Is Creationist Science Worth Believing?

[Jollibee]

up ko ani!!...pero di ko support nimo nga atheist kang dako....sabot??

what do you mean? di ka mo tuo atheist ko?.. or di ka mo tuo atheism in itself?

May I ask you...

Do you believe in ROMAN/GREEK GODS?

If not... then you are an aethiest to the Roman Gods..

well me my friend..

Im just an atheist to a Judeo-Christian God..

And what do you have against atheism anyway?...

do you have bad pre-concieved notions about them that are being spoonfed to you by your parents, teacher or media?

Atheist are regular people... same as christians... they can have the ability to GOOD or BAD things... coz you may agree that "the golden rule" is not exclusive to christians alone... it is even more concievable that it just came out of plain old "common sense"

[dulpeks]

what do you mean? di ka mo tuo atheist ko?.. or di ka mo tuo atheism in itself?

May I ask you...

Do you believe in ROMAN/GREEK GODS?

If not... then you are an aethiest to the Roman Gods..

well me my friend..

Im just an atheist to a Judeo-Christian God..

And what do you have against atheism anyway?...

do you have bad pre-concieved notions about them that are being spoonfed to you by your parents, teacher or media?

Atheist are regular people... same as christians... they can have the ability to GOOD or BAD things... coz you may agree that "the golden rule" is not exclusive to christians alone... it is even more concievable that it just came out of plain old "common sense"

sakto sad ka...so unsa man diay imo gituohan??

[Jollibee]

sakto sad ka...so unsa man diay imo gituohan??

errr... i think thats irrelevant nsad... Im not here to Enforce or prove that my beliefs are better than anyone else..

Im just here as an medium to get awareness that atheism is not such a bad thing... mga pre-concieve notions raman goy ga labi nato ba... gi sultian nata daan nga evil nang mga atheist sa ato parents, teacher ug media... which isnt really true actually...

But If you insist.. im an atheist to a judeo-christian GOD... but again.. im not saying my beliefs is better than anyone here... and I used to be a God fearing obedient christian until I reached the age of reason... haha... thats ment to be a joke, so dont take it personally or as arguement.. haha...

I just want to erase pre-concieve notions or stereotyping atheist as evil...

/bow

[brown_dog]

No one enforcing any one religion here. Enforcing means commanding them to do or accept any religion usually there would be a direct consequence based on some actual event that will happen.

Just to share some thoughts about the science of creationism.


Symbiotic Relationships

Different forms of life are completely dependent upon each other. At the broadest level, the animal kingdom depends on the oxygen produced by the plant kingdom. Plants, in turn, depend on the carbon dioxide produced by the animal kingdom.

More local and specific examples include fig trees and the fig gall wasp,a the yucca plant and the yucca moth,b many parasites and their hosts, and pollen-bearing plants and the honeybee. Even members of the honeybee family, consisting of the queen, workers, and drones, are interdependent. If one member of each interdependent group evolved first (such as the plant before the animal, or one member of the honeybee family before the others), it could not have survived. Because all members of the group obviously have survived, they must have come into existence at essentially the same time. In other words, creation.

[rcruman]

@RCUMEN

bro i not expecting for you to act like this.
my username is RCRUMAN not RCUMEN.
did you intentionally post that or you mean something like racumen (rat killer)?
oh boy, you're acting like a child.

Sa tanang arguement nmo naa koy counter-arguement... BUT kapoi lalis nmo bro oi... dili man ka skeptic gud... with all due repect.. FANATIC MAN KA...

fanatic? aw imo pud na, dili mahuman ang discussion by just saying personal against your counterpart, i think you know that.

Skeptics wants to be PROVEN WRONG with quantifiable, observable or measurable data...
can you say that to yourself?
Ako mo present ko nmo ug mga quantifiable, observable or measrable data all the time...
pero ikaw...

quantifiable? can you quantify love and measure love?
so dili fact para sa imoha ang love.

Imong primary source of data is ang bible... which ikaw mismo dili ka mo tuo and/or follow tanan diha sa bible...

ako dili mutuo or mo follow sa tanan? you mean all the commandments in the bible?
then put this in your head bro, not all commandments in the bible must be followed because they're commandments to a specific time and specific people.

Pareha gud sa ato constitution naay applicable sa una og applicable karon so para sa imoha diay ang tanang balaod sa pilipinas nga nasulat imo sundon? dili kaha ka mayabag?
naa baya balaod sa una sa pilipinas nga dili na puede nimo buhaton karon og mapriso ka kung imo buhaton.

(mo counter arguement sad ka nga di ko mo tuo tanan sa science... uu, pero naay scientific method para mo prove if the data is congrete, way ingana ang religion oi... SCIENCE NEVER CLAIMED its PERFECT... BUT the BIBLE claimed that the LAW OF GOD IS PERFECT...)

can science explains love and anger? do you have scientific method of that?
the LAW of GOD is perfect for those who are believers and the LAW of GOD is perfect to applicable time and people.
Don't take all the bible bro because the result is like the way you act and understand the bible.
they are time frame in the bible.

RCUMEN... ganahn kaau ko mo tuo ginoo...

so? ganahay diay ni, wala man nagtion ang Ginoo sa imoha nga tuo sa iya, mao bitaw naay free will.

PERO hapit tanan imo I present na fact kay dili congrete and science has its counter arguement na mas mo made sense gani...
ALL YOU DO IS USE THE EMOTION OF FEAR AND REWARD... oldest trick in the book nana oi, ma ilad rang gagmayng utok ana...

made sense? og dili concrete/congrete?
what's the counter argument of science towards feelings, love, and life?
bro your mixing up, here it goes, not all details about science can be proven by bible because in the bible it focus more on faith and commandments of God.
so meaning gamay kog utok?

Peace!

[dulpeks]

@RCUMEN
bro i not expecting for you to act like this.
my username is RCRUMAN not RCUMEN.
did you intentionally post that or you mean something like racumen (rat killer)?
oh boy, you're acting like a child.

tan awa ra gud nang pag interpret nimo sa KLARONG CLERICAL ERROR...ingon ana sad mo mga ADD mo interpret sa bible??....

[rcruman]

tan awa ra gud nang pag interpret nimo sa KLARONG CLERICAL ERROR...ingon ana sad mo mga ADD mo interpret sa bible??....

klarong clerical error? bro dili kay kausa ra niya gigamit ang rcumen, sa tanang post niya kay rcumen iya tawag sa akoa. ingon ana diay ka mointerpret og clerical error?

Peace!

[Jollibee]

@RCRUMEN...

Sorry dawg.. typo on ur ursername...

here we go again.. ikaw gud tubayan tka...

Yes.. by layman's term you are a fanatic coz your blind to my arguements...which leads to you inserting new topic for arguement just to prove that im wrong...

ok before ka mo introduce ug lain topic of arguement... answer sa ako mga counter arguements ha... ayaw introduce ug bagong topic... sabot ta daan ha... mao raba na imo hilig... check imo mga previos post...

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LOVE - love is unmeasurable but yet it is an OBSERVABLE phenomenon... which science can explain that is developed in within the species for the purpose of increasing our survivability of our species...

Love was develped in primitive times for

1)...one to lead *** and multiply(survival)
2)...to ensure we protect our love ones(survival)

Whats your arguement about LOVE? GOD GAVE IT TO HUMANS and thats it.. no hypothesis or such just as that...

I would like to ask you if which of the two hypothesis would seem more "reasonable"... BUT seeing as a fanatic as you are... it would be useless anyway...

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about THE BIBLE"s credibilty...

NO YOU CANT REASON WITH THAT... na ilang law applies in their time... as the BIBLE said by it words...
THE LAW OF GOD IS PERFECT... and in Hosea THE WORD OF OUR GOD STANDS FOREVER...

You see the words there... PERFECT and STANDS FOREVER... sa imong reason nga applicable sa ila panahon... you are already contradicing the very word "PERFECT and STANDS FOREVER" passage from the BIBLE...

which leads to two:

If you do accept the Idea nga dili perfect diay ang bible... nya piliun ra nato ang applicable..

then whats your basis.. a consistent filter for choosing what is ok and what not ok to be followed on the bible?

Kihinglan naa kay systematic standard na imong i apply and dili lang pwede na kuha diri, kuha did2 for the sake na ma harmony imo doctrine...

Does you religion has this systematic filter... kanang gi pirmahan dyud sa inyo simbhaan kanang "OFFICIAL" dyud ba....

AND PLEASE!

Dont COMPARE your Law to the Constituion...

BECAUSE..We accept that its man made and has flaws and your ok to question it.. and its not forever...

Your Law in the BIBLE IS EXPLICIT ABOUT IT.. its ITS THE WORD OF GOD, PERFECT and STANDS FOREVER... and you changing or not following the law is already tainted is "PERFECTNESS"

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All Im saying is gnahan ko mo tuo ug ginoo... if given the measureable and observable data, plus kihinglan and imong data is ma trace dyud nga more likely ang ginoo ang explanation... then I will convert to christianity

but can you say that to yourself MR. RCRUMEN... do you have the willpower to change to atheism if presented with a gud arguement?

TAKE NOTE... I was a BIBLE BELIEVER ONCE.. 25 years of my life I was dedicated to it... BUT i had the willpower to change my mind coz I realized this is not consistent and whole... I had the willpower to disbelieve in it.. and i have the willpower to ADOPT it again...

have you tested your willpower to leave ur church to seek for real answers? how do you know your grass is greener if you havent tried our grass...

Because you heard from your church, parents and media that our grass is bad, but you really havent tried it... right?


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All emotions has evolutionary traces... naa nkoy example sa taas, kapoi na explain nko tanan na... all im pointing out that THERE IS A LOGICAL EXPLANATION for your emotions... and not "GIVEN" to you by god...

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your words rcrument your words-

"bible it focus more on faith and commandments of God."

There you have it... this is pointless because...

Your a man of FAITH - faith needs only faith... thats it!
Im a man of LOGIC - I need reasonable data before believing on anythign if my life has to depend on it...

why this is wrong?

In order for you to convert ME to a theism - you need to present LOGICAL DATA... sounds fair righ?

But in order for me to convert you to Atheism... I need to present "FAITH"? !!!!!!! faith is a personal... this sounds this debate is rigged at your advantage even...

where thell can I get "FAITH" to convince you atheism?... Im jsut gonna say.. conver to atheism, TRUST ME! HAVE FAITH! ... thats religion to me rather than science...

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gamay kag utok?... ikaw ga sturya ana.. dili ako...

Ako ingon... nga gagmay rag utok ray madala kng gamiton para convince nila kay FEAR(Hell) ug REWARD(Heaven) ra... no logical explanation or whatsoever...

AND if you are only following your religion... ONLY because you are afraid to go to HELL and hoping for a reward... then yes - GAMAY KA UG UTOK!

coz youve been swindled with the oldest trick on the book!

P.S. counter my arguements ha... ayaw lagi pag add ug bagong subject... mao rabay likramo sa mga tao nimo kng debatihun ka...

PSS: Naming you fanatic is not the purpose of insulting you... its deviod of such, pero ako gamit as defintion

[Sinyalan]

....not all commandments in the bible must be followed because they're commandments to a specific time and specific people.

Not all commandments in the bible must be followed... So, what do you follow now? Because you are strongly use verse after verse from the OT to NT and by far you have been following it.

Because they're commandments to a specific time... So, what specific time you are refering to? Old times? abraham's time, noah's time. jesuss' time? Sure does the there times are passess like thousands of yearrs ago. then, there is new time? Like our time? Present time?

Specific people... So, who do you think this specific people you are trying to tell us here? Christians as the specific people? What about the buddhists, Hindus, Muslims... aren't they people too? So, your bible is just for christians alone and no one else. Good, so you can stop arguing or perhaps preaching to those who don't beleive in your god. Agree?

[rcruman]

@RCRUMEN...

Sorry dawg.. typo on ur ursername...

do you really have a hard head? or you just intentionally typed it?
its RCRUMAN not RCRUMEN, and you're claiming that your a skeptics?

Yes.. by layman's term you are a fanatic coz your blind to my arguements...which leads to you inserting new topic for arguement just to prove that im wrong...

ok before ka mo introduce ug lain topic of arguement... answer sa ako mga counter arguements ha... ayaw introduce ug bagong topic... sabot ta daan ha... mao raba na imo hilig... check imo mga previos post...

introducing new topic? aw kakuyaw gud nimo nga skeptics naa may limitation ang topic.
or dili lang ka gusto kay ang imo gusto e-discuss katong topic nga imo gipangadaman?

LOVE - love is unmeasurable but yet it is an OBSERVABLE phenomenon... which science can explain that is developed in within the species for the purpose of increasing our survivability of our species...
Love was develped in primitive times for
1)...one to lead *** and multiply(survival)
2)...to ensure we protect our love ones(survival)
Whats your arguement about LOVE? GOD GAVE IT TO HUMANS and thats it.. no hypothesis or such just as that...

I think you're drifting with your beliefs here bro. You don't believed in God and yet you said "GOD GAVE IT TO HUMANS"? that's what I'm talking all about if science can't explain you will go to supreme BEING.
your number 1 definition of love is not love but LUST.

then as you've said "LOVE - love is unmeasurable but yet it is an OBSERVABLE phenomenon... " can we quantify observation? can we consider observation as a fact?

AND PLEASE!
Dont COMPARE your Law to the Constituion...
BECAUSE..We accept that its man made and has flaws and your ok to question it.. and its not forever...
Your Law in the BIBLE IS EXPLICIT ABOUT IT.. its ITS THE WORD OF GOD, PERFECT and STANDS FOREVER... and you changing or not following the law is already tainted is "PERFECTNESS"

flaws or revised in order to fit to the present situation?
How come the bible is explicit in revision? have you heard OLD and NEW TESTAMENT?
like this: in 10 commandments its "thou shall not commit adultery" but in NEW TESTAMENT its "adultery already by just looking at a woman with a bad intention in our hearts".

TAKE NOTE... I was a BIBLE BELIEVER ONCE.. 25 years of my life I was dedicated to it... BUT i had the willpower to change my mind coz I realized this is not consistent and whole... I had the willpower to disbelieve in it.. and i have the willpower to ADOPT it again...
have you tested your willpower to leave ur church to seek for real answers? how do you know your grass is greener if you havent tried our grass...
Because you heard from your church, parents and media that our grass is bad, but you really havent tried it... right?

bible believer or bible reader? because if you believed in the bible you will not act like this.
you're a man who don't want to have a leader or a GOd to be instructed.
I've known that you're grass is bad already because I came from your situation.
I'm not a born member here in my church.

Your a man of FAITH - faith needs only faith... thats it!
Im a man of LOGIC - I need reasonable data before believing on anythign if my life has to depend on it...

LOGIC or A man of discontentment?
Do you have a data about love and feelings or just an observation?
Why believing in LOVE yet you don't have reasonable data.
Do you have a data the way you feel towards your parents?
Do you have a data the way you feel towards your love ones?

gamay kag utok?... ikaw ga sturya ana.. dili ako...
Ako ingon... nga gagmay rag utok ray madala kng gamiton para convince nila kay FEAR(Hell) ug REWARD(Heaven) ra... no logical explanation or whatsoever...

no logical explanation?
let me ask you first bro, are you married or do you have children?
If not, do have a brother or sister?

kung naa kay isugo sa ilaha nya ila gituman, muhatag ba kag reward? or pakunswelo?
So ingon ana Ang GINOO sa BIBLE, naa siya gihatag nga balaod og ang ato kay sa pagtuman ra og dili sa pagreklamo og wala siya namugos.

P.S. counter my arguements ha... ayaw lagi pag add ug bagong subject... mao rabay likramo sa mga tao nimo kng debatihun ka...
PSS: Naming you fanatic is not the purpose of insulting you... its deviod of such, pero ako gamit as defintion

ayaw palaban og laing identity just to show that you're right.
I'm not insulted in any words/name you have labeled me, its your right og wala koy mahimo ana.

PEace!