RELIGION....(part 2)

[naomi6000]

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religion is like food....its or choice..

[whiteoleander]

religion is like food....its or choice..

exactly , it is our choice ! it's purpose is to nourish your body , but there are food that harms your body as well .Â*
using the food analogy , there is good food and bad food. it's my choice to eat junk foods the whole day. but let's say , to somebody who doesnt know which is harmful to the body they can eat what they want , and you can't blame them , ' they did't know it was bad anyway' ... but to those who have been told ? what about them ?
who says which foodÂ* is bad ? the doctors , our parents, teachers ? see, there is still somebody that tells us which food is bad or good , which one to eat or not to eat . then again u have the choice , but from this line of thought we can see that you can either choose good food or bad food but it is already a given that there is good and bad food.

[tingkagol]

Who exactly is to say what source is credible or not? none. nada... except one's Faith.

...still.

[Cardinal Bunal]

White Oleander,

Yes you are correct NOT necessarily a household but it is essentially a community. That's why the apostles called it the "holy catholic church". I don't know if you believe in the same way but I believe that we are part of the church in the person of the apostles and the prophets, with Christ himself holding it firm as the chief cornerstone 1 if we believe in the message of the apostles and the prophets which is compiled into what is now called The Bible. No one who is mature in the faith has the right to disown anyone who is baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. And no one can claim sole proprietorship to the Holy Spirit, because He is their Lord and ours.

God doesn't leave us in darkness on how to live righteously. Even before the Bible was compiled Paul said his epistles contained enough or just enough information for the people in the churches to be saved. 2 and Isaiah affirms that the Book of the Lord is complete, and NOTHING is lacking in it. 3By 170 A.D., there was already decisiveness as to what was inspired and what wasn't because of God's divine providence.


1. Eph. 2: 19 - 22
2. 1 Cor. 15: 2
3. Isaiah 34: 16 (NAB: New Catholic Translation)

The Authority of Peter

Peter had the most active ministryÂ* (Acts 2) with the "keys of heaven" (The Good News) he won the hearts of many Jews, gentiles and unbelievers to Christ. Jesus does not have to change our name just as he did Peter, but we are also called to change out former self (Eph 4: 22-24), to a renewed mind (Rom 12:1, 2). And we are also the rocks or "Living Stones" coming to Christ The Living Stone - rejected by men but is in fact the Cornerstone. (1 Pet. 2: 4, 5) and The Rock (1 Cor. 10: 4), our spiritual foundation. No one can lay another foundation other than the one that has already been laid, (1 Cor. 3: 11) Peter did NOT unloose his authority, unlike Judas who from Luke we learn was replaced not of his death, but of his wickedness, (Acts 1: 15 - 26) Peter addressed to him a curse for wicked men May another take his office. (Ps. 109: 8 ) Peter was not accursed, and his authority now is no less than it was then it cannot be removed or replaced.

And indeed Peter, like many of God's servant suffered a violent death and had himself crucified upside-down because he felt "unworthy of being crucified in the same manner as the Lord." Only John escaped a violent death.

But today, the apostles continue to wield authority over the universal church of God through the pages of the Bible, God's Word is the standard on whom we should judge, 1because judging by human standards 2 is most unreliable and by that we are prone to deception and rampant heresy.

1. Jn 8: 15, 2 Tim. 3: 16
2. Jn 8: 13, 1 Cor. 3: 19

[naomi6000]

if they eat bad food or good food..wala nakay mahimo..dli mana sila bogo..each person ny idea onsay bati na food ug unsay nindot na food..
..they r many reasons y people eat bad or good food..ila nana choice..naa sila reason ana..i knw kibaw sila even padayon gihapon..who r u
to make then eat wat u like..who r u to tel them that is the ryt food to eat...ur stil fat..u urself need alot of exercise..u r not an exercise guru
to tel as wat is the ryt food...go to abellna...u see dfrent kinds of people doing dfrent kinds of exercise..u can say some is doing the wrong way
of strtching some did the ryt way..but the main point ther is that they stil loos wyt..they are stil happy wat they feel, they are stil happy of the outcom of wat they blive...u can do alot or do dfrent exercise as long as at the end ur happy and that makes life easy..

[shoeless_rebel]

from ur statement, you are still clearly an agnostic though u claim to be " used to be agnostic"

but that's ok , its good to hear from the likes of you too ...

peace .

ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

i mentioned that "now i believe in an omni-potent being" which if we base on the definition makes me a non-agnostic. FYI

i believe in god but i don't believe in the church as an establishment and as a system. and i don't believe in the christian tradition of obsolete rituals and obvious hypocrisy.

[seth_kahn]

i believe in god but i don't believe in the church as an establishment and as a system. and i don't believe in the christian tradition of obsolete rituals and obvious hypocrisy.

You mean you don't believe in the church's teachings? or to make it clear, the Roman Catholic Church's Catechism?
or to any other churches' ?
Because whether St. Peter's Basilica exists or not, the church still exists. As the church refers to those People of God
who share the same belief in Christ and are in communion with Him whatever religion they may be associated with.
Probably, you belong to the same Church.

[Von!-x]

Happy New Year!

May God bless all of you posters here on this thread, regardless of your views!

To those who are zealous to spread the good news, continue to do so!
To those who are zealous to defend the Catholic church and its teachings, may the Lord continue to guide you to His truth.
To those who are seeking, may you find the Lord Jesus and come to a saving faith to Him.
To those who are backsliding, may you remember your first love with Him!
To those who are not seeking at all, may you bump into Him!
To those who don't care at all, Jesus still cares for you!

[tingkagol]

Because whether St. Peter's Basilica exists or not, the church still exists. As the church refers to those People of God
who share the same belief in Christ and are in communion with Him whatever religion they may be associated with.
Probably, you belong to the same Church.

What if a person does not believe in Jesus but believes in a God?

[seth_kahn]

What if a person does not believe in Jesus but believes in a God?

Yes..like the Moslems, right? I think they don't believe in Jesus as God but as Prophet...
Well, All I can say is that they don't belong to this Church...probably to some other Church which
they think is the right church for them..and we respect them...