and the father are one bya, kinsa paman iyang ampo-an nga siya rman diay ang giampoan niya, be tubaga kuno na hahaha... ikaw ra jud answer ani ha way lain kay para imo mani..

ganahan unta ko mu answer...Lol special request jud ni Xian?..haha
ok slabdans, the floor is yours...

[noy]

aw naa na diay tubag...Lol

[slabdans]

aw naa na diay tubag...Lol

hehehe ginagmay lang gyud ning ako

[Xian120]

after the flood bai, kay noah's kids were able to bring their wives man..
pero mao lagi...first cousin to first cousin...guro...who knows...if naa man gani incest ato nga time...
sakto...eww jud! hahahaha...but the Law against breeding within the family was not given until the time moses i guess...
so technically, abraham,isaac and jacob were outside the incest Law...

about the death of the children bai,i really couldnt expound in details theologically but my understanding about it..
is that their death are merely a product of their parents disobedience..
and with regard to their innocence, as children we are inclined to what kind of examples our parents lead diba? so most likely kadtong mga bata basin mao2x ra pud to ug style sa ilang ginikanan...

but granted that they were really innocent..
their death is of no difference to the death of many children in our present time caused by people's abuse in nature,power and everything else...like bad things happening to good people..like innocent people getting bombed...

but if after life,heven and hell were real bai, i am sure, if they are really as innocent as how you perceived them to be..
with eternal glory in Heaven, wala najud to silay plano mabalik pa sa atong kalibutan(which other regard as a living hell,though para nako it is a little extreme..hehehe)

let's say they were the pre christianity martyrs..again opinion lamang kining akoa..
'cause i too questioned God exactly the same questions you have now..in the words of bears grill...
this is just my 2 cents..hahahaha...

OT: musta na kaha si bears grill sah?

hehehe, incest is incest wherever whenever.. that only goes to show that some points in the bible are not morally applicable anymore,

hehehe, mao nay ginaingon nga kong unsa ang ginikanan naay posibilidad nga mao sad ang anak, but all people can change nevertheless.. sin for me can never be inherited, may mag utang hahaha,.. like John Locke's Tabula Rasa concept, we are all born without sin, to hell with this original sin that they try to sell us, how can a newborn possibly sin?.. Your right though, that if ever there is heaven all those babies and unbaptized innocent children nga na among intawn will probably go to heaven, oh no wait, naa pman diay limbo, ngadto man diay padong ang mga bata nga wa ma bunyagi hahaha..

OT: ambot, ni log-in man to last week but kadyot ra..

[Xian120]

nganong mag ampo sya? unsa man iya sulti bro naa syay amahan nga naa sa langit mao nay agig pagtahod niya sa iyang amahan, unsay may iyang gitudl sa mga apstol unsaon pag ampo? mao ni "amahan nga ana-a sa langit pagdaygon ang imon ngalan" so meaning naa syay amahan, unsay may bot pasabot ana bro meaning mas labaw gyud ang amahan kaysa sa anak dba? siguro bro nakatubag nako ikaw nasad base on science ngano man?

Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?
"The Father and I are one."

klaro kayo diha o, nya familiar ka anang Trinity? God the Father, God the son, God the holy spirit? One God rna but different persona.. meaning kanang Amahan anak Spirito santo usa rna sila, gets? every Catholic knows that..

Ngano man mag-ampo lagi siya nga siya rman diay gihapon ang amahan, gets?

and how can he be the son of God if he is God himself?

[Xian120]

ganahan unta ko mu answer...Lol special request jud ni Xian?..haha
ok slabdans, the floor is yours...

hehehe i know naa kay maayo nga answer ani, pasagdan lang sa nto si brod @slab, hehehe, kay basin naa siyay nindot nga ika share nga wa pa nto mahibaw-i

[noy]

hehehe, incest is incest wherever whenever.. that only goes to show that some points in the bible are not morally applicable anymore,

hehehe, mao nay ginaingon nga kong unsa ang ginikanan naay posibilidad nga mao sad ang anak, but all people can change nevertheless.. sin for me can never be inherited, may mag utang hahaha,.. like John Locke's Tabula Rasa concept, we are all born without sin, to hell with this original sin that they try to sell us, how can a newborn possibly sin?.. Your right though, that if ever there is heaven all those babies and unbaptized innocent children nga na among intawn will probably go to heaven, oh no wait, naa pman diay limbo, ngadto man diay padong ang mga bata nga wa ma bunyagi hahaha..

OT: ambot, ni log-in man to last week but kadyot ra..

daghang laws sa bible bro nga di na applicable...mostly Jewish,sacramental and civil laws...
like not mixing 2 linens, like land laws in the time of moses, not shaving of beards...etc..daghan jud
regarding incest, well technically it was a necessity to spread the genes...but i couldn;t agree more...eewww..Lol
if adam and eve were the first human beings..for the purpose of speading genes, i think they don't have much of a choice..

well with their level of innocence bai(children) whether limbo or straight to heaven...
for sure mag una pa na cla ug kalangit nato tanan! hahaha...
sorry but i cannot elaborate on original sin, 'cause that is something spiritual...
but technically,sa bible pa, life before sin was perfect, adam and eve need not to work for their needs
God provided everything for them...so diba ang punishment sa Ginoo is that they have to work for survival..plant crops..
or unsa pa na diha...i think that's what has been passed on to us...spiritually still caused by
the original sin..ug opinion lang pud na nako..
i just hope unta nga naay biblwe scholar,with PHD in religion and masters in divinity nga subscribe sa atong forum...hahahaha...
daun atbangan dayun ug ka level nga aetheist...kana...kay ,urag di nata katingog...magbinasa nalang tas ilang mga comment...hahahaha!

[Xian120]

thanks for the advice. i agree with you 90% if not 100%..hahaha..
my children have every right to believe what they want, but since i am a Christian parent..
of course when they ask me things about creation, dinos, adam and eve...
honestly i am more inclined to answer from a Christian's perspective..

but like i said earlier, when they reach a certain age or maturity that we can talk the way we do..
then that's the time we get into specifics..after all, that is what i do diri...hahaha

and i think talking to children about Hell is too much...hahaha..i would rather focus on encouraging them to
follow Jesus out of gratitude and gratefulness for what He's done...rather than focusing on the judgement part...

and yes, there's nothing wrong about telling them about evolution and the real age of the universe..
(i think we can both agree that these type of teachings requires a certain level of maturity)
so of course, in time..

Yes it's true...

inanay ang pagpasabot.. i guess in time ma consume rjud nila ang mga options, and by that time it's up to them to believe what they think is rational..