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  1. #11

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede


    I'll humor the leftists...

    What if ERAP was President when this unfortunate stampede happened? Â*Would they blame him too?

  2. #12

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by FK
    and DOJ Sec. Gonzales blames Willie...

    kay tungod kono siya ang nangita sa prizes apil siya.

    bright sab ni atong DOJ dah... pwera gaba.

    kong naa giduslak sa Lotto kay gitulis og gikuha ang ticket. liable sab ang nagpasiugda sa Lotto.

    DOJ Sec. did not blame Willie.Â* He said during the interview that even the Host could possibly face charges and that no one from the show or station was yet off the hook.

    Our DOJ Secretary maybe a little bit old but he is definitely not stupid.Â* Even Justice Narvasa, he was corrupt and evil but not stupid.

  3. #13

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    COME ON!!!! don't tell me "all" undesirable incidents are traceable to GMA's presidency?!?! I wouldn't be surprised (that someday) people will blame GMA for Budoy not winning PBB?!!?

  4. #14

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    As for Revillame, Gonzalez said it did not help that the show’s organizers had admitted that the comedian had taken the “responsibility of getting the prizes, the sponsors, etc.” for the show.

    “He may still have (a liability) because there is a wide application of the principle of proximate cause. What is the proximate cause of the stampede? It was because there was a show like that … and eventually the prizes,” he said.
    how do you interpret this sentence? a brilliant one? Is their a part of the law in our land that tells about it?

  5. #15

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by FK
    and DOJ Sec. Gonzales blames Willie...

    kay tungod kono siya ang nangita sa prizes apil siya.

    bright sab ni atong DOJ dah... pwera gaba.

    kong naa giduslak sa Lotto kay gitulis og gikuha ang ticket. liable sab ang nagpasiugda sa Lotto.
    Gonzalez concluding even the fact finding commission had not submitted their findings yet.

    thats justice.

  6. #16

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    You are putting words to the DOJ Secretary's mouth.

    Read here, http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net...e.justice.html


    and to quote...

    Gonzalez said not even "Wowowee" host Willie Revillame is cleared of liability, since it was learned that he induced the attendance of the audience by claiming huge gift surprises such as a house and lot package worth over P2 million and a passenger jeepney for lucky audiences.

    Legally, a proximate cause is defined as that which in the natural and ordinary sequence of events is broken by new and independent causes, producing another event that would not have otherwise occurred.

    "The gathering itself is the proximate cause, negligence of the organizers is in there, which progressed into the occurrence of the stampede," he said.

    He said the organizers of the show and the management of Philsports Arena failed to make sufficient provisions on security even after being forewarned about possible overcrowding.

    In that case, the organizers acted in bad faith because they could have opted to have the show held in a bigger venue to accommodate their live audience, Gonzalez said, citing initial reports that ABS-CBN had pushed on with the show despite receiving reports of about 30,000 people wanting to enter the stadium that only has an 18,000 capacity.

    He said the fact that the crowd was getting unruly is not an excuse for a security lapse. "That is not an excuse because ABS-CBN assumed the responsibility of the crowd control within the perimeter given to them in the permit issued by the local government," Gonzalez said.


    Ka-klaro anang gi-sulti ug eksplanasyon ni DOJ Sec. Gonzales nganong ato pa man gyud i-complicate ug tu-is tu-ison ang iyang gi-sulti?!

    and besides what the DOJ Sec. said is not the decision of the committee or the court. He was not concluding but was merely speculating and stating the possibilities. Hahaay...

    LET'S NOT MAKE A POLITICAL FUSS OUT OF THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE.


  7. #17

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    again where in the law is this "proximate cause" written?

    and btw i was not putting words to Gonzales mouth... i just quoted him from the inquirer.

    and using his "proximate cause" the Leftist could be right... the people go to Ultra because Willie intice them with prizes... because they are poor... and GMA failed to help the poor...

    btw i don't agree with Gabriella blaming GMA for the stampede because i don't believe in DOJ secretary's "proximate cause". For me it's just plain stupid.

    and this thread is political by nature cause it involves the leftist.

  8. #18

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    ang grabiela!! nagsakay2x lagn na cla sa publicity atong stampede!! what a non sense group!!!

  9. #19

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    with a nonsense cause

  10. #20

    Default Re: Leftists blame GLORIA for Ultra Stampede

    Quote Originally Posted by FK
    again where in the law is this "proximate cause" written?

    and btw i was not putting words to Gonzales mouth... i just quoted him from the inquirer.

    and using his "proximate cause" the Leftist could be right... the people go to Ultra because Willie intice them with prizes... because they are poor... and GMA failed to help the poor...

    btw i don't agree with Gabriella blaming GMA for the stampede because i don't believe in DOJ secretary's "proximate cause". For me it's just plain stupid.

    and this thread is political by nature cause it involves the leftist.

    i am aware you quoted him but it was your interpretation that placed words on his mouth.

    i won't dignify this because i know what i know, you know what you know, people know what they know and the COURTS know what to know. it's that simple and not you or me CAN DO do anything about it.

    and btw, the last statement was funny. i still agree otherwise. hehe!!

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