Prayer for the Dead

[akosabni]

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prayers for the dead bro.

yes bro, that's what i'm driving at, are prayers for the dead can only be performed by a living person? apparently baliguat, doesn't think so ... and so do i

[baliguat]

no need to pray for dead, only God can judge them

Yes you have a point, But what about the communion of Saints?

[r3roble]

i think we need to pray for them..

so that when it's our time, someone will pray for us also...

[baliguat]

Bingo bro. roble

[raket4u]

Unsa may kahimtang sa mga patay? Naa pa d i na cla memory? naa pa d i na cla mahimo? I don't think there is pa. When a person dies his memory is gone( Psalm 146:4), he/she falls into a deep sleep(John11:11-14) Christ testified; he/she knows nothing(Eccleciastes 9:5, 6,10. Bisan unsaon nato ug ampo para nila wla nay resulta coz they're probation is over. They will only have to wait for Jesus' second coming, kon cla maapil sa 1st resurrection the better(1 tes. 4:16) kay nag pasabot nga luwas cila pero kon hikaplagan gani nila ang ila kaugalingon sa 2nd resurrection sorry cla. Therefore, kita nga mga buhi has to continue to work for out for our salvation dili na paabuton ang close of probation(kamatayon). God bless everyone and read your BIBLE that you may spiritually grow. For the BIBLE speaks for itself.

[raket4u]

Originally posted by necrotic freak:
"From the beginning, Christians have prayed for the dead and have undertaken works of penance on their behalf. There is scriptural basis for this intercessory prayer for the sins of others and for the dead in the Old Testament. Job's sacrifices purified his sons (Job 1:5);"

In the olden times, Jews made sacrifices to purify themselves and consecrate for God. When Job made hi sacrificial offering and prayed for his kids, buhi paba iya mga anak ato o patay na? (Job1:5) The jewish religion never dead prayed for the dead not even Job and it was never introduced by Christ himself. Let's pray and make intercession for the living not for the dead for the dead could no longer hear it.(Eccleciastes 9:5,6,10) God be praised for He is the God of the living.

[aztina888]

does it say in the Bible that praying for the dead is a sin? does it say in the Bible that "DONT PRAY FOR THE DEAD"? if you theres such a verse that say so i will not pray for them souls, but till then, il still try to pray to God for them.....

[baliguat]

Aye to you bro aztina888

[SPIKE_CSA]

does it say in the Bible that praying for the dead is a sin? does it say in the Bible that "DONT PRAY FOR THE DEAD"? if you theres such a verse that say so i will not pray for them souls, but till then, il still try to pray to God for them.....

wala jud bitaw literally gisuwat sa bible nga "DONT PRAY FOR THE DEAD" but still it is a sin. there are a lot of sins in the bible nga wala jud literally gisuwat nga "dont..."

kani man gud ang prayer for the dead connection man gud ni sa purgatory nga wala sad ni exist. basta ang tinood wala jud maski isa ka apostle ni Jesus Christ nga nagtudlo sa mga first century christians to pray for the dead.

maski pa si st. paul, st. luke, st. matthew ug maski kinsa pa wala jud nagtudlo ana.

[botslob]

naa sa bible ang prayer for the dead. di man na magpataka ang catholic church og mugna mugna og doktrina. mao nay mga sakit sa ubang pagtoo kay dayon lag labay og lapok. dia ang ebidensya ay.

Why Pray for the Dead?

Q: Anti Catholics say that the Bible contains no references to purgatory. What is the basis for the Catholic Church’s teaching about this? Why do Catholics pray for the dead?

A: In 2 Maccabees 12:38-46, Judas Maccabee orders that sacrifices be offered in the Temple in Jerusalem for slain Jewish soldiers who had worn pagan amulets (good-luck charms).

Some people have seen this story as biblical justification for the teaching on purgatory. That certainly overstates the author’s intention. If, however, those Jewish soldiers did something wrong by wearing pagan amulets, why offer sacrifices on their behalf?

The two Books of Maccabees are probably not in your friend’s Bible because they were originally written in Greek. During Jesus’ lifetime, some Jewish people regarded these books as inspired by God.

About 60 years after Jesus’ death, however, rabbis at Jamnia in Palestine drew up the list (canon) of the Scriptures used by Jewish people to this day. That shorter list includes only works composed in Hebrew, excluding the two Books of Maccabees, five other books and parts of the Books of Daniel and Esther.

For centuries, Eastern and Western Christians accepted as inspired the longer list. When Martin Luther translated the Bible, he used the shorter list. Sometimes, these seven books are printed in Protestant Bibles as “Deutero-canonical” or “Apocrypha.”

The New Testament and early Christian writings offer some evidence for purgatory. In 2 Timothy 1:18, St. Paul prays for Onesiphorus, who has died. The earliest mention of prayers for the dead in public Christian worship is by the writer Tertullian in 211 A.D.

The question of purgatory and praying for the dead was a major issue between Catholics and Protestants in the 16th century. The Council of Trent’s 1563 decree about purgatory reaffirmed its existence and the usefulness of prayers for the deceased, yet it cautioned against “a certain kind of curiosity or superstition...” about it.

The Roman Catholic teaching on purgatory reflects its understanding of the communion of saints. We are connected to the saints in heaven, the saints-in-waiting in purgatory and other believers here on earth. Prayers for the deceased are not a means of buying their way out of purgatory.

The Catholic Church’s teaching about purgatory (Catechism of the Catholic Church, #1030-32) says that all sin, unfortunately, has a life of its own and may have bad effects even after the sinner repents. Sincere repentance includes a desire to repair the damage done by one’s sins. That may or may not be complete before the person dies.

When the world ends at the Final Judgment, there will be only two possibilities: heaven and hell. We who celebrate Jesus’ Resurrection over sin and death look forward to sharing in that victory, and we pray that our beloved dead may do the same.

source: Ask a Franciscan: Purgatory and Praying for the Dead - November 2000 Issue of St. Anthony Messenger Magazine Online