Man, Know Thyself & Who Am I - What Does It Really Mean

[patrizekirsten]

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So, which is more accurate, "I think therefore I am or I am therefore I think"?

cogito, ergo sum! hehhe Father?

[regnauld]

cigto, ergo sum! hehhe Father?

hahaha Msgr? Are you sure? That's Descartes error!

[patrizekirsten]

hahaha Msgr? Are you sure? That's Descartes error!

hehhe failed ko sa imo quiz.

[regnauld]

hehhe failed ko sa imo quiz.

No. You are just being too humble as devil's advocate!

[Lovely Charm]

there was never a subject, this is the greatest prejudice of rational psychology.

Make yourself clear dong, what is this subject your referring to,,& based on your explanation to regnauld your confusing the issue

comment kanang comment na walang explanation,,stop trying to be smart alick,,,i can see you through,,,well its so easy since i sniffed already your breed-that your a boxed catholic adorn w/
school textbook philosophical terms

used plain english dong,,cause its not cool,,its so cheesy,, your attempt to sound very philosophical will not hide the weight of your understanding,

or Maybe your just confused w/ the word "subjective".

sige nga try to answer the question- w/c is appropriate to your mental pedigree-

I think therefore i am? or
I am therefore i think?

[patrizekirsten]

"I think therfore I am" when individualites in the stage of evolution has been reached and Man is now a thinker . The I am has now posses the active Manas and differs from other Monads ( I am) who have net yet reached the evolution of Man. Beacuse Man is the really a Thinker or Manas from the root word man.

"I am therefore I think" what about those Monads who are still in the mineral kingdom, have they posses the Manas?

In fairness to Descartes, i would like to know if hes speaking metaphysically or just saying it..

[regnauld]

"I think therfore I am" when individualites in the stage of evolution has been reached and Man is now a thinker . The I am has now posses the active Manas and differs from other Monads ( I am) who have net yet reached the evolution of Man. Beacuse Man is the really a Thinker or Manas from the root word man.

"I am therefore I think" what about those Monads who are still in the mineral kingdom, have they posses the Manas?

In fairness to Descartes, i would like to know if hes speaking metaphysically or just saying it..

In Theosophy msgr. I learned that everything (from manas) has consciousness or BEING but the question is a matter of degree or stages of conscousness! Man of course is more conscious than the mineral and animal kingdom!

[patrizekirsten]

In Theosophy msgr. I learned that everything (from manas) has consciousness or BEING but the question is a matter of degree or stages of conscousness! Man of course is more conscious than the mineral and animal kingdom!

Yes, when the One Life reflects everything (matter) it becomes consciousness or units of consciusness. Hence the One becomes the many. ..

[regnauld]

Yes, when the One Life reflects everything (matter) it becomes consciousness or units of consciusness. Hence the One becomes the many. ..

That's very profound msgr!

[Lovely Charm]

no. i am not.

but Subject, i refer to "Ego" the notion of the self. yes? so, one of these prejudices that there is a subject runs throughout the history of psychology (rational psychology) you might want to correct me on this. Perhaps, one of the more famous one is Descartes with his famous dictum of I think therefore i am, which has reduced man as thinking being, (also an extended being). Man is defined as a thinking being, which supports the earlier claim of Aristotle (man is a rational being), but either ways, this quality attributed to man, defines his Subjectivity, being a subject, as something given by God or endowed by Nature. that is what i do not agree with, because the conception fo the "I" "Ako" "Ego" "subject" is created by Man himself, we are created identities, or better yet, imagined identities.

The notion of the self?
can you make yourself clear dong, who decides for himself?
what is being irrational w/ rational psychology?

Descarte was right to some degree,,,as a materialist thinker.

Granting your right that the concept of the "I" is created by man himself, or as what you said imagined identities (w/c concept i dont have problems with)
so whats your problem w/ that?

whats your better understanding,,,objectively or subjectively speaking dong?