Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[im_ur_girl1984]

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naa sa tao ang gawa, nasa Diyos ang awa

[MavsMan]

a true christian man pud is someone who perseveres, though molikoy gamay pero ang Ginoo ra man sad nahibalo kung giaccept ba jud niya si Jesus heartily..



carnal christians or someone claim they are Christians pero not seen by their fruits are not Christians in the first place, apil na diri ang mga lukewarm Christians pud, pero gitagaan na sila ug chance sa Ginoo kay patient ang Ginoo man sad nato tanan to repent..

By the way, a sinners prayer is only a part of our salvation. Dili kay kung imu na gi-pray na prayer, langit naka as what Baptist preacher do. Believe nga word is not that simple kay even si Satan believe on Jesus. Believe is doing what he command us to do, and that is to love not the world (I John 2:15, James 4:14). Remember nga strikto sa ang Ginoo (Romans 11:21-22). Kung mulikoy mn gani, repent dayun kay God wants us to be holy. Without holiness no one can see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14. 1 Peter 1:16). Holy means to separate from the world. We must work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12).

actually sa rev 3:5 is obviously using a figure of speech called litotes, using negatives to affirm a positive,

so no true christians will ever be blotted out...i just learned lang ganina

sa later part sa revelations wala mam puy giingon na those blotted out kay malake of fire, instead those who are not written in the first place

so unsa pmn purpose ni Satan nganong tintalon pa man niya ang mga Kristohanon nga dili naman kaha mawala ang salvation. Satan is like a roaring lion, 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Ang g-ignan ni Peter ani kay ang mga Kristuhanon. so why would Peter say that kung di naman kaha ta makuha ug balik sa yawa? Maong dapat magbantay jud ta sige.

If you watch/read sa mga testimonies sa mga near-death experience, katung nka-experience sa Hell.. you will know na OSAS doctrine is a false doctrine. We must strive to live a holy and righteous life pleasing unto God. I myself became a lukewarm Christian because of that doctrine.. akong mindset is "Ok lang kung way reward basta di lang ma-impyerno" maong nagpadayun ko sa sala. 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. You cannot be a Christian drunkard, a Christian fornicator..etc .. don't be deceived. Kadumdum ko mi-ingun among Pastor nga makuha japn sa rapture ang kristuhanon bisag naa sa act of drinking beer, naa sa diskohan kay once Saved always saved lage daw which is totally wrong. The gate is narrow and the OSAS doctrine belongs to the broad road. Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. That is why I leave the Baptist church.

[rics zalved]

i think most of those oppose on OSAS think that everyone who attends the church are given salvation, even siguro ang mga workers and pastors kay given na ang salvation as they think....

pero those who are truly Christians are the ones who has fruits, they are the ones that will persevere, though they are not sinless but sinning less and less, if someone claims nga he is saved pero wala nakita sa iyang kinabuhi, then it is a big question mark if he is saved in the first place...

1 John 1:6-7
New International Version (NIV)

6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[a] sin.

as said pud we must work out our salvation in fear and trembling (Phil 2:12) - ang giingon diha kay work out dili work for, so mura ra gud na ug muscles nga giwork out, meaning giexercise ang salvation, on how to be holy and holier in proportion pud na from being sinning less and less, di na nimo mawork for ang salvation kay only with the grace of God ra na maattain..

about pud sa 2 cor 6:10... mga neither blah blah blah will not inherit the kingdom of God, pero kung padayonon na nimo sa verse 11,
"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God", nacleansed na na sa mga truly saved,

about pud sa purpose ni Satan nga mangdeceived, well ganahan siya mangdeceived sa atoa nga gusto niya patoohon sa atoa nga we are sinners, we do not deserve the grace of God, God will not forgive you, etc. in short, di siya ganahan nga maenjoy nato ang salvation, mao nga gipaalert ta aning mga schemes niya, there is a saying man pud nga "If Satan reminds you of your past, remind him on his future....."

pero it boils down ra jud na s hands of God kung kinsa jud tong giaccept niya as Lord and Savior, kung kinsa jud tong mga dili hypocrites, mao nga i dont want to judge anyone, pero if ever nga naay mga cases nga ang taw unya sige ug simba, memorize ug bible, nagserve sa simbahan, pero in the end kay naghikog, well it is up to God na na kung if he is a Christian in the first place, kay daghan sad baya anang mga ingon ana nga church attendee pero pakitang tao ra diay...mao ni ang mga gipanangtang nga branches sa vine sa John 15, whereas true Christians are pruned...

pero one thing i am sure is this

2 Corinthians 5:17
New International Version (NIV)

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come The old has gone, the new is here!

a true Christian is new a creation, sa Baptists nga side murag kadungog ko ana nga bisan daw palahubog ka malangit gihapon ka, that thing i agree with you nga it is a false theology....

[Tetrad]

a true Christian is new a creation, sa Baptists nga side murag kadungog ko ana nga bisan daw palahubog ka malangit gihapon ka, that thing i agree with you nga it is a false theology....

tingali sa pastor ra to nga panabot brod but not a baptist teaching, kay kung mauhon na wa nay kalainan sa katoliko!

[MavsMan]

i think most of those oppose on OSAS think that everyone who attends the church are given salvation, even siguro ang mga workers and pastors kay given na ang salvation as they think....

pero those who are truly Christians are the ones who has fruits, they are the ones that will persevere, though they are not sinless but sinning less and less, if someone claims nga he is saved pero wala nakita sa iyang kinabuhi, then it is a big question mark if he is saved in the first place...

Speaking sa truly Christians, kaila ka ni Charles Templeton? Siya ang buddy2x ni Billy Graham sa una. Billy Graham and Charles Templeton: A Sad Tale of Two EvangelistsParchment and Pen Blog Many have said Templeton was the one that everyone thought was going to overturn the world with the Gospel. Daghan siya ug fruits, however, Templeton ended up leaving the Christian faith, eventually becoming an atheist. This is one example sa 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; ... Some can depart from the FAITH.

as said pud we must work out our salvation in fear and trembling (Phil 2:12) - ang giingon diha kay work out dili work for, so mura ra gud na ug muscles nga giwork out, meaning giexercise ang salvation, on how to be holy and holier in proportion pud na from being sinning less and less, di na nimo mawork for ang salvation kay only with the grace of God ra na maattain..

Yes, we are saved through grace and dili sa works. Yes sakto ka, this emphasize that we should strive for holiness kay without holiness we cant see the Lord.

about pud sa 2 cor 6:10... mga neither blah blah blah will not inherit the kingdom of God, pero kung padayonon na nimo sa verse 11,
"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God", nacleansed na na sa mga truly saved,

Yes they were washed, but pwede sila mkabalik ana nga binuhatan because of freewill. Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

about pud sa purpose ni Satan nga mangdeceived, well ganahan siya mangdeceived sa atoa nga gusto niya patoohon sa atoa nga we are sinners, we do not deserve the grace of God, God will not forgive you, etc. in short, di siya ganahan nga maenjoy nato ang salvation, mao nga gipaalert ta aning mga schemes niya, there is a saying man pud nga "If Satan reminds you of your past, remind him on his future....."

Kung ako ang yawa, unsa pmn ang point nko nga akoa sila tintalon nga di nmn kaha sila malaglag ug balik.. Try to watch the testimony sa former witchcraft na si Emmanuel Amos, iya gi-sulti nga ilang number 1 target kay ang mga true believers na malaglag sa sala ug dili na mka-repent ug balik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TUW84pZDZY .

pero it boils down ra jud na s hands of God kung kinsa jud tong giaccept niya as Lord and Savior, kung kinsa jud tong mga dili hypocrites, mao nga i dont want to judge anyone, pero if ever nga naay mga cases nga ang taw unya sige ug simba, memorize ug bible, nagserve sa simbahan, pero in the end kay naghikog, well it is up to God na na kung if he is a Christian in the first place, kay daghan sad baya anang mga ingon ana nga church attendee pero pakitang tao ra diay...mao ni ang mga gipanangtang nga branches sa vine sa John 15, whereas true Christians are pruned...

pero one thing i am sure is this



a true Christian is new a creation

Amen! pero we must take heed lest we fall . Like what happen to Charles Templeton. 1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

[Jhared]

Those people who chooses to believe that their souls are saved by faith alone are only looking for an excuse for their laziness..

[Tetrad]

jhared

dili ta makasabot sa logic anang FAITH ALONE brad if we haven't experience the work of the Holy Spirit. This doctrine is addressed to the TRUE BELIEVERS of Jesus Christ in Ephesians 2.

[Jhared]

jhared

dili ta makasabot sa logic anang FAITH ALONE brad if we haven't experience the work of the Holy Spirit. This doctrine is addressed to the TRUE BELIEVERS of Jesus Christ in Ephesians 2.

thanks but.. the "good samaritan" parable is all i need.,

[rics zalved]

about sa sinning deliberately and departing from faith or what we call apostasy.....

Does Hebrews 10:26 mean that a believer can lose salvation?

“For if we are willfully sinning after receiving the full knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice concerning sins.” Hebrews 10:26-29 warns against the sin of apostasy. Apostasy is an intentional falling away or defection. Apostates are those who move toward Christ, right up to the edge of saving belief, who hear and understand the Gospel, and are on the verge of saving faith, but then reject what they have learned and turn away. These are people who are perhaps even aware of their sin and even make a profession of faith. But rather than going on to spiritual maturity, their interest in Christ begins to diminish, the things of the world have more attraction to them rather than less, and eventually they lose all desire for the things of God and they turn away. The Lord illustrated these types of people in the second and third soils of Matthew 13:1-9, 18-23. These are those who “receive with joy” the things of the Lord, but who are drawn away by the cares of the world or turned off by difficulties they encounter because of Christ.

“Willful sinning” in this passage carries the idea of consciously and deliberately rejecting Christ. To know God’s way, to hear it preached, to study it, to count oneself among the faithful, and then to turn away is to become apostate. Sinning willfully carries with it the idea of sinning continually and deliberately. Such a person does not sin because of ignorance, nor is he carried away by momentary temptations he is too weak to resist. The willful sinner sins because of an established way of thinking and acting which he has no desire to give up. The true believer, on the other hand, is one who lapses into sin and loses temporary fellowship with God. But he will eventually come back to God in repentance because his heavenly Father will continually woo and convict him until he can’t stay away any longer. The true apostate will continue to sin, deliberately, willingly and with abandon. John tells us that “No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God” (1 John 3:9).

Apostates have knowledge, but no application of that knowledge. They can be found in the presence of the light of Christ, mostly in the church, among God’s people. Judas Iscariot is the perfect example—he had knowledge but he lacked true faith. No other rejector of the truth had more or better exposure to the love and grace of God than Judas. He was part of Jesus’ inner circle of disciples, eating, sleeping, and traveling with Him for years. He saw the miracles and heard the words of God from Jesus’ very lips, from the best preacher the world has ever known, and yet he not only turned away but was instrumental in the plot to kill Jesus.

Having turned his back on the truth, and with full knowledge choosing to willfully and continually sin, the apostate is then beyond salvation because he has rejected the one true sacrifice for sins: the Lord Jesus Christ. If Christ’s sacrifice is rejected, then all hope of salvation is gone. To turn away willfully from this sacrifice leaves no sacrifice; it leaves only sin, the penalty for which is eternal death. This passage is not speaking of a believer who falls away, but rather someone who may claim to be a believer, but truly is not. Anyone who apostatizes is proving he never had genuine faith to begin with (1 John 2:19).

kabalo naman gud daan si God gud kinsa jud tong true Christians kay sila ang gitagaan ug assurance until the day of Jesus Christ..

“For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” Jn 6:38-40

“I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.” Phil 1:6

[MavsMan]

about sa sinning deliberately and departing from faith or what we call apostasy.....

Does Hebrews 10:26 mean that a believer can lose salvation?



kabalo naman gud daan si God gud kinsa jud tong true Christians kay sila ang gitagaan ug assurance until the day of Jesus Christ..

Those who escaped sin may also fall into sin again.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


Peter denied Jesus and Jesus said if you deny me before men, I will deny you also before my Father which is in heaven Matthew 10:33. So katu na state nga gi-deny ni Peter si Jesus, he lose his salvation. Pero nag-repent si Peter.

Other biblical character example is David, Saul, and Solomon. David and Solomon repented but Saul did not.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.