Truth About Hell

[jamesmusslewhite]

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Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists Inc., called the study the latest gimmick from the religious establishment to drum up government support.

"Religious people cannot rely on their theology to promote what they do so they turn to other things," she said.

"I cannot imagine what the belief in mythological beings or things that don't exist can do for business. What about the pornographic industry? That is probably very good for growth."

Two questions:
1. Why no URL so I can find her rebuttal to the Economist findings, and what were her facts and sources that support her comments. Other that she hates God.

2. What is her experience and education in the field of economics, other than being the leader in an obscure "God Haters Club"? Why should I believe anything that she says?

There are a lot of religions in this world that believe in the concept of Hell.

[chad_tukes]

Two questions:
1. Why no URL so I can find her rebuttal to the Economist findings, and what were her facts and sources that support her comments. Other that she hates God.

If God is Dead, Everything is Permitted . . .

oh no, she doesn't hate God. in fact, she doesn't believe in any God, so why should she hate it? she hates religion and religous people who promotes their agenda by means of mixing religion and politics.

it's a long blog. scroll down and find it.

2. What is her experience and education in the field of economics, other than being the leader in an obscure "God Haters Club"? Why should I believe anything that she says?

Ellen Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you don't have to believe anything she says, WHY SHOULD YOU?

why should you believe anything an atheist says? don't believe anything they say, your God might put you to hell.

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you can answer your own questions by doing a simple GOOGLE search. but you're being lazy about it. so there, i did for you.

[jamesmusslewhite]

If God is Dead, Everything is Permitted . . .

oh no, she doesn't hate God. in fact, she doesn't believe in any God, so why should she hate it? she hates religion and religous people who promotes their agenda by means of mixing religion and politics.

it's a long blog. scroll down and find it.



Ellen Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you don't have to believe anything she says, WHY SHOULD YOU?

why should you believe anything an atheist says? don't believe anything they say, your God might put you to hell.

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you can answer your own questions by doing a simple GOOGLE search. but you're being lazy about it. so there, i did for you.

Well I did look before I posted, that is why I asked. She is a former President, Ellen Johnson was removed involuntarily by a vote of her board of directors. She has a Masters in Political Science and her University teaches social sciences, liberal arts, humanities, architecture, fine arts, design, music, drama, finance, psychology and public policy. No where does it show a background in Economics or does she seem to have ever held any post dealing in local economics or foreign economics.

Yes I should take the bias word of an Atheist activist with a personal agenda and no background in economics; over the non bias research of economist at the Federal reserve bank. After all what do Reserve bank economist know about world financing?

The problem is not my laziness, rather your deciding to once again to jack a thread to push your Atheist views, and willingness to be arrogant and condescending in you attempt to try to sound clever.

Yes why should I listen to anything she has to say on this subject? Why should I have to listen to anything any Atheist has to say about religion? Atheist are only seeking a path of non responsibility and consequences for their action, so you can believe you can do the things God does not allow. Gee if I act like he does not believe he will just go away, and I am free do do anything I want. You are welcome to believe that fallacy, just do not be offended if I avoid your folly.

Will God put me in hell for listening to Atheist? No. If I am silly enough to believe and leave my faith? YES, and that is a good reason not to listen to you jesters.


Your disbelief and conflict with this Reuters report is that it contradicts your own personal belief that religion is bad for societies, and religion's moral ethics do not effect a countries economy or allow for greater prosperity for religious societies. Follow the money

[fingolfin]

then check your Bible if what is shown in the video is not written. if only you believe in the Bible.

https://www.istorya.net/forums/spirit...s-threads.html


.. read that first... ok ....



..oh, and one more thing. stop preaching please. i know that your intentions are clean, but please, stop preaching, it's annoying to read those lines IF ONLY YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE....


.. and as for that video is concern, it's based on the bible, that's why it's exactly the same..... havent you thought about that

[munzter666]

then check your Bible if what is shown in the video is not written. if only you believe in the Bible.

maybe next time you SHOULD do it with out circular reasoning.

[chad_tukes]

Well I did look before I posted, that is why I asked. She is a former President, Ellen Johnson was removed involuntarily by a vote of her board of directors. She has a Masters in Political Science and her University teaches social sciences, liberal arts, humanities, architecture, fine arts, design, music, drama, finance, psychology and public policy. No where does it show a background in Economics or does she seem to have ever held any post dealing in local economics or foreign economics.

Yes I should take the bias word of an Atheist activist with a personal agenda and no background in economics; over the non bias research of economist at the Federal reserve bank. After all what do Reserve bank economist know about world financing?

The problem is not my laziness, rather your deciding to once again to jack a thread to push your Atheist views, and willingness to be arrogant and condescending in you attempt to try to sound clever.

Yes why should I listen to anything she has to say on this subject? Why should I have to listen to anything any Atheist has to say about religion? Atheist are only seeking a path of non responsibility and consequences for their action, so you can believe you can do the things God does not allow. Gee if I act like he does not believe he will just go away, and I am free do do anything I want. You are welcome to believe that fallacy, just do not be offended if I avoid your folly.

Will God put me in hell for listening to Atheist? No. If I am silly enough to believe and leave my faith? YES, and that is a good reason not to listen to you jesters.


Your disbelief and conflict with this Reuters report is that it contradicts your own personal belief that religion is bad for societies, and religion's moral ethics do not effect a countries economy or allow for greater prosperity for religious societies. Follow the money

hehehe... how the heck does hell have to do with knowing everything about economics. hell has got nothing to do with economics, that is why i find it ridiculous how Christians like yourself are quick to say "oh, these people believe in HELL---thank GOD they believe in HELL, because if not, then we would be poor as a pig!". it is amusing how hell is injected in the equation. these are only SUGGESTIVE data, they are not concrete.

jacking a thread? you are one funny man.

[jamesmusslewhite]

hehehe... how the heck does hell have to do with knowing everything about economics. hell has got nothing to do with economics, that is why i find it ridiculous how Christians like yourself are quick to say "oh, these people believe in HELL---thank GOD they believe in HELL, because if not, then we would be poor as a pig!". it is amusing how hell is injected in the equation. these are only SUGGESTIVE data, they are not concrete.

jacking a thread? you are one funny man.
Well that is what the Federal study said. I am sure they used your tax money. Do I claim to be an Economist? Are you an Economist? Was she an Economist? The answer was NO for all three. I add the post by the Federal Bank Economist. That was their statement. Do not like it contact them. Disbelieve it all you want. Sue the Federal Government, because I do not care.

Satan, the Great Motivator - The curious economic effects of religion
The curious economic effects of religion - The Boston Globe

Read this article in the Boston Globe about a study done by Harvard Economist, and maybe you will discover your belief on this subject is just wrong. You are just wrong, sorry

[chad_tukes]

Satan, the Great Motivator - The curious economic effects of religion
The curious economic effects of religion - The Boston Globe

Read this article in the Boston Globe about a study done by Harvard Economist, and maybe you will discover your belief on this subject is just wrong. You are just wrong, sorry

maybe if you did your research carefully, you would have known that the Federal Bank in St. Louis was quick to change the subject of their study after numerous people criticized their find. i'm sorry but the link to that article is long gone. no surprise there.

[jamesmusslewhite]

maybe if you did your research carefully, you would have known that the Federal Bank in St. Louis was quick to change the subject of their study after numerous people criticized their find. i'm sorry but the link to that article is long gone. no surprise there.

Wow I found it on their site. Here is the Old Version 2004 July Review Article in question.

http://search.stlouisfed.org/search?...g/publications/re/2004/c/pages/fear_of_hell.cfm+2004+belief+in+Hell+and+World+Eco nomies+le+review.&site=stlfed&client=stlfed&access =p&ie=UTF-8&output=xml_no_dtd&proxystylesheet=stlfed&oe=IS O-8859-1

Yes the sticking point that the activist was that it excluded most Muslim countries which many are very prosperous but suffer from excessive corruption, even though they have a belief in Hell. (Not my words)

Here is the New Revised Version of the 2004 July Review Article
St. Louis Fed | Publications

And this it the Long report
By Kevin L. Kliesen and Frank A. Schmid
This was the Whole Review which was the source that the Federal Reserve Bank 2004 July Review Article used.

[chad_tukes]

Wow I found it on their site. Here is the Old Version 2004 July Review Article in question.

http://search.stlouisfed.org/search?...g/publications/re/2004/c/pages/fear_of_hell.cfm+2004+belief+in+Hell+and+World+Eco nomies+le+review.&site=stlfed&client=stlfed&access =p&ie=UTF-8&output=xml_no_dtd&proxystylesheet=stlfed&oe=IS O-8859-1

Yes the sticking point that the activist was that it excluded most Muslim countries which many are very prosperous but suffer from excessive corruption, even though they have a belief in Hell. (Not my words)

Here is the New Revised Version of the 2004 July Review Article
St. Louis Fed | Publications

And this it the Long report
By Kevin L. Kliesen and Frank A. Schmid

This was the Whole Review which was the source that the Federal Reserve Bank 2004 July Review Article used.

"Over time, a country's economic growth is ultimately a function of growth rates in population and labor productivity (output per hour worked). But since population growth tends to change slowly, a nation's labor productivity growth is what ultimately determines whether it will be rich (high productivity growth) or poor (low productivity growth)."

it's direct to the point. no further explanation needed.

but here's the interesting part:

"According to the secularization hypothesis, as a country's inhabitants become richer and more educated, their faith in religion and religious institutions wanes, and they attend church less regularly."

ooppss... nice try James.