CPR Unconstitutional

[gareb]

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tolstoi:

it maybe unconstitutional, but CPR has served its purpose in taming those who have planned to wreck the Phil economy..the SC decision is just way too late.

for the President to declare executive orders that have, at its onset, been deemed as unconstitutional, an now finally confirmed by the Supreme Court, says a lot about what kind of president we have.

comes into mind that thing about power corrupting absolutely, does it no?

Freeza:

heheehehe ofcourse its unconstitutional ........everybody knows it ...

but we allowed the president to continue in what is now a violation of the constitution. how many more violations will the president commit and how much longer will we allow her to?

PissKhanXXX:

look at the Solomon Islands... do you want the Philippines to suffer the same hardships?

only if, like the PM, gloria resigns then at least we have a chance.

[PissKhanXXX]

gareb

bringing up the situation in the Solomon Islands was to liken their people to all the whining and lack of cooperation of some of our countrymen. some claim of their strife to be for the people, the country, a perfect world. and yet, it can be clearly seen that their moves are calculated to further their personal gains.

i am situated 5 minutes away from the parliament house; had buildings looted and burnt to the ground a kilometre away from where i'm at. unfortunately, i had come at the wrong time to visit folks...

[gareb]

PissKhanXXX

violence of such magnitude does not spurt spontaneously unprovoked. what appears to be the provocation of this series of violence in the Solomon Islands is the conviction that the elections were rigged.

to focus merely on the effects and not the causes of such violence and destruction is short-sighted. when a supposedly democratic country betrays its own people through the very democratic institutions that espouse such ideology, can you blame a people when it exercises direct action?

while looting, and destruction of buildings such as what you have observed are deplorable, it is but a manifestation of anarchy that results when people see that the social institutions that it has made to preserve order, (rule of law, socio-political order) can no longer be afforded any trust or collapses.

in a larger social context, we must see that violence and destruction are direct consequences when we compromise democracy and its institutions. it is the same there in the Solomon Islands. it is the same here in the Philippines.

[PissKhanXXX]

gareb

your points are so valid and have nailed it spot on!

the outrage in the Solomon Islands did not happen out of nothing. the politicians themselves instigated the riots. with that, the rascals mustered enough guts after getting their backing from the 'big men'. the looting and burning down of establishments were not of their distrust of the law, it was more of opportunistic robbery.

this is what happens when people abuse democracy.

[Freeza]

Freeza:

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heheehehe ofcourse its unconstitutional ........everybody knows it ...
but we allowed the president to continue in what is now a violation of the constitution. how many more violations will the president commit and how much longer will we allow her to?
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yes the decision is to be expectedÂ* its a catch ............it is violation of the constituion today but at the time it was declaredÂ* as a defensive move its a grey area it can be considered a grey areaÂ* precedent does not exist ........it is oneÂ* of the necessary moves unfortunately but it has to be done or else another EDSA mutiny s**t could happen ..

theÂ* executive had to improvise within the limits of the lawÂ* because thats the same thing the other side is doing testing the limitsÂ* of freedom to the boundary of absolute....

after all their agenda is not just to protest but to overthrow the currentÂ* governmentÂ* thru another lame edsa or other illegal means.............if they cant wait for another election why just they wait for another impeachment who knows they might just succeed in that way there wont be any protracted political warfare and the country can move normally

[gareb]

Freeza:

and now that the Supreme Court has finally decided that the CPR is unconstitutional, shouldn't the president then be held accountable for this violation of the constitution, not to mention the abuses that may have been done under this executive order, provided that, as you have mentioned, everybody knew that it was unconstitutional at the first place?

[mosimos]

PissKhanXXX

violence of such magnitude does not spurt spontaneously unprovoked. what appears to be the provocation of this series of violence in the Solomon Islands is the conviction that the elections were rigged.

to focus merely on the effects and not the causes of such violence and destruction is short-sighted. when a supposedly democratic country betrays its own people through the very democratic institutions that espouse such ideology, can you blame a people when it exercises direct action?

while looting, and destruction of buildings such as what you have observed are deplorable, it is but a manifestation of anarchy that results when people see that the social institutions that it has made to preserve order, (rule of law, socio-political order) can no longer be afforded any trust or collapses.

in a larger social context, we must see that violence and destruction are direct consequences when we compromise democracy and its institutions. it is the same there in the Solomon Islands. it is the same here in the Philippines.

Ot: Wow, this one is for the books. Moderator vs. moderato! . They're so cute. Mark this day guys! I salute both of them for being professional to each other.

[mosimos]

Freeza:

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heheehehe ofcourse its unconstitutional ........everybody knows it ...
but we allowed the president to continue in what is now a violation of the constitution. how many more violations will the president commit and how much longer will we allow her to?


yes the decision is to be expected its a catch ............it is violation of the constituion today but at the time it was declared as a defensive move its a grey area it can be considered a grey area precedent does not exist ........it is one of the necessary moves unfortunately but it has to be done or else another EDSA mutiny s**t could happen ..

the executive had to improvise within the limits of the law because thats the same thing the other side is doing testing the limits of freedom to the boundary of absolute....

after all their agenda is not just to protest but to overthrow the current government thru another lame edsa or other illegal means.............if they cant wait for another election why just they wait for another impeachment who knows they might just succeed in that way there wont be any protracted political warfare and the country can move normally

The people did not allow her to do it freeze. She is doing it AGAINST THE WILL of the people. Thats why people go to the Supreme Court because of this crystal clear violation of the Constitution by the President.

BTW, what do you mean "improvise within the bounds of the law?" The President will either respect the law or violate it. It has no right to "improvise" the law. She has no power to do that. She should ask Congress instead of arrogating her power on some thing which is already beyond her powers to do so.

The people has the right to protest. If the government is overthrown incidentally because of street protest, so be it. Thats the most demonstrative and actual depiction of the phrase "the sovereignty of the government emanates from the people."

[Freeza]

Freeza:

and now that the Supreme Court has finally decided that the CPR is unconstitutional, shouldn't the president then be held accountable for this violation of the constitution, not to mention the abuses that may have been done under this executive order, provided that, as you have mentioned, everybody knew that it was unconstitutional at the first place?

oh yeah we can say Â*the executive branch is just being a smart ass remember they can still use it technicaly .... without finality they can Â* but anyway both sides are playing smart ass both are in the edge of legality..

yes Â*no one can be stopped to file charges against the excutive branch or president for Â*the violation Â*of the law.... but Â*we can have an intelligent guess on wjhat will happen to those charges ...the excutive had a good defense if it comes to that

its majority a vote so i guess everybody knows it or Â*let me rephrase Â*many people knew thats it was Â*unconstitional but Obvious as Â*it is there is still a process Â*and there is a grey area so why dont use it to avoid anarchy or another lame edsa mutiny Â*...everyone can question it in court after all.... Â* Â*its a legitimate political excersise of the executive branch which was acted upon by the judiciary it is well within or to the extreme within the edge of acceptable democracy....

[mosimos]

Do you mean to say the President knowing that CPR is illegal will still do it and pray that the Supreme Court will declare it legal later?


If the President as the first law abiding citizen of the country know that his act has no bases in law, wouldnt be her duty not to proceed with it in the first place.

She is supposed to be a President and her main function is to see to it that the laws are respected and followed and not to do illegal acts just to save herself or protect her own selfish interest.