FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[i_a_m_d_e_d_e]

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naa man jud ni something sa pang huna2 sa mga catholics ba.. especially the religious catholic fanatics..

[irangejuice]

@mannyamador: Even after typing in your username earlier, I only noticed it now. Sir Manny? Is that you? It's me zerone (eric ouano) an old student from your Linux Class anyway..back to the topic

We're ALL sinners. I think you mean something else.

Yeah I think I meant something like, an enemy, or something to that effect.

Oh and thanks for the links. Interesting reads.

Respect for other religions consists in respecting the PERSONS in those religions and their right to believe in what they believe. Respect is NOT the same as affirming that what they believe is true. That would be silly and self-contradictory. Different religions make conflicting claims. They cannot all be true.

Respecting the right to believe in what they believe but not affirming that what they believe is true. I still don't understand what makes the Freemasons an attacker of the Catholic Church. If the church views them as a religion then they are subject to the same respect that is given others who have the right to believe in what they believe.

If they believe that all acts of theism are equally pleasing to God then don't they have the right to believe that as well?

The only attack, i might consider coming from them is if they were to force their way into acceptance as a Christian follower while considering true the idea that Christ was human, a great religious leader but no God.

Or was that your point the whole time, sir?

I might have to re-read some of the stuff i typed in just now.. half of it i forgot already.. so sleepy. Anyway, it's nice seeing you here in iStorya sir.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ MANNY AMADOR .... since you like to argue a lot of what you believed in not knowing how accurate or true it is but as long as it PLEASES you and FAVORS you .... thru your pasted links and articles , I suggest you also click and read what I pasted because if you havent noticed it yet , that LINK is for you MANNY . Again here it is ... an explanation of your doubts but I am confident that you will aborbed it slowly because your first impression would be a BIAS EXPLANATION because of who the author is .

http://hometown.aol.com/bobby39629/m...ary.html<br />

BTW I am also a CATHOLIC , a practicing Catholic . It is by choice not made by others because I believed in it personally thru the faith in GOD . You on the otherhand seems to be very know it all specially on the situations of others basing only the WORDS of MAN and not the WORDS of GOD ... BLASPHEMY again baby ??

Your statements , accusations and attacks on FREEMASONS will never be accounted and credited as VALID for you are not ONE . On the otherhand , if ever I have a statement , accusations and attacks on the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ... you know and I know its accounted , credited and valid because I am ONE . Though it will not be the right thread , just bring it on and maybe , maybe slowly you will absorb the explanations . If it helps if I think according to you , it also helps if you are being openminded and not just throw any attacks because I made you think twice .

[iamdede]

we really cant say what goes on in the freemasons or what their agenda really is- because we dont know- because we are not members..

[Gwynhuever]

we really cant say what goes on in the freemasons or what their agenda really is- because we dont know- because we are not members..

naa na bitaw ta to members ni sugod ug share ...di man ta manuo kay bakak bakak ....mas nakabalo man ang mga dili members...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

As ive said earlier , The Acient Order of Free and Accepted Masons is not a secret society but a soceity of secrets . A lot of symbols , choice of words , rituals etc are very misleading to a persons point of view who understands it literally and the ONLY person who understands it HEARTILY is the MASON itself .

That is the very essence of the core why such ARGUMENTS existed that non Masons " KNEW" more than actual MASONS . Nothing is wrong if it was made as a QUERRY or a DOUBTFUL UNDERSTANDING that needs enlightment but what happened was an AFFIRMATIVE ACCUSATION and ATTACK( as if they really knew what they are thinking and talking about just because they can easily claim they knew a Mason and he is my example of myn claims ) .

Though it is not a secret but not much people knew about it , the issues towards how and why the CHURCH are attacking and accusing of such things towards Freemasonry that the Vatican understood literally on issues are to mislead the authority of the CHURCH ( VATICAN ) from disbanding them because they are threaten . All the issues that the CHUCH are basing from were made by no other than the FREEMASONS itself . To that iSTORYAN who madeÂ* ALBERT PIKE's way of thinking as an example , that is the answer on HOW and WHY . To mislead people from isolating the innocent .

Why mislead ? So that the CORE will be preserved and the very reason why the Craft is still around todayÂ* , now that would be another thing on why and whats with the core .

Ive said my part and what I wanted to other people who are facsinated of the Craft , I will now rest my case to any arguments and clearing up on things . Godbless all !!

[Archer sensAtion]

we really cant say what goes on in the freemasons or what their agenda really is- because we dont know- because we are not members..

naa na bitaw ta to members ni sugod ug share ...di man ta manuo kay bakak bakak ....mas nakabalo man ang mga dili members...

mao gyud...maka wala ug gana...:P

[mannyamador]

Respecting the right to believe in what they believe but not affirming that what they believe is true. I still don't understand what makes the Freemasons an attacker of the Catholic Church. If the church views them as a religion then they are subject to the same respect that is given others who have the right to believe in what they believe.

If freemasonry is a religion (in many cases it is), then it may be viewed as one that is simply incompatible with Christianity, like many others. The problem, however, is that freemasonry is DECEPTIVE when it claims that one can be a true freemason and a faithful Catholic at the same time. Other religions, such as Islam, DO NOT make such a claim. Islam, for example, acknowledges the incompatibility and makes no attempt to hide it. It teaches that you CANNOT be a follower of Islam and a Christian at the same timer. Freemasonry, however, hides or plays down the incompatibility. That is why catholics have a duty to keep others informed.

There's also a second, histrorical issue. The first masonic lodges in Europe were explicitly ant-Catholic. Many of them made no secret of their hatred of the Church and actively attacked or worked against the Catholic Church. Not alll lodges do that today, and some have simply become effete and snobbish social clubs. But many are still rabidly anti-Catholic, even in the Philippines.

[mannyamador]

Your statements , accusations and attacks on FREEMASONS will never be accounted and credited as VALID for you are not ONE.

This line of thinking has already been disproven. It's like saying that one has to eat dung in order to know it tastes bad. That is just plain dumb. It assumes we can only have subjective knowledge (as opposed to objective knowledge). It only leads to absurd conclusions. Argumentum ad absurdum. Look it up.

On the otherhand , if ever I have a statement , accusations and attacks on the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ... you know and I know its accounted , credited and valid because I am ONE.

Not anymore. As I have already proven, as far as the Catholic Church is concerned, you are already EXCOMMUNICATED. That is the official, unequivocal stand of the Church. Period.

Have you asked your superiors about inidfferentism? Still afraid to do so? One simple question is all you have to ask, but you can't even bring yourself to do so.

It's obvious you have something to hide.

[blackwidow]

If freemasonry is a religion (in many cases it is),

OH Pleeassseeeee!!! IT IS NOT A RELIGION! How hard is that to understand?!?!!?!??!!?!