MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

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@tolstoi ... Drafting a law out of convenience is by no means a solution to anything. A law that violates due process is not a law that will ever bear fruit. It might serve as a warning, an ultimatum, maybe even as a temporary solution ... but the constitution does not serve to make statements with action no matter how "evident" it might be.

@uzumaki ... I understand people will feel differently when they've had first hand experience. But that is all irrelevant to the FACT that the LAW must be followed above all else. There cannot be any exceptions. You say we should remind these criminals that we are a sovereign people ... how should that be done? By taking their rights as a citizen of the country? Should we show these criminals that we are sovereign(self-governing, independent) by breaking the very laws that we create? They may be criminals ... but they have rights just like you and I.

The whole argument in favor of these death squads seem to hinge on human judgement that these men in these squads be able to judge between good and bad, that they are endowed with "common sense", that they be able to realize when things are "evident". Do we have to be reminded by history time and time again how men with all the credentials in the world can possess poor judgement? The justice system was made in-part to avoid this. Argue all you want, but until there are men that exist, who cannot be corrupted by power and by themselves ... a self serving death squad is the WRONG solution to a BIG problem.

[MelodyMan]

"a self serving death squad is the WRONG solution to a BIG problem."

But it works in Davao.
I think Mayor Fred Lim has his own version in Manila. That was during his term.
Sayang lang nang kaisug ni Tomas kung wala siyay iya. It's time.

If we really think about it and use a heart, you are right vern. But I think a man-made law has so many holes.[gaping judicial flaws] And I think that sometime an alternative solution is needed. Again, temporary lang...Einstein was right about human stupidity.

Have you been to Mindanao? Do you know why many have joined the NPA?
It's not really about poverty. It's about injustice. Naa man police, naa man trial courts but most of the time dili jud ma execute ang law. It's reli true that the LAW is 'mostly' para sa mayayaman. Also, law school is mostly para sa mayayaman!
Kung naa man gani mo tabang nga lawyer sa poor patyon sad dayon. Sample, Ecleo's case. Very obvious!
Maka afford ba gud ang pobre ug acceptance fee nga 100,000.00 for lawyers? Usually, depende sa case.


Ang naka pait, sometimes ang mga law makers pa ang law breakers. Just look at our senate or sa Malacanang. You can smell shit if you go to there.

[FK]

I know sayop jud ni... pero maka ingon sab ta nga sige na lang kay mga criminal bitaw toh, pareho sa pagkahawa ni ERAP.

I think naa jud dapat usbon sa balaod... dayon implement og sakto with the help of the people. tan-aw nako mao jud onta ni ang sakto... pero sa pagka karon nga inutil pa ang mga police, mantinir na lang sa ta ani nila...

Sometimes the right thing to do is not the right thing to do

[:: UnKnOwN ::]

assenting on the initiative of these hunters is definitely one classic display of man's impulsiveness! it may purport to be a feasible solution for the moment, but are the people behind this think of what complications might it cause in the long run? in a way, these merciless killings of crooks is an indirect manifestation of a soceity's desperate move just to achieve peace and order.

Violence for violence? what profit would it take huh? there's always a positive way of addressing problems like this, though it may be long and streneous, gezz we filipinos just love to take the short-cut of almost everything. to think that we regarded our country as a christian nation.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Mao na ang commonsense diha !!! What profit ?? Tan-awa unsay na profit sa kaso nila ERAP , ECLEO , NIDA BLANCA , ug uban pa ..... unsa pa kaha ang ULTIMO ra na mga tulisan ug robbers na di man gani matay-og ang DAGKO mao sa gagmay ka mo sugod . Ako naa koi commonsense mao mo suporta ko ana . Wa sad ko mo ingon ha na ang wa ni suporta walay commonsense kay basin ma ban unya ko diri bwehehehe ....

[MelodyMan]

>there's always a positive way of addressing problems like this

u can wait for a thousand years...(in PH)

my family is a victim of corrupt justice system. nigawas nalng ko sa kalibutan but ang case sa killing of my grandpa since 1969 wala pa jud ma solve. it's all about some hectares of land. and then obvious na biya kaau kung kinsa ang kontra - just ang kontra sa business. but that guy is a Marcos crony. Nobody dares to fight with a Marcos crony until now.

I just hope nga maka experience lagi mo...

> to think that we regarded our country as a christian nation.

mao nay naka bahug tae diha! hehehe...sori for that...mag lagot sad biya ko mag huna2x nga proud kaau ta to be christians pero 2nd ta sa prostitution in asia? don't know if it's true that second ta sa Thailand...

christians lagi ta but we're not acting like christians.

>positive way of addressing problems like this

gud ra cguro na for countries nga dili pareha ug thinking sa pinoys...we reli don't have much good leaders...

of course, i feel sori sa family anang gi pang patay sa death squad. pero i'm sure ang victims sa mga criminals kay hapi to d max!

[vlad]

i like them very much! woow!

[bengerboy]

ok baya ni pero ni abusarlang ang uban.
like sa walay labot nadamay...

kinahanglan bitaw ni sa ato karon tungod samga nahitabo,
just like me i was hold-up last January 5, 2005.
pero dapat unta mga authorize lang nga mga tao ang mo patay dli kay mga pariha rasad nila ug hasang nga patyonon sad....
ang uban kay nag lagot lang mao ipasangil dayon nga snatcher to wanted or bisag unsa na ang rason kay plano naman to nga patyon...

[ethan hunt]

Pre-empt crimes before they happen.

Well there's this passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you." I been sayin' that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never gave much thought what it meant. I just thought it was some cold-blooded shit to say to a mother****er before I popped a cap in his ass. I saw some shit this mornin' made me think twice. See now I'm thinkin', maybe it means you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 9 Milimeter here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. Now I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd.


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[arnoldsa]

Sunstar Daily January 15, 2004 Issue:

[size=18px]TOM TO COPS -- KILL RAPISTS[/size]


Ahoy Mr. Mayor!!!