There is no such thing as HEAVEN.

[shoeless_rebel]

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preaching nowadays carries with it the hidden intention to convert the person's initial belief.. and sad to say, if the listener does not agree with the preacher, he is discounted. true preaching is merely just the sharing of knowledge without the forced intent to believe in such knowledge being shared..
i need not preach if i understand.. preaching
No, preaching is not to convert them but to make them aware and open their eyes with the basis from the bible.
That's what Christ did, He never forced anyone to believed Him.
He want people to follow Him with their own will and choice.

Peace!

with that in mind, does it suffice to say that it's not right to tell anybody that their belief is wrong?

[rcruman]

with that in mind, does it suffice to say that it's not right to tell anybody that their belief is wrong?
You can tell them that its wrong, because we have the same basis "BIBLE".
Its up to them if they accept it or not.
Its up to them to reconsider some things if they faithfully follow the Gospel or Gods word which is in the Bible.

Peace!

[shoeless_rebel]

if you say "it's wrong" outright then you are being judgmental... "if you say it is wrong according to my belief" then you are showing respect and you are not being self-righteous. therefore in my case... i will say that "you are wrong in accordance to my belief" i think that is the right thing and the "good" thing to do.

[rcruman]

if you say "it's wrong" outright then you are being judgmental... "if you say it is wrong according to my belief" then you are showing respect and you are not being self-righteous. therefore in my case... i will say that "you are wrong in accordance to my belief" i think that is the right thing and the "good" thing to do.

Its not judgmental, its written in the bible that:
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24.

Use the bible to judge people who use and believe the bible.
Use the bible to reproach owned doctrine or out of time doctrine.
WIth this statement "you are wrong in accordance to my belief" all of us are correct and righteous in our own understanding and belief.
We should met in the middle in a fair side, which is the bible.

As what Apostle wrote:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
1 Corinthians 9:27.

He is honest, by the Gospel he preached he is subjected to be judged because its not his own words its from God.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

I don't really get these logic... very contradicting!


1. Its up to them if they accept it or not.
--- meaning freewill

2. Yes our faith is our personal choice but let our choice be according to the bible not according to our wants and likes.3
--- our personal choice, but now, we have to make our choice according to the bible? then, there is only one choice!

3. No, preaching is not to convert them but to make them aware and open their eyes with the basis from the bible.
--- preaching is to make them aware because the bible said so? Still conversion to me.

4. Its up to them to reconsider some things if they faithfully follow the Gospel or Gods word which is in the Bible.
--- So, we made our choices, but we have to RECONSIDER things faithfully...? Still a forcible act to me!

[rcruman]

1. Its up to them if they accept it or not.
--- meaning freewill
Free will to accept it or not.
Free will to choose to follow God or Not.

2. Yes our faith is our personal choice but let our choice be according to the bible not according to our wants and likes.3
--- our personal choice, but now, we have to make our choice according to the bible? then, there is only one choice!
Because most of the faith comes from the bible, so its your choice to have a faith not in the bible or faith which is in the bible.

3. No, preaching is not to convert them but to make them aware and open their eyes with the basis from the bible.
--- preaching is to make them aware because the bible said so? Still conversion to me.
Yes, because people use the bible for their personal reason not according to what the Gospel want.

4. Its up to them to reconsider some things if they faithfully follow the Gospel or Gods word which is in the Bible.
--- So, we made our choices, but we have to RECONSIDER things faithfully...? Still a forcible act to me!
Reconsider in a way to assess if their faith is what the Gospel preached not by their pastors owned doctrine and interpretation, it must be within the verses of the bible.

Peace!

[nemmo723]

1. Its up to them if they accept it or not.
--- meaning freewill
Free will to accept it or not.
Free will to choose to follow God or Not.

so who defines which path is to God? some choices related to these are beyond good and evil.. i cannot judge another person just from a limited perspective taking into account ONLY the bible.. or simply JUST any other doctrine of faith for that matter.. for example, having many wives is acceptable in other religions, yet unacceptable to some.. judgement on these grounds need not be condemning, but rather acceptance and understanding that the other is different..
even Jesus did not discount these that do not follow him.. (Luke 9:49)

2. Yes our faith is our personal choice but let our choice be according to the bible not according to our wants and likes.3
--- our personal choice, but now, we have to make our choice according to the bible? then, there is only one choice!
Because most of the faith comes from the bible, so its your choice to have a faith not in the bible or faith which is in the bible.

actually bro, in my experience, faith does not come from the bible. maybe u are talking of doctrines of a religion, this comes from the bible. faith comes into the person, a gift from a divine experience. faith is a gift from God (whoever you conceive god to be).. a gift from the universe..

i dont think that how much a person reads texts from doctrines or bible he will then acquire faith..., he cannot acquire faith until something happens to him, an experience, a witness to something extraordinary that relates to him personally from within..

and we are different persons with different upbringings.. the least i can do is respect and understand the faith of another how he came about to that.. not only will i make a new friend, i will have also enriched my understanding of faith in a wider context..

3. No, preaching is not to convert them but to make them aware and open their eyes with the basis from the bible.
--- preaching is to make them aware because the bible said so? Still conversion to me.
Yes, because people use the bible for their personal reason not according to what the Gospel want.

yes, i agree with this too. a lot of people use the bible for their personal gain, and not according to what the Gospel wants. And unfortunately they hide it in the act of preaching..

4. Its up to them to reconsider some things if they faithfully follow the Gospel or Gods word which is in the Bible.
--- So, we made our choices, but we have to RECONSIDER things faithfully...? Still a forcible act to me!
Reconsider in a way to assess if their faith is what the Gospel preached not by their pastors owned doctrine and interpretation, it must be within the verses of the bible.

the Gospels of Jesus Christ is a good basis for morality. but it must be taken into account with much scrutiny... and it does not discount other basis for morality.. buddhism has its own doctrine for a right way of living, and it too is a good basis of morality. ALL religions strive to define a good way of living.. in my experience, i needed to be careful not to judge the other as wrong just because it didnt came from the same source i have read..

[Generals]

but one topic made us very silent and really quite for a few seconds when the priest said “there is no such thing as heaven” and this news comes straight from vatican that they have to spread the news carefully and discreetly to the members of the church coz this is a very sensitive issue of course this might lead to something unwanted.

Did he gave an explanation? or anything like that?

[rcruman]

actually bro, in my experience, faith does not come from the bible. maybe u are talking of doctrines of a religion, this comes from the bible. faith comes into the person, a gift from a divine experience. faith is a gift from God (whoever you conceive god to be).. a gift from the universe..
I think its clear with my statement:
"Because most of the faith comes from the bible, so its your choice to have a faith not in the bible or faith which is in the bible."

so who defines which path is to God? some choices related to these are beyond good and evil.. i cannot judge another person just from a limited perspective taking into account ONLY the bible.. or simply JUST any other doctrine of faith for that matter.. for example, having many wives is acceptable in other religions, yet unacceptable to some.. judgement on these grounds need not be condemning, but rather acceptance and understanding that the other is different..
even Jesus did not discount these that do not follow him.. (Luke 9:49)
Its only God himself can define the path to Him, by His words which is written in papers and in our heart.

Peace!

[nemmo723]

I think its clear with my statement:
"Because most of the faith comes from the bible, so its your choice to have a faith not in the bible or faith which is in the bible."

Its only God himself can define the path to Him, by His words which is written in papers and in our heart.

if i have misunderstood, then could u please explain further what you mean by most of the faith comes from the bible? misleading man kaayo the way you construct your sentences.. the bible contains accounts of faith by other people. faith per se, cannot be acquired by mere reading of the text, but has to understand also how it would relate to oneself. the catalyst of faith is experience.. life is the catalyst of faith.