LA LIGA & REAL MADRID

[fingolfin]

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..............that is why i never placed in some statistics, because Madrid is head over shoulders above the rest. You ask any football craze man that who is the team of the century? They would always answer "the white shirt". And if we go to individual player statistics, now that would be funny..........

Ronaldo, Zidane, Figo, Roberto Carlos, Raul, Beckham................i am smiling all the way while im typing these names......there are 7 FIFA world player award between Ronaldo, Zizo and Figo. # each for Zizo and R9 and one for Figo.

@Madeus,
and it really amuses me when you started to compare RAul to Henry, there is no comparison; Raul in his top form is pure class and intellect. It's really obvious that you just only started to watch football cause you weren't able to see the best of Raul. And you can't even distinguish a small pitch from a large one. Sorry but it's just my opinion.

[raul julia]

It's also a fact that EPL and england have better opportunities and have lots of money therefore can have better players. That's why a lot of players wanted to play there.

Are u sure that is a fact? i doubt it..........
Do you know Ivan Campo? His currently playing with Bolton Wanders as one of their starting defensive backs and did u know that he was a bench player of Real Madrid years ago.....And how about Michael Owen, im sure u've heard of him being an EPL guy, he previously stars with Liverpool FC as their starting striker and where is he now? He substitutes for either Ronaldo or Raul @ Real Madrid....

Ergo:
Bench players in LaLiga, starters @ EPL
Starters in EPL, bench guys @ LaLiga

You said lots of players wanted to play @ EPL,so why did Owen leave his starting job @ Liverpool and joined Real Madrid unassured of a starting spot

You said EPL have lots of money, so why did Madrid attempted to Viera and not Arsenal buying one of the galacticos.....

Tsk,tsk,tsk.....you obviously needed to study more on your football my friend!

[Madeus]

Figolfin,

You are talking to futbol pitch, arent you? It should be standard and it means it should adhere to FIFA standard and regulation. Can you tell what's the dimension of Nou Camp or Bernabeu? Tell me how big and difference it is against highbury? I can tell that highbury pitch conforms to FIFA standard. Don't be tricked by camera angle dude. I admit that it's a bit frustrating to watch highbury games because of the positioning of the camera. Highbury stadium is small (they will transfer on much modern emirates stadium, daghan kaayo manan-aw....sayang sad..luoy ang mga daghan di makakita kung gamay imong stadium). If you are right, even so, it doesnt matters with the gunners on how big the pitch is because both teams play with the same size at the same time. Also, they are trained everyday that is much more rigid than Manny Pacquiaos training.

What matters?
This is the first time I heard that the pitch size matters. I havent heard about this from anyone who is analyst and authorized in futbol. Number of games played by a team matters. English clubs played more than any league. So they tend to be tired with some games.

Henry vs. Raul
Now this is funny....I challenge everyone here to get the topmost form of Raul and compare to Henry.
Para mahilom ko and to prove you are right, get a single year that Raul is the best.

For the recent years Henry got this:
Year Games Goals Pens Assists
2004 18 15 0 9
2003 37 30 7 6
2002 37 24 3 20
2001 33 24 4 5

Check year 2004, 15 pts in 18 games...awesome! theyare goals with no penalty. He gave the penaties to Pires and Lauren. Henry is not just goal poacher, but he created them!..9 assists, 24 assists....awesome!!!!!! Raul? how many goals? not a half i guess, not even 5.

If you can't get the stats better be quiet and dont insist that raul is better.

I agree that madrid has the best players but doesnt necessarily mean they are the best club. You can see their result now and last year. Another bad signs that they are in chaos because they are keep changing manager in short period of time and keep changing strategy.

Also check this:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/fo.../15/cnn.top10/ You can conclude what is all about.

[Madeus]

raul julia,

You are always funny with a bad logic. You didnt consider some situations.

These are the same situation with the other way around, here's some Real Madrid facts that are worth mentioning:
- Von Brockhorst is dumped by Arsenal and now he is a weapon of Barca...uhmm.. did you see the goal of von brockhorst against Real? It hurts eh? He's a defender dumped by Arsenal who is from EPL and yet he scored against Real.
-Chelsea bought Makelele from Real and why Real did not bought anyone from Chelsea? Does it mean Real did not have money?
-Beckham is acquired by Real and he is not on the bench. How come this EPL player is not on the bench?
-Quiroz is now (just) an assistant coach with Man Utd? How is that? I thought he's a good coach in world's greatest club, how come he became assistant?
- Do you think Beckham and Owen are happy in Madrid?
- and more.....

About Ivan Campo, perhaps the former manager did not know how to use his talent and skills. I noticed that mistakes with Real Madrid. The way they handle with players e.g. wrong position for Beckham, Morientes is not allowed to play and more.....

About owen
Sssshhhhh.....Owen was sold to Madrid not Owen went to Madrid. Did he have choice? He still bound for Liverpool contract. He was just #3 choice as Liverpool forward because of Baros and Cisse were preferred.

Also, I dont think madridista would like to see raul on the bench. That's manager's pressure and it's tough to become one. But if you see owen plays madrid he is very efficient and he scores. He even scores more than
Raul even the former played in a shorter time. He is not totally a bench warmer.

Also note that in football, only 11 players are allowed to play each team, so you have to bench some players. So you choose the best forwards out there and in madrid's case it's ronaldo and raul (i doubt he's the best with his current form) are the choices, and not because owen is not good. And you cannot put him at the back, right?

On Vieras link with Real.
Football club is a business entitry as well. They acquire and they sell. So if Arsenal would sell Viera that is their prerogative. Btw, you can see Arsenal's progress, they are building a modern stadium and it means their business is good. Thanks Wenger for that.

On Arsenal not buying some players in Real.
Gunners do not need aging players *smirks*. They are capable to train from scratch. You can check the Arsenal youth system. What they need is an imediate cover of Lauren (right back), replacement for Edu, and Goalie.

I stick with "English league has more money and better opportunities".

just added a link, as you can see naay resebo akong giistorya dili lang pataka ba...
http://www.accountancyage.com/news/1129679 -- Premiership the richest league in Europe
http://www.indiantelevision.com/head...ly/july258.htm -- england has the largest with 25% share!! English should be proud of that.


Sooooo.....I dont think it's worth to continue your bad argument.

[raul julia]

- Von Brockhorst is dumped by Arsenal and now he is a weapon of Barca...uhmm.. did you see the goal of von brockhorst against Real? It hurts eh? He's a defender dumped by Arsenal who is from EPL and yet he scored against Real.

Von Bronckhorst a weapontsktsktsk......
Barcelona is kinda Ronaldinho,Eto'o and Deco.Take this guys out and im sure they will vanquish to the bottom of the standings even with ur Von Bronckhost with that team......

[Madeus]

Von brockhorst contributed a lot. He's a defender.

But that's not the main point

Here akong resebo, asa man imong resebo?

"English league has more money and better opportunities".
http://www.accountancyage.com/news/1129679 -- Premiership the richest league in Europe
http://www.indiantelevision.com/head...ly/july258.htm -- england has the largest with 25% share!! English should be proud of that.

[raul julia]

raul julia,
-Chelsea bought Makelele from Real and why Real did not bought anyone from Chelsea? Does it mean Real did not have money?

i really like ur logic!!!!!!!!lol.....Real did not bought anybody from Chelsea because they feel nobody's wothy buying from that team, and do you think real can collect all this galacticos if they dont have the sum?did you now how much real paid in acquiring Figo from Barcelona? or Zidane from Juventus? or Ronaldo from Inter? or Beckham from Man.U.??
pls check for urself and compared this to the signings of any EPL team.....

[Madeus]

Dude,

It's a question for you. Now you are answering it.
Thats the same reason why Arsenal did not bought anyone from Madrid because no one is worth buying.

I know the figures how much they paid for the superstar. And that was years ago, and everyone knows that their prices is not the same as before. Matigulang man gyud nang tawo di ba? Naunsa man ni siya oi....di man kamao.

[raul julia]

Von brockhorst contributed a lot. He's a defender.

But that's not the main point

So what is??

Hayyyyyyyy, nindot pa unta kaayo ilalis nimo but i think your answers are not sensible.....let the reader be the judge nalang>.

If you love your arsenal hala cge pag buhat og imong topic dha para dili nata maglalis.......I wish your Henry and your Arsenal the best of luck.....

Happy new year in advance

[Madeus]

My main point is
Owen now substitue in madrid, viera is linked with madrid, ivan campo etc are not the signs that Spanish league are better because there are some situation like that if you revert it to English league's favor. I was pasting you the links of financial status of all the leagues and it tells the EPL is the richest.

Di lang ko maghimo thread i doubt gamay ra mosakay. This is a Real Madrid and Man Utd country.

Sa tinuoray lang, Real Madrid is my choice in primera liga because of Zidane, but it disappointed me a lot with the current form.

It's so bad that you belittled Arsenal and EPL.