MERGED: RP-China Territorial Dispute, Related Events and Updates

[leonell]

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^ Yes, the Philippines has fought and survived even two of the World's deadliest wars (WWI and WWII). Our Army has been used to it especially in the way long years of fighting rebels ranging from communist to islamist movements.

But it would be so embarrassing for me that the Philippines never won a war by itself. Even from the Philippine Revolution, I mean, we won the World Wars because of the United States and until now the rebellion has not yet ended, how much more if we're fighting a World Power?

China has nuclear capabilities but our technology pales from theirs. Would the Philippines ever survive a nuclear war with China? Answer is.......... NO! That's why we need to improve our military as soon and as fast as possible. If the tensions ever rise more then expand it to it's finest. Look at Vietnam, we very well know nga ang Vietnam mas pobre pa sa Pilipinas ug di sad layo ang gap sa atong population (80M+ and 90M+) nya nganong mas naka-prepare paman sila ani kaysa nato? Answer is....... the Government is not taking this threat seriously.

[peewee_toot]

^^grabe jd d i kaayu ni nga threat noh....

[leonell]

^ Well, sa nagkadugay........... China's also getting "desperate" about new sources of fuel for their industries................ kaya it's not impossible that they'll use "other means" than legal process in international courts.

[Visual C#]

My take: the Philippine government should just keep to their own. The Spratlys are not worth it. We don't have a capable navy or air force to rival China's. It'll hurt our national pride, but there's pretty not much we can do. The US will probably step in, but unlikely as it's outside of the scope of their national interests.

[7DMM]

hmm it just crossed my mind but, naa ba submarine ang pilipinas?

the navy doesn't have submarines

[leonell]

My take: the Philippine government should just keep to their own. The Spratlys are not worth it. We don't have a capable navy or air force to rival China's. It'll hurt our national pride, but there's pretty not much we can do. The US will probably step in, but unlikely as it's outside of the scope of their national interests.

Spratly's is really worth the great effort. Aside from the fact that it has rich oil reserves and a healthy fishing ground, we have a community on those islands. There are Filipinos settling there. The Filipino people are our only national treasure and it should be the Government's main concern to protect them and secure the community.

[AMD_fan]

In 1933, France reasserted its claims from 1887 to the Spratly and Paracel Islands on behalf of its then-colony Vietnam. It occupied a number of the Spratly Islands, including Itu Aba, built weather stations on two, and administered them as part of French Indochina. This occupation was protested by the Republic of China government because France admitted finding Chinese fishermen there when French war ships visited the nine islands. In 1935, the ROC government also announced a sovereignty claim on the Spratly Islands. Japan occupied some of the islands in 1939 during World War II, and used the islands as a submarine base for the occupation of Southeast Asia. During the occupation, these islands were called Shinnan Shoto, literally the New Southern Islands, and put under the governance of Taiwan together with the Paracel Islands. Today, Itu Aba Island is still administrated by the Republic of China, which took over the control of Taiwan from Japan in 1945.

Following the defeat of Japan at the end of World War II, China re-claimed the entirety of the Spratly Islands (including Itu Aba), accepting the Japanese surrender on the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations. The ROC government withdrew from most of the Spratly and Paracel Islands after they retreated to Taiwan from the opposing Communist Party of China, which founded the People's Republic of China in 1949. ROC quietly withdrew troops from Itu Aba in 1950, but reinstated them in 1956 in response to Tomas Cloma's sudden claim to the island as part of Freedomland.

Japan renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, together with the Paracels, Pratas & other islands captured from China, upon which China reasserted its claim to the islands.

The naval units of the Vietnamese government took over in Trường Sa after the defeat of the French at the end of the First Indochina War. In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters, which encompassed the Spratly Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a formal note to Zhou Enlai, stating that the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects the decision by China regarding the 12 nautical mile limit of territorial waters. However, South Vietnam still claimed jurisdiction over the islands.

Following a 1995 dispute between China and the Philippines, an ASEAN-brokered agreement was reached between the PRC and ASEAN member nations whereby one country would inform the other of any military movement within the disputed territory and that there would be no further construction. The agreement was promptly violated by China and Malaysia. Claiming storm damage, seven Chinese naval vessels entered the area to repair "fishing shelters" in Panganiban Reef. Malaysia erected a structure on Investigator Shoal and landed at Rizal Reef. In response the Philippines lodged formal protests, demanded the removal of the structures, increased naval patrols in Kalayaan and issued invitations to American politicians to inspect the PRC bases by plane.

In the early 21st century, the situation is improving. China recently held talks with ASEAN countries aimed at realizing a proposal for a free trade area between the ten countries involved. China and ASEAN have also been engaged in talks to create a code of conduct aimed at easing tensions in the disputed islands. On 5 March 2002, an agreement was reached, setting forth the desire of the claimant nations to resolve the problem of sovereignty "without further use of force". In November 2002, a Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea was signed, easing tensions but falling short of a legally binding code of conduct.

[metalmonster_1208]

dugaya na aning away wui

[kamatuoran]

maglisud ta ana mga bro kay bungkag2x man ato nasud. walai unity ang mga pinoy crab mentality man gud ta nya ayahay pata ug corrupt. ato gobyerno maglisud ug focus sa laing problema kay daghan oposisyon na ganahan mulingkod sa puwesto.

[wikki]

@kamatuoran - klaro gyud.

this is old news. and if ever maninood gyud ang China or Vietnamn claim sa islands, wala man sad tay ma buhat gyud. mag pa laban nasad sa US, himoon nasad tag US bases dira sa north dapit. daghan nasad rapist mag tapok. daog gyud ta ani bisan usaon.