Impeachment Part II

[FK]

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... what?? did that statement limit itself to the Lebanon crisis??

FYI... i just did not include some of the statements, as i just pointed out... those issues are not directly related to impeachment. Coz agencies in charges of those stuff should not be affected with the impeachment.

.. arent they talking about solutions for MAJOR problems?? you know well how influential the prices of fuel are to the economy and i am grateful that these group of senators and congressmen are tackling this issue. No offense, but you anti-gma people are so narrow-minded. Get the bigger picture of things and get what's the MOST important issues.

when Clinton was impeached for his scandal with Monica, did his administration claim that they should tackle on more pressing issues? When ERAP was in trial did he scap the impeachment because there was a Asian financial crisis? When a leader is in trouble it is but important to solve the crisis surrounding him/her, not just by claiming that "I have work to do".

.. you know what, the problem of this country is not the president. But you, the anti-government groups. You admit that the impeachment trials can't solve the country's problems but yet here you are, pushing for the trial to take place. Please re-evaluate yourself......

I hope you are not thinking that I'm a member of an anti-government group. Coz i'm not one of them.
I'm not saying that it will not solve the country's problems... I said it will not solve all our problems.
pushing for the trial to take place it not anti-government I believe... it may be anti-GMA but GMA is not the government. When you are robbed and you sue the perpetrators... it will not make you any richer by a centavo it may even make you poorer but isn't it the right thing to do...

[omad]

^^you must be refering to my post bai OMAD? =)

but please stop acting like you are one of the mods coz i know how to conform with istorya rules and i'm very aware of all postings i made here ever since day1 of my membership...let's just keep all the moderating to our respectable mods instead.
tolstoi

OT: honestly bro, I'm not acting as a mod and I don't have any ambitions to be one. is there a problem if somebody like me wants to read thru the posts here in this forum without those "smileys"? is it really necessary to add smileys such as these " , " to rebuttals specially to known opposition proponents such as FK, istoryador or everybody else in the P&CE? please use it at the Humor Section..

it's not that you're not following rules by posting those smileys, all I'm emphasizing is that at least we have a board (P&CE) that resembles a forum, devoid of "smileys and hahaha, hehehe, lolz etc". if I were a mod, I won't give you a warning either. all I want is for all the proponents on this thread and similar threads to have at least some maturity with them. some sort of respect between protagonists. that's all.. and what's so difficult with that? since you and I have been in the P&CE forums awhile now, why not set good examples for noobs to follow? we don't have to be mods to know some sort of netiquette..

now tell me, where's the "mod ambitions" there?

yes, I agree that those "smileys" are there for a reason but similar icons such as these " , " have no business in the P&CE specially here where proponents are discussing a particular topic intently ie FK and Fingolfin. is it really that hard to get our points across without the help of "smileys", "hahaha", "hehehe", "lolz" in our rebuttals?

[fingolfin]

@FK,

there's really no point for me to further discuss this issue with you, since you don't want progress. you say that you're not anti-government, but you act like one. my opinions are my beliefs and convictions, while you.... you're only doing this discussion for the sake of discussion. that last post of yours is empty. you're trying to stray from the issue, citing examples which are far out. it's pretty obvious that you don't want this country to prosper, you might tell me that you want to coz you want a " cheater president" to be ousted, but like i always say tackle much important issues, such as poverty, price hike and the economy in general . And besides, this is impeachment PART TWO . Notice the word TWO , meaning second. Why can't you move on and think of a better way to help this god forsaken country. And like i always say use your good brain to better use

..anyway, click this, impeachment dead . I hope people with the same mind-frame as yours will stop with this " the president is a cheater " nonsense and start helping the country.

[europe1600]

hala. kaisog sa mga tao dini. sa General Chit Chat na lang ko kay mga kalma sila didto. harhar.

[potterboy]

ok now, this is an interesting topic, let's steer it back to the topic.

tolstoi & omad, bro's, let's go back to the topic please.

[omad]

here's a question to the pro impeachment proponents:

When do we start to put the impeachment to rest? we've gone thru the first last year and now the second impeachment suffered the same fate, we're does it all end? or are we still expecting a third one by the last week of July of next year?

[potterboy]

these proceedings, aside from the obvious that any impeachment case with the same accusations and same people involved will only end up dumped, eats up a lot of the nation's budget. and for what? for dead air.

it is true that oppositions make a healthy governance and politics, but can't we just for once learn to see the obvious? if the opposition would just work and exceed the administration's efforts, then there could be a bigger chance that majority of the filipino people would agree to their point. but hey, all we see is the same dirt on the cloth. and worse, some of these people are just too noisy and way too traditional as well. why waste budget on such cases when we can channel them to a lot better and more helpful means right?

let say if these guys could trigger another proceeding that would end up nothing, spending 100million for it, the money couldve been more beneficial if it's charged up for the poor. or better, help police the government and its budget from the trapos'. instead, they are acting more like who they are accusing.

[FK]

there's really no point for me to further discuss this issue with you, since you don't want progress. you say that you're not anti-government, but you act like one. my opinions are my beliefs and convictions, while you.... you're only doing this discussion for the sake of discussion.

contrary to your belief... this stand of mine is also my opinion and my conviction.

it's pretty obvious that you don't want this country to prosper, you might tell me that you want to coz you want a " cheater president" to be ousted, but like i always say tackle much important issues, such as poverty, price hike and the economy in general . And besides, this is impeachment PART TWO . Notice the word TWO , meaning second. Why can't you move on and think of a better way to help this god forsaken country. And like i always say use your good brain to better use

The difference with your opinion and conviction with mine is that:

i believe that when a person uses dirty tricks to achieve his/her goal... he is not using that for the country but his/her own self. That doing that thing will involve so many people, and that people should be given favor in return. Which will lead to graft and corruption. their sweet words and so sweet but i don't buy it, i don't buy their Robin Hood story.

i believe that the laws should be followed by everybody... from president down to those brgy councilors, that it should be followed not on our convinience of time.

i believe that every politician has the capability to do bad and be corrupt... it's not only the current opposition and that the current administration is the only one capable of doing good. That i've learn my lesson (though i'm still not born) during Marcos, we believe in every word that he says... remember "Bagong Lipunan" We ignored his crimes before for what? for the sake of moving on and for the economy. but look at us now? look at where he put us?

Lastly i believe this country is not God forsaken... but it's a country who forsake God, doing things which are not good just for the sake of money... ignoring the morals and what should be right.

And I hope that people here will be respecting each other even if they have contrasting views, opinions and convictions.

signing off for now... (pro-GMA you have all time to agree among yourselves)

[tolstoi]

sorry guys for the OT..but i am compelled to answer this one.

it's not that you're not following rules by posting those smileys, all I'm emphasizing is that at least we have a board (P&CE) that resembles a forum, devoid of "smileys and hahaha, hehehe, lolz etc". if I were a mod, I won't give you a warning either. all I want is for all the proponents on this thread and similar threads to have at least some maturity with them.

yes, I agree that those "smileys" are there for a reason but similar icons such as these " grin , 2funny " have no business in the P&CE specially here where proponents are discussing a particular topic intently ie FK and Fingolfin. is it really that hard to get our points across without the help of "smileys", "hahaha", "hehehe", "lolz" in our rebuttals?

hilasa pud ani bai..how dare you say that!..aren't we all have different styles of posting?..if you scour my past replies with FK, SNMP/mosimos/istoryador et al, then you'll find out that i've been debating with them head on. It's just that i've realized that arguing these uber redundant issues with them will only be futile and tiresome, so why not loose things up a bit!

and what is wrong with posting "smileys and hahaha, hehehe, lolz etc" outside Humor thread? are there any rules not to express such things? like i said you have to loosen up a bit sometimes, don't expect all the threads outside HUMOR to have a courtroom atmosphere where "you" can act as a judge and have the authority to strike the gavel when anyone does not conform to "your" rules/ideals.

LET'S ENTRUST THE MODERATING TO THE MODS AND ADMIN WHOM IT SEEMS FITTING! IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WILL ADDRESS ME WITH THESE KIND OF WORDS, IT SHOULD ONLY BE THEM, ELSE YOU ARE ONLY GETTING PERSONAL.

go get a life!

[FK]

i've realized that arguing these uber redundant issues with them will only be futile and tiresome

if you think it's tiresome and futile... it's better to stop talking than mock people. YES I see it as mocking also, though i just ignored it. YES I am guilty also of mocking people but dili ko magpalusot nga wala ko gabuhat ana og gasunod jud ko sa balaod sa ISTORYA.NET, I was never been warned nor reprimanded by a Mod, but i'm also guilty of mocking.

what's wrong with hahahas after a reply? ask fingolfin? he has just warned a user for using those hahahaha...