withdrawal of support

[FK]

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was withdrawal of support during EDSA II that massive? or Angie Reyes is just eyeing for a much better opportunity in GMA administration? hmmm...

[tolstoi]

was withdrawal of support during EDSA II that massive?

that depends on what "massive" to you is =)

[FK]

that depends on what "massive" to you is =)

i mean the military aspect...

[tolstoi]

that depends on what "massive" to you is =)

i mean the military aspect...

in military aspect, if the top hunchos withdraw their support that means all the ranks below also withdraw their support..that's what military hierarchy is all about.

[istoryador]

The withdrawal of support to Erap was only decided by 4 people. Anggie Reyes, the chiefs of the Army, Navy and the Air Force. The division, brigade, battallion and company commanders and the ordinary foot soldier were not consulted.

And thats how easy GMA will be ousted if these 4 people will decide to withdraw support.

[wanderlust]

The connotation of withdrawal of support coming from the military is equivalent to the idea that the president is without an armed forces which could protect him or her. In our present constitution, the idea of withdrawal of support was never mentioned. Hence, the emergence of the term "extra-legal". It is not seemed illegal if the people will join them, as in the case of two edsa's. However, if the people won't heed the call of the withdrawal of support, then that would be illegal because the soldiers, in this case, are already breaking the chain of command.

The thread starter is right. There are loopholes in the present constitution which we cannot validly answer in certainty. Hence, the circumstances will really take us to the idea that we should be amending the constitution so as to answer the gray areas our society is contemplating today.

I don't think there is any fear that the so-called "withdrawal of support" will extend to more than the few discredited military officers. The circumstances are very much different from those which attended the massive withdrawal of support from Erap, including as it did the entire AFP and the entire PNP. As it is, the AFP are still very much behind GMA as she has clearly been supportive of reforms in the military. It is unavoidable that the military should have their own power play within their ranks, but the unrest can hardly be as the media portrays it (sensationalized).

that is a very good point wanderlust and that point was mention i think in debata GMA7 by mike vs digs..,, for me it would be much better if we can finally define it in the new constitution and plug all loopholes or avenues that could be use by the military or part of the military or anyone in the goverment that had a gun to change or overthrow by any means violent or peaceful any sitting civilian government and we will never have this lame withdrawal of support edsa s**t from happening again in 2010 or 2030 ,2040 etc....and follow the book strictly in any political problem......

We should exert all efforts to insulate the AFP from politics, pursuant to the principle of civilian supremacy over the military. Traitorous acts of some elements of the military should be severely dealt with, in accordance with law. By thus doing, and by refraining from glamorizing these traitorous acts as the media does, we can promote a proper sense of duty in the military, in addition to giving them the benefits that are justly due to them.

[FK]

in military aspect, if the top hunchos withdraw their support that means all the ranks below also withdraw their support..that's what military hierarchy is all about.

so i will not call it massive then. and the poor footsoldiers can't do anything.

We should exert all efforts to insulate the AFP from politics, pursuant to the principle of civilian supremacy over the military. Traitorous acts of some elements of the military should be severely dealt with, in accordance with law. By thus doing, and by refraining from glamorizing these traitorous acts as the media does, we can promote a proper sense of duty in the military, in addition to giving them the benefits that are justly due to them.

I agree... but just wondering how the ordinary soldiers feel when the promotions are highly politicize?

Unfortunately since EDSA nasulod na jud ang politics sa military... kay i was thinking back them, kng wala to ang support sa military we will not be able to overthrow a corrupt government by ourselves. tsk... tsk... tsk...

[istoryador]

BREAKING NEWS!

Gen. Generoso Senga admits he was also used in cheating!

AN ‘ADMISSION’ by Armed Forces Chief of Staff Gen. Generoso Senga that he was also “used” to cheat in the May 2004 elections showed Senga supported the plan by rebel soldiers to withdraw support for President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, an Inquirer source privy to the plot said.

According to the source, Senga issued the admission in the presence of Brigadier General Danilo Lim, Marines Colonel Ariel Querubin and Major General Rodrigo Maclang hours before Lim and Querubin were to lead a military breakaway march on EDSA (Epifanio delos Santos Avenue) on the morning of Feb. 24.

The source, a key player of the planned breakaway march who granted the Inquirer a personal interview during the week, quoted Senga as having told them that “I was also used in the cheating.”

“Why would General Senga confess his role in the May 2004 elections if he did not agree with the plot?” said the Inquirer military source.

[Freeza]

BREAKING NEWS!

Gen. Generoso Senga admits he was also used in cheating!

AN ‘ADMISSION’ by Armed Forces Chief of Staff Gen. Generoso Senga that he was also “used” to cheat in the May 2004 elections showed Senga supported the plan by rebel soldiers to withdraw support for President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, an Inquirer source privy to the plot said.

According to the source, Senga issued the admission in the presence of Brigadier General Danilo Lim, Marines Colonel Ariel Querubin and Major General Rodrigo Maclang hours before Lim and Querubin were to lead a military breakaway march on EDSA (Epifanio delos Santos Avenue) on the morning of Feb. 24.

The source, a key player of the planned breakaway march who granted the Inquirer a personal interview during the week, quoted Senga as having told them that “I was also used in the cheating.”

“Why would General Senga confess his role in the May 2004 elections if he did not agree with the plot?” said the Inquirer military source.

lol i just saw in abs cbn news this morning SEnga says its all untrue. by the way istoryador may i ask are u the same with the one er i remember the one with that saint avatar name MOSIMOS?

[istoryador]

General Senga is all about denials. But you know his body language is obvious. He is uncomfortable with his statements. General Senga will always deny for sure.