Did the Great Flood during the time of Noah really happen?

[rcruman]

If only 8people were in the ark, unsa man ila language? common ba sila ug language?
naay negro nila? naay negrito nila? naay brown? naay puti? naay singkit ug mata? naay lingin ug mata?
from adam and eve....ni multiply ta!
then there was the great deluge, thereby reducing the worlds population to only 8 people.
from the 8 people....
several races evolved?
thousands of culture and civilization evolved?
so they practiced swinging(swapping of sexual partners)?
they practiced *** orgies?

They have only one language:
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. Genesis 11:1.

They scattered when God:
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Genesis 11:5-9.

The color of Skin and people appearance depends on the country they lived in, but take all their skin and you can see we are all the same.

It's not prohibited to marry your relatives before, it was just prohibited in the time of Moses or Israelites and until now.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

They have only one language:
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. Genesis 11:1.


... don't you even bother getting the idea why there are millions of languages all over the world? Do you even know what language he was referring to and what speecha was that? Try to talk brod if you have the same language as noah before... basin kalimut ka nga bisaya ka... not hebrew, greek, chinese, japanese or english.

They scattered when God:
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Genesis 11:5-9.

... take a closer look the one that marked in bold letters... try to IMAGINE that!

The color of Skin and people appearance depends on the country they lived in, but take all their skin and you can see we are all the same.

meaning to say, the great flood never happened! period. I think it means that in the eyes of god we're all the same but that doesn't mean we have one source...

It's not prohibited to marry your relatives before, it was just prohibited in the time of Moses or Israelites and until now.

.... we are still breaking the law! With your argument before that tracing genes will lead us to one person (eve)... where's the logic here?

[leo_trams]

what happened first, the great flood or the tower of babel?

OT: what was the height of the tower of babel? if it was several times higher than the pyramids of egypt, its base should be much more bigger than the base of egypts pyramids? and where is the location of this tower? it disappearred without a trace?

The color of Skin and people appearance depends on the country they lived in, but take all their skin and you can see we are all the same.

What was the original color of Noah's family skin? so when they went their separate ways their color transformed? from white to brown to black? or from black to brown to white? what about the yellow toned skins?

naa ka dinha family tree ni Noah? ig-agaw diay tingali ta, or uyu-an tika or lolo tika...hehehe...dili na ta ani puede mo jerjer ug amerikana kay paryente diay nato ni sila.

It's not prohibited to marry your relatives before, it was just prohibited in the time of Moses or Israelites and until now.

what was the reason why it was prohibited? who prohibited it?

[rcruman]

... don't you even bother getting the idea why there are millions of languages all over the world? Do you even know what language he was referring to and what speecha was that? Try to talk brod if you have the same language as noah before... basin kalimut ka nga bisaya ka... not hebrew, greek, chinese, japanese or english.
Why not read the entire chapter 11:
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Before there has only one language but people don't want to scatter on the face of the earth as what God wants, so God confound their language and not to understand each other and to scatter to the face of the earth because they can't understand each other. get it.

.... we are still breaking the law! With your argument before that tracing genes will lead us to one person (eve)... where's the logic here?
You can't find it in your head or mind.

what was the reason why it was prohibited? who prohibited it?
It's been prohibited by GOd:
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.
9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.
18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.
19 And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, nor of thy father's sister: for he uncovereth his near kin: they shall bear their iniquity.
20 And if a man shall lie with his uncle's wife, he hath uncovered his uncle's nakedness: they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless.
21 And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
24 But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.
25 Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean.
26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:1-27.
The commandments of God must be followed:
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deuteronomy 12:32.

what happened first, the great flood or the tower of babel?
The Great Flood happened first.

naa ka dinha family tree ni Noah? ig-agaw diay tingali ta, or uyu-an tika or lolo tika...hehehe...dili na ta ani puede mo jerjer ug amerikana kay paryente diay nato ni sila.
Sa dihang gibawal ang pag-asawa sa kapamilya kay daghan na ang tawo.
Ang giingong pamilya kay igsoon og anak sa imo papa og mama.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

Before there has only one language but people don't want to scatter on the face of the earth as what God wants, so God confound their language and not to understand each other and to scatter to the face of the earth because they can't understand each other. get it.

Tell me brod, what is the title of this thread? Great Flood... as per your understanding, you believe that it happened and that humans were wiped out because it HAPPENED on earth... right? From your standpoint, all races were dead... so, one language surfaced... what language was that? HEBREW? not even the bible can attest this that the language they were using was hebrew, greek or maybe alien language. Since you wrote two things in this statement, after the flood, a new language came out and God separated them because they don't understand each other anymore? There I thought the people in Noah's ark were his chosen trusted members of his family and friends - and then all of a sudden language barrier? I don't get you! You're confusing.

[Sinyalan]

The commandments of God must be followed... okay, this is Old Testament, which do you follow and believe, Old Testament or New Testament? Because new testament said that the law was changed. There was 10 commandments (old) and eight beatitudes (new) of jesus - which is which? - who do you follow?

[rcruman]

Tell me brod, what is the title of this thread? Great Flood... as per your understanding, you believe that it happened and that humans were wiped out because it HAPPENED on earth... right? From your standpoint, all races were dead... so, one language surfaced... what language was that? HEBREW? not even the bible can attest this that the language they were using was hebrew, greek or maybe alien language. Since you wrote two things in this statement, after the flood, a new language came out and God separated them because they don't understand each other anymore? There I thought the people in Noah's ark were his chosen trusted members of his family and friends - and then all of a sudden language barrier? I don't get you! You're confusing.

You're wrong bro, did I say a new language came out?
read this chapter: http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C011.htm
on verse 7 says:

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

7 Umari kamo, manganaug kita, ug lahugayon nato ang ilang mga sinultihan, aron sila dili na makasabut sa sinultihan sa usa ug usa.

7 Halikayo! tayo’y bumaba at diyan din ay ating guluhin ang kanilang wika, na anopa’t sila’y huwag magkatalastasan sa kanilang salita.


God just confound , lahugayon, or guluhin.
God didn't make a new one as you claim and understand.

Mao bitaw gi lahug ang mga istorya aron magbuwag-buwag sila kay dili na magkasinabot.
Murag UN conference, kung walay interpreter og dili kasabot og English magkasinabut kaha sila?

You don't get me or you don't want to get?
I'm confusing or your the one who's confused?
Remove first your own understanding so that the understanding of the bible will be fit.

The commandments of God must be followed... okay, this is Old Testament, which do you follow and believe, Old Testament or New Testament? Because new testament said that the law was changed. There was 10 commandments (old) and eight beatitudes (new) of jesus - which is which? - who do you follow?
Yes it must, but its not 10 commandments anymore.
The law of God was written in the Bible, if its not being revised or a new one has been introduced so it must be follow. Its been called OLD testament only when its been revised.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13.

The Gospel was the Revision of previous law, laws has not been revised in the Gospel still active.

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Acts 13:39.


Peace!

[Sinyalan]

Yes it must, but its not 10 commandments anymore.
The law of God was written in the Bible, if its not being revised or a new one has been introduced so it must be follow. Its been called OLD testament only when its been revised.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13.

The Gospel was the Revision of previous law, laws has not been revised in the Gospel still active.

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Acts 13:39.

If I may recall, who is that person who vehemently told us that GOD DOES NOT CHANGE I don't know about this person but sounds he doesn't read the BOOK properly. Oh, someone is lying....

Its been called OLD testament only when its been revised.

Forgive me folks... but too laugh at this statement

[istp1980]

Ally ko ni rcruman, centepede, ug tulisan666 ... luoy kaayo sila gamay ra ang ally.
Pero crush nako si Isabella Rain gyud ... maayo kaayo mo defend ug argument as in
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... as in maka-open ta pirmi ug Tab sa Firefox para mo google sa word (",) ...
mauwaw nalang ta mag-enlish sad.

:: Back To The Topic ::
Only 3 #possibilites are proposed
+ supports the #possibility
- doest support the #possibility
The links I give though will usually only support that the Great Flood happened worldwide.

Havent had time to check the other issues. Will try to do so after ...

# The Great Flood happened

+ Ancient Texts and Stories like the "Epic of Gilgamesh" support it as said by tulisan666
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/GILG.HTM
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/bl.../ax/frame.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(mythology)

First Link shows the the Epic of Gilgamesh which is the most famous ancient
literature aside from the Bible which hints about Noah, his ark, and the flood.
The second link is from national geographic that talks about other countries
like america having stories about a great flood that destroyed everything but
a lucky few. The third is to wikipedia where you can scroll down to the Far East
section and see that China(since they were raised a few times) does have
literature supporting the Great Flood.

# The Great Flood never happened

+ Egyptian Pyramids
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home.../2006/0630.asp
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2_4.htm

First link talks about the possibility of errors in the world timeline
that maybe the pyramids were built after the great flood. Second Link
describes the presence of salt in the base of the pyramids consistent
with salt in sea water also "shells" (",).

+ Noahs Ark cannot be found

No proof the ark existed ?

+ H20

Where did the water go?

# The Great Flood happened but Only in that area

+ Different Races and Languages

Most persistent argument by Sinyalan and leo_trams Ive read so far that
states why the Great Flood could have not happened. Regarding Language
... as stated by rcruman your timeline is wrong Flood happened before
Babel so the Bible actually isnt at conflict with the idea of different
Languages. Regarding Race colors ... negros as always raised ...
Scientifically, I really dont know if that amount of time is enough for
such a diverse color/race to grow out. If one can find links giving more
info on this then please do so.

- Water should Level Out.

Again as rcruman points out, you cant have a flood that covers the whole
of Mt. Ararat and then not cover the other continents. Im not sure though
if Mt. Ararat is high enough to cover the much of the land mass of europe.
Again will check this later ...

posted : 2/19/2007 10:25am

[Sinyalan]

Very good observation istp1980. I was hoping that this would turn out to be a productive argument rather than going circles in one coverage. As our dear friend here, always argued that "the world has been flooded..." and that, it changed race, language in due time when they spread out accross the globe. The earth is too large to cover for the great flood although 71% of earth is water but doesn't cover the ebtire argument that great flood happened. (lease see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth).

If the person is as open minded as anyone here, this shouldn't come to heated argument that earth was covered with water. There are highest and lowest peak (mountains) and they have not shown any signs of scientific discoveries that the water reached to that surface. If one has to read one book, of course, the ability of that mind revolves in that understanding. What makes a man to be a good obervant than reading just one? So many times that the all churches is trying to prove that the Flood ever happened but all of these scientists arrived with the same conclusions, THEORIES! nothing more, nothing less.