IRAQ: The real trouble has not yet begun.

[Bobs Uncle]

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I love Bush.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

OT - Naay nindot na topic na about BUSH , IRAQ etc sa POLITICS pod pero ambot asa na to .... naglami na ang diskusyon didto kay kumpleto sa PRO and ANTI BUSH including sa mga lain lain na opinions regarding IRAQ .

Akong stand sa issue about BUSH and IRAQ ? Murag ako pa man cguro ang mo post diri na PRO .......... turned to NO TO WAR because there is no need of one . regarding kang BUSH .... I voted for him and will still vote for him kung pwede pa siya mo lansar .

[Bobs Uncle]

Bush is my hero.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

OFFTOPIC

Det låter vara väldigt intressant - men tyvärr förstår jag inte ett dugg av det där språket, förutom att du är en pro Bush dumbom.

Ah ok ic ..... have fun !

If you write in English, I won’t have to reply in Swedish. Good idea?

If you know what FORUMS ur getting into .... make sure you can relate specially the dialects . Do I have to write that in SWEDISH too ? or maybe u can try www.story.net

Or maybe you want me to leave this board and not post anything? I can do that too.

Its ur call .... and not my business .... there other people whom I can relate too communicating in OUR dialect and english .... maybe a little SWEDISH too .

[JoRed]

October 24th, 2005 2:11 pm
Iraq Insurgency Shows No Signs of Abating


By Hamza Hendawi / Associated Press

With the grim milestone of the 2,000th U.S. military death looming in Iraq, many wonder about the direction of the insurgency that killed most of them.

Experts think the country's increasingly regional-oriented politics will fuel the insurgency and even spread it further inside Iraq. Others put forward a simple, disquieting scenario: So long as U.S. and other foreign troops remain in Iraq, the insurgency will continue.

"It will become more chaotic," predicted Magnus Ranstorp of the Swedish National Defense College in Stockholm, Sweden. "It is obvious that the United States is in Iraq to stay. If this is the case, the Shiites will likely join the Sunnis in the fight."

The 2,000 mark in U.S. military deaths is approaching at a time when Iraqi and U.S. officials are congratulating themselves that the Oct. 15 constitutional referendum and the start of Saddam Hussein's trial four days later passed without major bloodshed and destruction.

They also are upbeat about the growing efficiency and number — 200,000 at present — of Iraq's security forces, although some U.S. commanders say the Iraqis need 18 months to two years before they can fight the insurgency unaided.

Recent operations in western Iraq, especially in towns along the Euphrates River close to the Syrian border, are said to have been effective in disrupting the insurgents' supply lines and reducing the number of car bombs.

Stepped-up security has forced insurgents in recent weeks to largely abandon using car bombs and resort to indirect fire, such as lobbing mortar shells from afar, Interior Minister Bayan Jabr said.

Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, said troops captured more than 300 foreign fighters and killed 100 members of al-Qaida in Iraq the past six months. Other successes include the detention of 600 insurgents in the two weeks before the referendum, said Maj. Gen. William G. Webster, commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad.

But no official predicts a quick victory.

"The insurgents are still there," Lynch cautioned. "They still want to derail the democratic process. They still want to discredit the Iraqi government, so operations continue."

Last week proved to be one of the bloodiest for U.S. troops, with 23 killed, many in restive Anbar province. That raised to 1,996 the number of U.S. military personnel who have died since the war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press Count.

The insurgents are made up of disparate groups of Sunni Arabs, who lost the privileged status they held under Saddam. But the motives driving them are many, from a nationalist anger over the presence of foreign troops to an urge to create an Islamic state to a desire to regain perks.

The domestic rebels are aided by foreign fighters brought into Iraq by leaders like al-Qaida in Iraq's Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to participate in a self-styled "holy war." The foreign contingent, said by U.S. officials to be mostly Arabs, is widely blamed for dozens of devastating suicide bombings targeting Shiite Muslims and Iraqi security forces.

Iraq's majority Shiites and minority Kurds — the two communities most oppressed under Saddam — have been empowered by the former dictator's ouster and are cooperating with the Americans.

Their areas, in the south and north, are almost entirely free of the violence that grips regions with significant Sunni Arab populations.

But experts contend the fighting could soon begin to take dramatic turns, more heavily influenced by outside events and possibly bringing new factions into the fight.

For example, they say, if Washington and London continue to put pressure on Iran over its nuclear program, Iraq's Shiite neighbor could be tempted to encourage radical Iraqi Shiite factions to stage attacks on U.S. and British forces.

Indeed, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said recently the bombs that killed eight British soldiers in southern Iraq since May were similar to those used by Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Shiite militant group in Lebanon.

Iran, which has close links to Shiite political parties in Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari's coalition government, has denied any involvement.

"The Iranians are instrumental in upping the ante," said Vali Nasr, who lectures on national security affairs at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif. "They have been practicing restraint, but this may already have begun to change."

Nasr said Iraqi Shiites' tolerance of the U.S. military presence flows from Washington's support for the political process that has benefited them the most. But, he said, this could change if it appeared the United States was not leaving Iraq.

U.S. forces already had a taste of simultaneously fighting Sunni Arabs and Shiites. For nearly five months last year, U.S. forces were stretched to the limit, fighting the mainstream insurgency in Sunni areas while struggling to put down two rebellions by Shiite militiamen loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Syria, another neighbor, could succumb to mounting U.S. pressure to keep Islamic fighters from using its territory to cross into Iraq. But it also could respond by seeking to create more problems for the Americans by helping the militants to join the Iraq war.

"As long as there are Americans in Iraq, Islamists will want to go and fight them," said Dia'a Rashwan, an Egyptian expert on Muslim militant groups.

[Empress_Of_Drac]

The war in Iraq was a huge mistake no matter how I put it. War, in general, is something we, at these civilized times, should have avoided no matter what the cost. I honestly believe it should be a last resort- or better yet forgotten. Haven't the people already learned there are no winners or losers but only casualties in war?

I thought Bush would know better. Now he just comes across to me as an idiot.

Nah, it's not. If the war didn't happen then Saddam Hussien would still be at large today...look at him now...I'm sure he'll be surely convicted...If not of the war what do you think would happen to the people there under the Saddam leadership? Bush and his administration surely did the right stuff when they decided to launch war against the said country...

[lestat1116]

The war in Iraq was a huge mistake no matter how I put it. War, in general, is something we, at these civilized times, should have avoided no matter what the cost. I honestly believe it should be a last resort- or better yet forgotten. Haven't the people already learned there are no winners or losers but only casualties in war?

I thought Bush would know better. Now he just comes across to me as an idiot.

Nah, it's not. If the war didn't happen then Saddam Hussien would still be at large today...look at him now...I'm sure he'll be surely convicted...If not of the war what do you think would happen to the people there under the Saddam leadership? Bush and his administration surely did the right stuff when they decided to launch war against the said country...

ok ang war sa iraq.. but wat happen to iraq now? dili man mahuman even naa pa na new president.. they dont want ang u.s.a. nagchange nila.. bush is after the oil sa iraq.. ang oil problem of the world is because of bush. wala pa nya gubata ang iraq dili unta ta ingani.. wat if katong 911 was planned by bush and bin laden? how would you feel?

[Bobs Uncle]

.... make sure you can relate specially the dialects .
.... there other people whom I can relate too

I don't think you know the difference between a dialectÂ* and a language. Anyway, I hope you approve of the modifications I’ve made to my posts in this thread.

Now, if you tell me how to un-register I’ll be on my way.

[kUrSh]

bobs. u're in a bisaya site. how do you expect people to interact? what are you here for anyway? to proclaim your undying love for bush? that bush is god? why not say it in your own dialect in your own site in your own county?

sod off.

[darkwing]

what is done is done, maypa help nalang the Iraqi people...