Is Evolutionist Science worth believing?

[Sinyalan]

@ ho chia

Tell you what, do yourself a favor (as I have told you this before), research everything that pertains to evolution because you obviously your brain is stagnant from believing the same issues since your bible had been written. You will never improve from that line of thinking. FWIW. you could somehow understand what you are talking about. Besides, you will not learn from myself or anyone here to everything we gave to you - there is no point on giving more of my side. Go on, read everything about evolution and tell me if it requires faith and religion.

[Sinyalan]

One more thing ho chia... since you believe in creationism, could you show all the information within the bible that discusses how your human body is? I mean, how your muscles work, your brain, your blood, your sweat glands and everything in it because Science explained that and it is a FACT. If you can find a complete chapter in the bible that tells about human anatomy... then you win. If not, you have to stop your yap about evolution is not science and evolution is religion and requires faith. Agreed?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Are you saying I'm lying? That I'm somehow "imagining" all these things? No sir, I happen to be a person who reads and understands what he reads...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

Are you saying the muon experiments have all been falsified and there's a grand conspiracy by all physicists in the world to lie about time dilation? If you can explain to me that Ives and Stilwell's equations...

and = and



...are dead wrong, then perhaps I'll believe in you.

Shakes head

I have not mentioned anything about time travel. You are the one who mentioned about travelling to the past, which is impossible. Time dilation makes no mention about such things--it is just what it is and you're not supposed to derive a conclusion about travelling to the past when faced with it, unless you are not knowledgeable about the subject matter.

And yes, evolution takes millions of years to occur. I don't know why you can't seem to comprehend that? You want things to be observable only in your lifetime? You think your life is thatsignificant? Do you know how big the earth is compared to the radius of the galaxy, or even just the solar system? Your incapability to accept the fact that evolution cannot happen in one's lifetime is very reductionist--you want things to happen within the span of your life, as if you are some big and significant organism, which like myself, you are not.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BBsOeLcUARw

Evolution is a science. Nothing that you have ever said in this thread, nor in these forums will change this fact, and I'm very confident about it.

-RODION

I think you edited a lot of other things which I pointed out. cosmic evolution has nothing to do with your time dilation space shuttle. you see rodsky, if you happen to read, it is not exclusive to you, A lot of other people do read too.

The point is. evolution breaks and defy a lot of laws of physics, science and mathematics, some of which I already have mentioned. but you don't see it!

and as such you end up editing what i wrote and answer only in the topic of time dilation space ship.which for your sake is not evidence of evolution at all. all you're telling me is how you can reduce time travel while time on earth is moving fast your time travel retain a much lesser ticking by the minute!

Imagine --- 52 years of travelling in the speed of light and it will be 5 millions years already on earth. do you understand what you are talking about?

you show me formula and i bet you can't even use and comprehend. why won't you create a problem use your formula in solving a problem, any mathematics student will get that! please do.......... Give a concrete example on how you will be able to apply time dilation in a small scale and in a big scale as well.

all i ask is for to you explain, how matter came about, how space came about, how energy came about in the most scientific way there is. and the evolution of chemical elements from the periodic table, ill give hydrogen and helium free sort of a bonus for evolutionist that it resulted from a big bang, but please do explain how the other elements came to be. that's all!

Give me your best scientific proof of evolution! your BEST example please, that is explained by science with scientific proof.

you are free to believe what you want, be it evolution or whatever, but you can not hide in the name of science in support to your evolution theory because all you have is faith about evolution and not scientific facts!

[rodsky]

I think you edited a lot of other things which I pointed out. cosmic evolution has nothing to do with your time dilation space shuttle. you see rodsky, if you happen to read, it is not exclusive to you, A lot of other people do read too.

The point is. evolution breaks and defy a lot of laws of physics, science and mathematics, some of which I already have mentioned. but you don't see it!

and as such you end up editing what i wrote and answer only in the topic of time dilation space ship.which for your sake is not evidence of evolution at all. all you're telling me is how you can reduce time travel while time on earth is moving fast your time travel retain a much lesser ticking by the minute!

Imagine --- 52 years of travelling in the speed of light and it will be 5 millions years already on earth. do you understand what you are talking about?

you show me formula and i bet you can't even use and comprehend. why won't you create a problem use your formula in solving a problem, any mathematics student will get that! please do.......... Give a concrete example on how you will be able to apply time dilation in a small scale and in a big scale as well.

all i ask is for to you explain, how matter came about, how space came about, how energy came about in the most scientific way there is. and the evolution of chemical elements from the periodic table, ill give hydrogen and helium free sort of a bonus for evolutionist that it resulted from a big bang, but please do explain how the other elements came to be. that's all!

Give me your best scientific proof of evolution! your BEST example please, that is explained by science with scientific proof.

you are free to believe what you want, be it evolution or whatever, but you can not hide in the name of science in support to your evolution theory because all you have is faith about evolution and not scientific facts!

I don't have faith in Evolution. My logical faculties tell me it is sound and correct. Apparently your logical faculties aren't working properly. To that, I surrender. Period.

BTW keep on veering away from my questions and leaving them unanswered. Yes, that's the way to collect supporters for your lost cause. Bravo sir, gallant effort indeed.

Again, I ask, am I lying about time dilation? Answer yes or no.

-RODION

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Evolution is not religion. It does not require faith. It requires reason.

Alel

really alel. do i just hear you saying trust me? its not faith it's all reason?

why won't you start proving evolution with scientific reasons. I wish to be more scientific here than to argue whom to believe your words that say you have reason or mine that say you don't have it at all!

I am sure you are familiar with scientific methods and law of science, physics, etc. use it and prove your evolution! otherwise, i suggest you read more about it and test it with scientific evidence.

[rodsky]

really alel. do i just hear you saying trust me? its not faith it's all reason?

why won't you start proving evolution with scientific reasons. I wish to be more scientific here than to argue whom to believe your words that say you have reason or mine that say you don't have it at all!

I am sure you are familiar with scientific methods and law of science, physics, etc. use it and prove your evolution! otherwise, i suggest you read more about it and test it with scientific evidence.

You seem to think science is "all proof and nothing but proof". To me, that is very simplistic and narrow-minded.

-RODION

[Mr.Ho_chia]

I don't have faith in Evolution. My logical faculties tell me it is sound and correct. Apparently your logical faculties aren't working properly. To that, I surrender. Period.

BTW keep on veering away from my questions and leaving them unanswered. Yes, that's the way to collect supporters for your lost cause. Bravo sir, gallant effort indeed.

Again, I ask, am I lying about time dilation? Answer yes or no.

-RODION

and this is your best evidence for evolution? your sound logic? you can't even prove how elements in the periodic table evolve. you don't even know scientifically on how matter, space, energy came to be. and you want me to answer you with time dilation space shuttle ship that allows you to travel so fast that your time is delayed from the time of the real world?

use your formula, apply it and i will tell you my answer. and please don't forget to use your LOGICAL thinking scientifically in proving cosmic and chemical evolution. otherwise your logical thinking is nothing but an illogical thinking after all.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

You seem to think science is "all proof and nothing but proof". To me, that is very simplistic and narrow-minded.

-RODION

this is not about you and what you think right?

you see as I have said in science you do postulate a theory, and you do experiments to prove that theory, science does not rely on what people thinks and in this case what you think.

if your postulated theory is proven and can be observe and can be repeated, that is empirical science. a fact. but if a theory is not proven, what do we with that theory? we throw it away!

because if we will follow what you suggest to be broad minded and allow unproven science to be use as basis of facts, this will no longer be science but religion! based on hope and faith that it is right, which in real essence is what EVOLUTION is all about. not proven by science but proven by hope and faith. therefore a religion in a most deceitful manner!

[rodsky]

and this is your best evidence for evolution? your sound logic? you can't even prove how elements in the periodic table evolve. you don't even know scientifically on how matter, space, energy came to be. and you want me to answer you with time dilation space shuttle ship that allows you to travel so fast that your time is delayed from the time of the real world?

use your formula, apply it and i will tell you my answer. and please don't forget to use your LOGICAL thinking scientifically in proving cosmic and chemical evolution. otherwise your logical thinking is nothing but an illogical thinking after all.

In this world, we have people who are good at certain things. They were born with a certain natural capacity to be better at analysis and calculation. Imagine, if everyone of us (and this includes me, sir) were endowed with that ability, even the guy who sells cigarettes on the street, then we won't be having this conversation. The fact is, the reality of things is that only a handful of people have this capacity. So do not force me into a corner--you seem to want to show everyone that see? Evolution is only faith because Rodion here cannot prove that it is right! Is that what you're trying to arrive at mister? You want to use anyone's lack of expertise in physics, chemistry, molecular biology, and genetics, to prove that we are all just being deluded by science. How lame can you get mister?

-RODION

[rdyteves]

hahaha the oldest scientific debate!!!


for me i believe in the evolution theory... yes it is still a theory but it is the it's the closest thing to a clearer expalnation of how life began or evolved for that matter.

comparing this to the adam and eve story where a superior being magically created man and made another one by pulling some out of him and a giant snake in an apple tree and they all lived happily together.


hmmmmm this is a tough question though... not that i don't believe in the existence of God...


as my great prof. Cleope of silliman university said "don't explain what is divine into human sense"