5 US Marines raped Pinay. US flexes might over RP...

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bai SPRINGY... as the laws says kong makighilawas ka og minor de edad basin pa og nagkasinabot mo... rape gihapon na... pareho ni Jalosjos man tingali to. Ang kano sa kadaghan sa burikat sa junquera... ngano adto man siya sa minor de edad?

Of course bai ! Basta walay consent or even naay consent but INTOXICATED ang babay is still considered by law RAPE .

Mura sad na ni ingon ka bai ug ang 2 ka menor de edad , sa kadaghan ug sinehan ug mall sa Cebu , ngano sa BAR man sila ni laag ? Ikaw bai kadtong 12 anyos pa ka .... nakasuway naka ug BAR BAR ?? Ako ana bai edara ga duwa pa ko ug kasing ug luthang ana .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

doesn't take one to go out of lucid interval for her to find herself in those places.. you know how minors could really be so adverse with their actuations.. i'm sure at one point of your life bro, you somehow find yourself diverting from the norms ayt? if so, it would be utterly disrespectful if i'll concluded that you're out of your lids..

True but walay mawala nako kay lalaki ko unless I am a 12 year old boy in a gay bar bai .

rape, unlike any other crimes, purports to be detrimental on the part of the victim.. on top of the incident, victims are more likely to be pinned down further, burden of proof is somehow on the side of the victims, and not the culprit.. which, i believe, is big reason why victims have that much apprehension of taking necessary actions..

Bai thats why I suggested as an opinion na bisan diri sa forums lang that ingon ana gani na pangihatbo , do the PROPER PROCEDURE . Capable man ta ana thru NBI . Let the girls undergo an examination first to confirm na na RAPE ba gyud siya . It will only be good for a couple of days or a weeks then after ana kung walay medico legal gi himo , everything will just be POINTING FINGERS na siya ga rape nako . UNya ug wala gyud diay siya ma RAPE kay gusto lang mangwarta from the government ? This is not the first time to happened to foreigners na na involved sa locals .

as for minors, you can't really expect minors to act accordingly on it, they are not yet capable of coming up with sensible decisions.. the law even generally renders any simple contract or undertaking with them invalid.. they're basically legally and emotionally unemancipated..

Thats the whole point bai .... irony is they are MATURED enough to decide that hanging out in places that are for MATURE people only is OK even though they know na teenagers lang sila . LIke I said ... wala ba silay homework or house chores to do kay ga BAR BAR man nuon ang mga menor de edad ??

thing is, sexual assault is not fuzzy.. in u.s.a. (i believe) the law is basically specific..

It is not because it is a not a laughing matter . Sa ingon ana na kaso bai basta involved ang word na *** , pildi gyud ang LALAKI mao ayaw pabuang buang sa BABAY yet what if ni abuso lang ang babay to take the advantage she knows she has ?? As what ive said earlier ... what if wala diay ma RAPE ??or ma SEXUALLY ASSAULT or HARASS ?

Sexual assault is *** without consent..
Sexual assault is sexual contact (not just intercourse) where one of the parties has not given or cannot give active verbal consent - for instance an uttered clear "yes"

that simple.. no more, no less..

True .. bisan ni YES ang babay but INTOXICATED is still RAPE by law . You know why I said basin ni stir na pod ang media ? Ngano ni NO man ang 12 years old na babay ug ni YES ang 15 years old na babay sa KANO ? That very moment na ni NO ang 15 years old na babay , deritso na siya sa police station unta because naka YES siya sa malaw-ay na panghilawas human wala siya sa maayong panghuna huna or not capable of doing the right thing kay menor de edad pa siya ? They still even have to give proof of their age also ... daghan baya guwang na na Cebuano na BALAHIBONG PUSA gihapon .

Hehehe or basin gamayan ra sila sa gihatag sa KANO ??

despite whatever speculations we may have came up regarding it.. still it will drill down to the statements above.. notwithstanding whatever was the initial intention of the girl..

Thats why bai , we may be off topic because the thread is for the soldiers NA accussed OF rape .. The scenario is very related kay di ta ( not here in istorya ) but FIlipinos mo sulti na RAPIST to siya . We can easily say it because kita ang agrabyado yet ibutang ang inyong kaugalingon sa sapatos sa ACCUSED then syagit mo ug i prove una na na RAPE ! Bai ... grabe ang punishment sa RAPE .. but what if INNOCENT ka ??

[JoRed]

Commentary from a woman lawyer...

Lucid Interval : Silence in Subic

First posted 02:45am (Mla time) Nov 22, 2005
By Rowena Guanzon
INQ7.net



NOT A WHISPER of protest can be heard from the people or the elected officials of Olongapo city, where a 22-year-old woman said US servicemen raped her in the Subic Bay Freeport Zone on Nov. 1. Along with Clark Field in Pampanga province, Olongapo was host to the US military bases for 40 years until the Philippine Senate voted against renewing a treaty that allowed American military bases in the country.
Most people in Olongapo had enjoyed many years of commercial benefit from American servicemen in the past, and that has numbed their senses. The city's economy was boosted by the dollars the Americans spent for rest and recreation in bars, clubs and hotels. Anything and everything that the servicemen wanted was for sale, including women’s bodies. Although the US military base has been closed and its facilities dismantled since 1991, Olongapo’s businesses still benefit today from the visiting US servicemen who are in the country for military exercises.

If the officials of Olongapo are slow to react to the rape of a Filipina, it is because of their collective belief that howling a protest is not good for Philippine-US diplomatic relations, which they think they have a duty to protect as host. Another reason is that the woman is not from Olongapo. Still another reason is, in a city where a number of women are sexually prostituted, a charge of rape is viewed with disbelief. If the woman had worked in the bar, everyone, especially her employer, would now be convincing her to withdraw her complaint.

In contrast, the people and the governor of Okinawa were outraged when three American servicemen kidnapped and raped a 12-year-old schoolgirl in 1995. People carried placards that said, “American animals get out of Okinawa!� The governor was outspoken against the US military base, which occupied one-fifth of his province.

All three US servicemen were convicted and served seven years in Okinawa prison. They were Navy Seaman Marcus Gill of Woodville, Texas, Marine Pfc. Rodrico Harp of Griffin, Georgia, and Marine Pfc. Kendrick Ledet of Waycross, Georgia.

The three were immediately arrested before the US authorities arrived, and the governor of Okinawa refused to give them custody. The people of Okinawa followed the case to the end, and many felt that the sentence of seven years was too light.

As if that was not lesson enough for American servicemen, in 2001 Marine Sergeant Woodlands was convicted of raping a 24-year-old Okinawa woman on the hood of a car in a parking building. Woodlands’ defense was that the sexual contact was consensual, but the woman testified that Woodlands grabbed her from behind, and that she banged the hood of the car with both her fists, so how could the accused have not understood her resistance? While on trial, Woodlands was detained in Okinawa.

In both cases in Okinawa, the US did not request for custody of the accused. So why is the US treating our country differently?

Why isn’t the US handing over the Marines and any evidence that they can acquire to the Philippine government as provided for in the Philippine-US Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA)? The undersecretaries of the Department of Foreign Affairs, when asked by Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago, admitted that the US government did not make a formal request of waiver of custody, which is required under the VFA.

Since the Philippine authorities did not make an immediate arrest, and the accused are in US custody, it is now our government that must make a request for a “handover.�

There are many questions unanswered that have bearing not only on the case but also on the implementation and review of the VFA by our officials.

When the Marines were presented to former general Jose Calimlim, vice president of the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority, did he inform them that a rape complaint had been filed against them and therefore they were under arrest?

Even if the US immediately took custody of the accused, why did not the Philippine government try to make an arrest by going to their commander or the US embassy?

The VFA states that the US can have immediate custody of their men ‘if they so request,� but the Philippines can make known its refusal or position in “extraordinary cases.� The US has no obligation to agree, but how the case will play out depends on how much the US values its relations with the Philippines. If the Americans think our government is a pushover, they will refuse to hand over their men. That is, unless a nationwide protest haunts them and the case becomes an international issue in the US press.

Under our law, a no-warrant arrest could have been done within a reasonable time after the woman filed the complaint. If the US Marines could have been arrested, they would have stayed in the Olongapo jail until their government made a formal request for custody. Then the people would have been satisfied that our officials are protecting our sovereignty and the dignity of Filipinos.

But as you can see, our officials were stymied by the might of a superpower and an ally against terrorism. The “little brown brother� psyche is very hard to shake off, indeed.

Erratum: In my last column I cited People vs. Baygar as the case in which a Caucasian woman was raped and the accused was acquitted. The correct case is People vs. Salarza (1997), in which Chief Justice Hilario Davide Jr. dissented.

[FK]

He said there was really no difference if the US Marines would be detained in a local jail or the US embassy.

"The effect is only psychological. If they are with us, we can see them everyday butÂ* beyond that, what?" Gonzalez asked.

na onswa na man tawn ni atong DOJ chief oi... try kono nga mo ingon ani siya kong ang Pinoy dakpon sa Singapore, sa U.S. og ubang nasod nga ingnon ilang gobyerno... Anhi lang namo i detain sa among embassy kay pareho ra man na...

[JoRed]

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from the Filipino Express

RAPE VICTIM’S MOM VOWS TO SEEK JUSTICEÂ*

NEW YORK PROTEST. Members of militant groups in New York and New Jersey picketed the US Navy Recruitment Center in Times Square, Manhattan on Friday, November 4 to condemn the reported rape of a Filipina by six US Marines in the Philippines. Similar indignation rallies were held simultaneously in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle.

[img width=300 height=225]http://www.filipinoexpress.com/19/46_news-1.jpg[/img]



Olongapo City, PHILIPPINES --- As the mother of the Filipino rape victim tearfully pleaded for justice for her daughter, a Philippine official said that the six US Marines who had allegedly violated her had asked to be transferred to their Okinawa home base.

“Please help my daughter get justice,� the 45-year-old mother urged a Manila-based newspaper in a telephone interview to send this message to President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

The senior official of the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA), on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, told the Philippine Daily Inquirer that the Americans had made “unofficial requests� for the transfer to their 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit of the III Marine Expeditionary Force based in Okinawa.

Foreign Affairs Undersecretary Zosimo Paredes, who is also executive director of the Presidential Commission on the RP-US Visiting Forces Agreement, said the VFA does not prevent the accused in the rape case to leave the country.

He said the VFA has “no qualification� as to where exactly an accused can be held “so long as they don’t leave US custody.�

“There’s really nothing there that says ‘US custody in the Philippines’,� Paredes said. “Their only obligation is to make them available during judicial proceedings.�

Paredes also conceded that “we cannot compel� the US to keep the accused on Philippine soil so long as it complies with court orders for them to be presented on specific dates.

Captain Burrel Parmer, public information chief of the US Marine contingent that joined the recently concluded military exercises in the Philippines, said he was unaware of the reported request.

“The US Embassy still has custody of them and assured that it would make them available,� Parmer said.

On Tuesday, the six US Marines have been served subpoenas to attend the November 23 preliminary investigation on the charges filed against them.

The subpoena was served to the US Embassy that has custody of the six servicemen by the Olongapo City prosecutor’s office. It urged the accused to show up in court so they can present their side through a counter-affidavit.

The United States Embassy on Monday refused to heed the clamor for it to turn over to Philippine authorities the six US Marines. They remain in US custody.

“I want justice for her,� the mother said in the first family statement on the Nov. 1 incident at the sprawling Subic Bay Freeport -- the largest US naval base outside the continental United States until it was shut down in 1992.

“Binaboy nila ang pagkatao ng anak ko (They destroyed my daughter’s reputation),� she said.

She stressed that her 22-year-old daughter is a decent woman. “She is not a prostitute. They should not judge her character,� she said.

The mother, together with a son, also appeared in an interview with GMA television news, weeping and appealing that there should be no whitewash on the case and that Americans be jailed.

Many people, she said, were trying to extend help to her daughter but she said she was wary of some who might want to use her for their political interests.

“Ayaw kong pagpiyestahan nila ang anak ko (I don’t want this issue to turn into a circus),� she said.

“Don’t pity my daughter. Our fellow Filipinos should instead be angry at the Americans who abused her. This is not solely my daughter’s battle. It must be our people’s fight because those soldiers abused a Filipina.�

Overnight, she said the incident had changed her family and thrown her other four children into confusion and feelings of shame.

As the mother tried to help her daughter overcome the trauma, she was also helping her other children cope with the situation.

“They are either embarrassed [about] what happened or couldn’t accept it. I told them they shouldn’t feel shame for their sister because she herself did not like what happened to her. Often, I tell them that what their sister needs now is understanding and support,� she said.

The mother said her daughter had a full life ahead of her until she was abused.

The victim’s father, a former Navy officer -- not an Army soldier as identified in earlier reports -- and her mother, a government employee, gave her a college education.

The daughter has been receiving counseling from crisis management specialists of the Department of Social Welfare and Development. She had come to Subic to accompany a stepsister to meet her boyfriend. In the course of bar-hopping, she was taken to a van, where she was allegedly raped, according to accounts by freeport officials.

The incident, the mother said, has disrupted their lives and their food business in Zamboanga City but this is not important anymore.

“She is our priority now, nothing else,� the mother said.

[tolstoi]

nice red flag/banner

[potterboy]

yeah. stop raping our women.

[dexterdal]

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from the Filipino Express

RAPE VICTIM’S MOM VOWS TO SEEK JUSTICE

NEW YORK PROTEST. Members of militant groups in New York and New Jersey picketed the US Navy Recruitment Center in Times Square, Manhattan on Friday, November 4 to condemn the reported rape of a Filipina by six US Marines in the Philippines. Similar indignation rallies were held simultaneously in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle.

[img width=300 height=225]http://www.filipinoexpress.com/19/46_news-1.jpg[/img]



Olongapo City, PHILIPPINES --- As the mother of the Filipino rape victim tearfully pleaded for justice for her daughter, a Philippine official said that the six US Marines who had allegedly violated her had asked to be transferred to their Okinawa home base.

“Please help my daughter get justice,� the 45-year-old mother urged a Manila-based newspaper in a telephone interview to send this message to President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

The senior official of the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA), on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, told the Philippine Daily Inquirer that the Americans had made “unofficial requests� for the transfer to their 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit of the III Marine Expeditionary Force based in Okinawa.

Foreign Affairs Undersecretary Zosimo Paredes, who is also executive director of the Presidential Commission on the RP-US Visiting Forces Agreement, said the VFA does not prevent the accused in the rape case to leave the country.

He said the VFA has “no qualification� as to where exactly an accused can be held “so long as they don’t leave US custody.�

“There’s really nothing there that says ‘US custody in the Philippines’,� Paredes said. “Their only obligation is to make them available during judicial proceedings.�

Paredes also conceded that “we cannot compel� the US to keep the accused on Philippine soil so long as it complies with court orders for them to be presented on specific dates.

Captain Burrel Parmer, public information chief of the US Marine contingent that joined the recently concluded military exercises in the Philippines, said he was unaware of the reported request.

“The US Embassy still has custody of them and assured that it would make them available,� Parmer said.

On Tuesday, the six US Marines have been served subpoenas to attend the November 23 preliminary investigation on the charges filed against them.

The subpoena was served to the US Embassy that has custody of the six servicemen by the Olongapo City prosecutor’s office. It urged the accused to show up in court so they can present their side through a counter-affidavit.

The United States Embassy on Monday refused to heed the clamor for it to turn over to Philippine authorities the six US Marines. They remain in US custody.

“I want justice for her,� the mother said in the first family statement on the Nov. 1 incident at the sprawling Subic Bay Freeport -- the largest US naval base outside the continental United States until it was shut down in 1992.

“Binaboy nila ang pagkatao ng anak ko (They destroyed my daughter’s reputation),� she said.

She stressed that her 22-year-old daughter is a decent woman. “She is not a prostitute. They should not judge her character,� she said.

The mother, together with a son, also appeared in an interview with GMA television news, weeping and appealing that there should be no whitewash on the case and that Americans be jailed.

Many people, she said, were trying to extend help to her daughter but she said she was wary of some who might want to use her for their political interests.

“Ayaw kong pagpiyestahan nila ang anak ko (I don’t want this issue to turn into a circus),� she said.

“Don’t pity my daughter. Our fellow Filipinos should instead be angry at the Americans who abused her. This is not solely my daughter’s battle. It must be our people’s fight because those soldiers abused a Filipina.�

Overnight, she said the incident had changed her family and thrown her other four children into confusion and feelings of shame.

As the mother tried to help her daughter overcome the trauma, she was also helping her other children cope with the situation.

“They are either embarrassed [about] what happened or couldn’t accept it. I told them they shouldn’t feel shame for their sister because she herself did not like what happened to her. Often, I tell them that what their sister needs now is understanding and support,� she said.

The mother said her daughter had a full life ahead of her until she was abused.

The victim’s father, a former Navy officer -- not an Army soldier as identified in earlier reports -- and her mother, a government employee, gave her a college education.

The daughter has been receiving counseling from crisis management specialists of the Department of Social Welfare and Development. She had come to Subic to accompany a stepsister to meet her boyfriend. In the course of bar-hopping, she was taken to a van, where she was allegedly raped, according to accounts by freeport officials.

The incident, the mother said, has disrupted their lives and their food business in Zamboanga City but this is not important anymore.

“She is our priority now, nothing else,� the mother said.

gamaya ana nila nag protest uy. hehehehehehe

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Oi nahilom na man lage . Kadtong sa CEBU pod na menor de edad . Tsk tsk tsk .... shot kaayo mo sa TARO ^ .

[pandisal]

Wala pa sila nakita nga bag-o 'nga article sa news paper para ma CUT 'n PASTE!!!!