LA LIGA & REAL MADRID

[fingolfin]

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another brazilian winning the FIFA Footballer of The Year: RONALDHINO.........why are this people so good in football. hahaha. Another talent to watch is new REal aquisition ROBINHO from Santos.

[Madeus]

Madrid was very lucky while ago.

Could have been Sevilla 5-0 Real Madrid.

[Von!-x]

Ronaldhino somewhat snubbed Chelsea offers in the past. But now he shows some interests in the EPL's Chelsea.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlin...319759&cc=4716

Chelsea is my favorite (not necessarily for the players). Both Arsenal and Real are in my top five.

[Madeus]

I like chelsea's players but not as a club.

Lampard is class.

Arjen Robben is lethal.

Mourinho is an excellent boss.

I believe they will beat Barca.

I also think that Real doesnt need Robinho or any additional star player. They need managers like Mourinho, Deschamps or Wenger.

[Von!-x]

@ Madeus: I am a fan of Mourinho since he was at Porto. I'm not at all familiar with the players of Chelsea except that I read about the acquistion of Drogba. I still have to read bios ans stats of the players. I did happen to read an articles a few years ago about the takeover by Abramovich.

As for Real, Arsenal, Porto, Man U and Chelsea, i hope them all the best in the Champions League.

[fingolfin]

.........Mourinho shocked the rest of the world when they won the ECC. Port was a team then. Dedier Deshamps was a good player when he was still with France and it reflected in his coaching. And as far as Ronaldhino is concern, he will be at the Nou Camp for a long time.


....Real need their old manager back; Del Bosque. That man gave them 3 ECC in 5 years. Quiroz was a shame, and this Remon guy is slowing getting it done. hopefully.

..by the way in terms history and class only AC Milan can rival Madrid.

[raul julia]

way to go fing, sorry got busy and were not able to defend madrid......hey madeus, how do u consider a team to be succesful, is it only for his current standing??do you not wonder why real madrid is considered to be the team of the century?? well, here is ur stats.......

UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
YEAR WINNER LOSER SCORE

1956 REAL MADRID REIMS 4-3
1957 REAL MADRID FIORENTINA 2-0
1958 REAL MADRID A.C. MILAN 3-2
1959 REAL MADRID REIMS 2-0
1960 REAL MADRID EIN. FRANKFURT 7-3
1961 BENFICA BARCELONA 3-2
1962 BENFICA REAL MADRID 5-3
1963 A.C. MILAN BENFICA 2-1
1964 INTERNAZIONALE REAL MADRID 3-1
1965 INTERNAZIONALE BENFICA 1-0
1966 REAL MADRID PARTIZAN 2-1
1967 CELTIC INTERNAZIONALE 2-1
1968 MAN. UNITED BENFICA 4-1
1969 A.C. MILAN AJAX 4-1
1970 FEYENOORD CELTIC 2-1
1971 AJAX PANATHINAIKOS 2-0
1972 AJAX INTERNAZIONALE 2-0
1973 AJAX JUVENTUS 1-0
1974 BAYERN MUNCHEN ATLETICO MADRID 1-1/4-0'
1975 BAYERN MUNCHEN LEEDS 2-0
1976 BAYERN MUNCHEN ST. ETIENNE 1-0
1977 LIVERPOOL BOR. M'GLADBACH 3-1
1978 LIVERPOOL CLUB BRUGGE 1-0
1979 NOTT'M FOREST MALMO 1-0
1980 NOTT'M FOREST HAMBURG 1-0
1981 LIVERPOOL REAL MADRID 1-0
1982 ASTON VILLA BAYERN MUNCHEN 1-0
1983 HAMBURG JUVENTUS 1-0
1984 LIVERPOOL ROMA 1-1/4-2
1985 JUVENTUS LIVERPOOL 1-0
1986 STEAUA BUCHAREST BARCELONA 0-0/2-0
1987 PORTO BAYERN MUNCHEN 2-1
1988 PSV EINDHOVEN BENFICA 0-0/6-5
1989 A.C. MILAN STEAUA 4-0
1990 A.C. MILAN BENFICA 1-0
1991 CRVENA ZVEZDA OLYMP.MARSEILLE 0-0/5-3
1992 BARCELONA SAMPDORIA 1-0
1993 OLYMP.MARSEILLE A.C. MILAN 1-0
1994 A.C. MILAN BARCELONA 4-0
1995 AJAX A.C. MILAN 1-0
1996 JUVENTUS AJAX 1-1/4-2
1997 BOR. DORTMUND JUVENTUS 3-1
1998 REAL MADRID JUVENTUS 1-0
1999 MAN. UNITED BAYERN MUNCHEN 2-1
2000 REAL MADRID VALENCIA 3-0
2001 BAYERN MUNCHEN VALENCIA 1-1/5-4
2002 REAL MADRID BAYER LEVERKUSEN 2-1
2003 A.C. MILAN JUVENTUS 0-0/4-3
2004 PORTO MONACO 3-0

did u see any ARSENAL?hmmmmm,they did not even reach the final.tsktsktsk......well if u really like Arsenal then im happy for u, but pls, dnt tell us they're better than real madrid, they dont even come close..........

[fingolfin]

.............yep, it just so happens that last year was the worst for Madrid and the best for Arsenal, one year won't cover everything. It goes to prove that the world is round "one day you're up and one day you're down". But never downsize Real for one clumsy season, maybe two, cause this year seems going astray in terms in league. But I guess their main goal now is to win the ECC. Get their tenth. And all will be forgotten.

[Madeus]

Raul julia,

Who told you that if your the winner of champions league is always the best team? It's not always the best team because of the format (knock out system).

Do you know that domestic league is always priotized ? You can ask every manager or read some articles why it is always prioritized. Why? Because if you're the winner in domestic league then you're consistent.

Madrid might be good in history but it's era seems ending.

Also my original argument was, with the current team, Madrid is overrated. Is it difficult to accept that fact?

[raul julia]

Madeus said-"Do you know that domestic league is always priotized ? You can ask every manager or read some articles why it is always prioritized. Why? Because if you're the winner in domestic league then you're consistent. "



okey so lets go domestic, let us see,,,,hmmm real has won 29 spanish league titles....
1931-32 1956-57 1962-63 1967-68 1975-76 1985-86 1989-90
1932-33 1957-58 1963-64 1968-69 1977-78 1986-87 1994-95
1953-54 1960-61 1964-65 1971-72 1978-79 1987-88 1996-97
1954-55 1961-62 1966-67 1974-75 1979-80 1988-89 2000-01
2002-03

as u can see they won 5 straight la liga titles two times.....1960-61 to 1964-65 and 1985-86 to 1989-90.....
never mind the 9 european champions cup(which they won also 5 straight 1955-56 to 1959-60) because u dont believe in them

well, if u dont call that consistency then maybe u should check ur dictionary........

now lets go over to EPL and check ur arsenal....hmmmmmm

2002-2003 Manchester United
2001-2002 Arsenal
2000-2001 Manchester United
1999-2000 Manchester United
1998-99 Manchester United
1997-98 Arsenal
1996-97 Manchester United
1995-96 Manchester United
1994-95 Blackburn Rovers
1993-94 Manchester United
1992-93 Manchester United
1991-92 Leeds United
1990-91 Arsenal
1989-90 Liverpool
1988-89 Arsenal
1987-88 Liverpool
1986-87 Everton
1984-85 Everton
1982-83 Liverpool
1980-81 Aston Villa
1979-80 Liverpool
1978-79 Liverpool
1977-78 Nottingham Forest
1976-77 Liverpool
1975-76 Liverpool
1974-75 Derby County
1973-74 Leeds United
1972-73 Liverpool
1971-72 Derby County
1970-71 Arsenal
1969-70 Everton
1968-69 Leeds United
1967-68 Manchester City
1966-67 Manchester United
1965-66 Liverpool
1964-65 Manchester United
1963-64 Liverpool
1962-63 Everton
1961-62 Ipswich Town
1960-61 Tottenham Hotspur
1959-60 Burnley FC
1958-59 Wolverhampton Wanderers
1957-58 Wolverhampton Wanderers
1956-57 Manchester United
1955-56 Manchester United
1954-55 Chelsea
1953-54 Wolverhampton Wanderers
1952-53 Arsenal
1951-52 Manchester United
1950-51 Tottenham Hotspur
1949-50 Portsmouth FC
1948-49 Portsmouth FC
1947-48 Arsenal
1946-47 Liverpool
*1940-45 (world wars)
1939-40 Blackpool FC
1938-39 Everton
1937-38 Arsenal
1936-37 Manchester City
1935-36 Sunderland AFC
1934-35 Arsenal
1933-34 Arsenal
1932-33 Arsenal
1931-32 Everton
1930-31 Arsenal
1929-30 Sheffield Wednesday
1928-29 The Wednesday FC
1927-28 Everton
1926-27 Newcastle United
1925-26 Huddersfield Town AFC
1924-25 Huddersfield Town AFC
1923-24 Huddersfield Town AFC
1922-23 Liverpool
1921-22 Liverpool
1920-21 Burnley FC
1919-20 West Bromwich Albion
*1915-19
1914-15 Everton
1913-14 Blackburn Rovers
1912-13 Sunderland AFC
1911-12 Blackburn Rovers
1910-11 Manchester United
1909-10 Aston Villa
1908-09 Newcastle United
1907-08 Manchester United
1906-07 Newcastle United
1905-06 Liverpool
1904-05 Newcastle United
1903-04 The Wednesday FC
1902-03 The Wednesday FC
1901-02 Sunderland AFC
1900-01 Liverpool
1899-1900 Aston Villa
1898-1899 Aston Villa
1897-1898 Sheffield United
1896-1897 Aston Villa
1895-1896 Aston Villa
1894-1895 Sunderland
1893-1894 Aston Villa
1892-1893 Sunderland AFC
1891-1892 Sunderland AFC
1890-1891 Everton
1889-1890 Preston North End
1888-1889 Preston North End

let me count.....its 12 but pls do check maybe i've mis-counted......and theyve won it 3 straight once from 1932-33 to 1934-35...

okey so who's more consistent now??.......tsk.tsk.tsk u should have check........




"Also my original argument was, with the current team, Madrid is overrated. Is it difficult to accept that fact?"

>Overrated? no....Maybe they've got tired of winning.......sometimes consistency tends to bore anybody.........