Eliseo F. Soriano of ADD - SUSPENDED! Makatwiran ba?

[robearthFX]

hehehe... pero naa ga ingon bai nga dili si Eli ang ni hawa, kundi siya ang gi-expel. sige tuohan na lang tikaw.

i am not forcing you to believe in me.... prove it by yourself......

tubaga na lang to ako pangotana kong kinsa ang gibinlan ni Jesus Christ pag adto niya sa Langit.

of course... after His death.... dayon niadto sa langit..... iyang gibilin ang iyang mga apostles....
pero mo claim dayon mo that Catholiscm is the descendant sa mga apostles.... supak jud ko ana brod..... how come nga nagaggikan ang Katilisismo sa mga apostles.... nga wala man sila nagsubay sa tinuod nga teachings sa mga apostoles..... example na sad..... ang mga apostoles sa una walay mga rebulto.... samot nga wala miluhod sa mga rebulto.....

so.... ang tinuod nga descendants sa church sa una kadtong nagsunod japun sa teachings nga gitudlo sa una.......

hope youll get it.....

[robearthFX]

ga too man d i mo bai noh kong maka-sala ang taw sa makadaghan dapat i-expel siya. Pero ngano sige man siya convince sa mga taw sa laing tinuohan nga mo tapon sa iyang (Eli) simbahan, nga nakasala na man ng tawhana sa kadaghan.

sorry bay wala nako ni mamention sa una.... expelled ka if naa na ka sa tinuod jud nga church.... human gapabadlong japun ka...... bisan naa na ka sa sakto nga religion.... human gisultian na ka sa sakto nga doktrina..... human ang imong binuhatan wala gasunod sa tinuod nga mga panudlo..... bisan gibadlong na sa makadaghan..... akoong usbon..... bisan gibadlong na sa makadaghan...... diha na sya maexpel........

[FK]

homan sa mga apostles bai, kinsa ni sunod nila... taga-e kono ko sa history base sa imo gituohan.

wala jud rebolto kay wala pa man picture sa una, wala pa kaau maau nga sculpture og presko pa kaau sa ilang huna2x ang dagway ni kristo.

[robearthFX]

homan sa mga apostles bai, kinsa ni sunod nila... taga-e kono ko sa history base sa imo gituohan.

kana nga part.... i am not that familiar.... kay history na man.... hehehe.... sorry.... tagai lang ko ug math problems.... ayaw lang nang history..... hehehehe...

but i believe... there was one part of Christians history kun diin gipanglutos sila.... gipangita... dayon patyon.... Dark Ages jud to...... kakita ka atong the "Storykeepers" nga animated series sa una.... maypagkaingon ato.....

wala jud rebolto kay wala pa man picture sa una, wala pa kaau maau nga sculpture og presko pa kaau sa ilang huna2x ang dagway ni kristo

dili na maoy rason bro.... kay walay photograph or walay sculptor...... ang saktong rason brad mao nga wala jut rebulto.... kay..... gibawalan sila..... klaro ma cguro sa mga verses.....

kay ug kun moingon ka nga walay mga artist sa una.... naay daghan oy.... kanusa man intawn..... even during the time of moses.... naa na may mga images.... mao bitaw nga gikasaban to sila sa panahon ni moises..... kay nisamba japun sa mga images......
kay ug kun wala pa gibawal ang paghimug images noh..... magbaha siguro ug rebulto sa una.... kay kun akoy apostoles.... ako jud nang himuan or pahimuan ug rebulto si Cristo oy.... anak sa Dios.... Manluluwas pa jud..... pero dili man pwede...... so wala jud....

basaha sad ni brad..... ako na ni gipost sa una... pero basaha lang ug balik.....

Question:
How, where and since when does the Catholic images and pictures, which they worship at present, originated? As well as the rosary and the holy water?

Bro. Eli:Let us read, “Pananampalataya ng Ating mga Ninuno Aklat Katoliko p.164”

The doctrine of the Catholic Church regarding the use of sacred images is clearly and fully expert by the general council of Trent. The images of Christ, Virgin Mother and of the saints are to be had and retained specially in churches.

Therefore, it all started when the general council of Trent was established. When the Roman Pope called for a council in Trent, a doctrine was formulated stating that the sacred images of Mary, Jesus and other saints should you have in your house, most especially in churches. Thus, it never started was during the time of the Apostles. It all started during the establishment of the council of Trent and it is written in the Catholic Encyclopedia.

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@robearthFX

hehehe astang lawgawa... u claim na kamao ka puros verses sa bible ug kasabot gyud ka ug tanan naa sa bible... hahaha karon sulti ka dili ka kamao ang history?

kana diay Bible considered man na history book bai...
unsa man diay na sa imuha mga formula sa Math? Bwahahahahaha!

[robearthFX]

hehehe astang lawgawa... u claim na kamao ka puros verses sa bible ug kasabot gyud ka ug tanan naa sa bible... hahaha karon sulti ka dili ka kamo ang history?

kana diay Bible considered man na history book bai...
unsa man diay na sa imuha mga formula sa Math? Bwahahahahaha!

of course the bible is a bit of history... but more on the relgious teachings....

brad.... ang gipangutana man gud sa atong fellow kaistoryan diri mao nga.... kinsa kunoy gibinlan ni Christ.... then i answered..... mga apostles...... then after the apostles.... wala nay record ang bible ana..... kun naa man gani.... tagai ko.....

i am not claiming nga kasabot ko sa bible... i am not even preacher.....i am just an ordinary listener to some religious programs...... pamasaha ra gud akong mga previous posts bro...... wala jud ko gaingon sa imo gipangsulti..... mao nay gitawag ug.... BUTANGBUTANG........

gapataka man lang tawn ug sabat oy......

[arnoldsa]

the dont do debates coz they cant defend their teachings.... teachings like what? for example lang..... the concept of "original sin kuno".... that we inherited sins from Adam and Eve kuno...... which is very wrong.... read this.....
Ang kalag nga makasala, kini mamatay: ang anak dili magapas - an sa kasal - anan sa amahan, ni ang amahan magapas - an sa kasal - anan sa anak; ang pagkamatarung sa matarung anha kaniya, ug ang pagkadautan sa dautan anha kaniya.
Ezequiel 18 : 20

The Catholic Church can defend itself. It's purely a waste of time to go after small irrelevant things like Eli... The mission of the church is to spread the good news of Christ and NOT TO debate, quarrel and spread hate and division. That's even the reason why the Catholic Church is now reaching out to other religions.

Eli's group is not a cult.....
cult (noun). A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader

from above defintion of the word cult... i likely consider the catholic group as cult......

Eli's groups is indeed a cult with its unusual way of brainwashing people, humiliating them in debates, etc.... Eli is even far more authoritarian witht he way he speaks..

i dont believe that Catholiscism be 2000 years old.... they even claim Peter as the first Pope..... grabe namang claim nyan..... even in the bible..... wala jud na ang term nga "Santo Papa"...... those are just innovations.....

You don't believe because you have not researched nor have read books nor have gone to Rome or Jerusalem.. To say that the Catholic Church is not 2000 yrs old is just like saying that the Pyramids of Egypt are just over 100 years old and are a fake...

watta claim..... without even proofs..... how come that Catholism is the True Church kuno when its teachings are mostly against the Bible's true essence?

Again, because you have not researched, read a book, gone to the Vatican Archives, gone to Rome or Jerusalem...

Actually after Christ's death, some of the apostles went to Rome (St. Peter and Paul), Alexandria (St. Mark), Constantinople (St. Andrew), Antioch (St. Peter), Jerusalem (Jesus and the Apostles). So all in all there were five important Sees established. They were also known as Apostolic Sees.

That is why the Roman Catholic church was founded by St. Peters and St. Paul.... and the Orthodox Church in Alexandria, Egypt was founded by St. Mark... Their Patriarch (equivalent of Pope) claims to be the successor of St. Mark.... And so with the patriarchs in Jerusalem, Istanbul and Antioch.

This is also the reason why the Roman Catholic church is also called the SEE OF ST. PETER and the rest of the Eastern Churches are called the See of St. Mark, See of St. Andrew, etc...

This cannot be denied even if you make a debate with all the Archaeologists, historians, professors, or even the Chancellors of big time universities like Cambridge and Harvard...

If the prophecies will come true, SATAN will actually succeed in destroying the church... According to St. Malachy, the present pope will be the second to the last....

wat book is that?

That is not a book

look as well the Catholic's bigs lifestyles.... they own Universities, hospitals that arent free..... and dont even pay taxes..... asay mas grabe?..

They do not go to personal coffers of the priests.. The funds are used for the development of the said universities in order of course to maintain and provide quality education... The same way with hospitals... Of course you have to pay, if you don't pay how will these universities and hospitals survive? How much more if they are made to pay taxes>

Unlike Eli Soriano who has become personally rich through the Dating Daan..

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Dia bai wa ka kasabot sa imo gisulti? kay pasabton taka...

FYI brad........ dili tanang mysteries dili masabtan oy......... sakto that the bible is filled with mysteries..... pero does it mean dili na lang jud masabtan? kayabag ba ana?..... of course masabtan ang bible oy.... pero dili sa tanan..... naa lamang mga pinili nga maksabot sa bible.....

"DILI TANANG mysterio DILI MASABTAN oy" --- > unsa pasabot ani naa mysterio dili masabtan kay dili man kaha tanan para sa imo. dba? hahay nimo ako galibog! SIMPLE LOGIC. hmmm

"kayabag ba ana?" <----- para na sa imo na word.

Nya mo ingon pa ka karon na masabtan tanan sa ubang tawo ang bibliya at the same tym full of mystery? hmmmmmmmmm. toink __O.O___

[robearthFX]

[quote="arnoldsa"]

The Catholic Church can defend itself. It's purely a waste of time to go after small irrelevant things like Eli... The mission of the church is to spread the good news of Christ and NOT TO debate, quarrel and spread hate and division. That's even the reason why the Catholic Church is now reaching out to other religions.

mao ba? mao na imo ingon... but more likely.... it is an alibi..... palusot..... ngano kaha give a litte chance.... and talk with this Eli's group..... kadiyot ra bitaw na.... bisan 3 hours.... daghan na man ang madiscuss ana.... if you really condsidered it as waste of time......


cult (noun). A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader

from above defintion of the word cult... i likely consider the catholic group as cult......

Eli's groups is indeed a cult with its unusual way of brainwashing people, humiliating them in debates, etc.... Eli is even far more authoritarian witht he way he speaks..

refer to the above definition for cult...... and think first.... then say which one deserves the word?

You don't believe because you have not researched nor have read books nor have gone to Rome or Jerusalem.. To say that the Catholic Church is not 2000 yrs old is just like saying that the Pyramids of Egypt are just over 100 years old and are a fake...

mao nay gipatuo sa inyong simbahan.....nituo sad ko ana sa una........but the Catholics never existed during Chruist's time..... wala man gani sa Bible ang word nga Catholic......... how dare you to say that the Catholicism is the descendant of the apostles.... when even the apostles never mentioned that they are catholics........

Again, because you have not researched, read a book, gone to the Vatican Archives, gone to Rome or Jerusalem...

FYI..... the bible itself is complete in terms of teachings..... dili kinahanglan ang laing religious books kuno....... basaha ra gud ang Isaiah 34:16..... and the last parts of Revelations


Actually after Christ's death, some of the apostles went to Rome (St. Peter and Paul), Alexandria (St. Mark), Constantinople (St. Andrew), Antioch (St. Peter), Jerusalem (Jesus and the Apostles). So all in all there were five important Sees established. They were also known as Apostolic Sees.

That is why the Roman Catholic church was founded by St. Peters and St. Paul.... and the Orthodox Church in Alexandria, Egypt was founded by St. Mark... Their Patriarch (equivalent of Pope) claims to be the successor of St. Mark.... And so with the patriarchs in Jerusalem, Istanbul and Antioch.

This is also the reason why the Roman Catholic church is also called the SEE OF ST. PETER and the rest of the Eastern Churches are called the See of St. Mark, See of St. Andrew, etc...

This cannot be denied even if you make a debate with all the Archaeologists, historians, professors, or even the Chancellors of big time universities like Cambridge and Harvard...

some of the things stated above are correct.... but most of them arent biblical..... wer can you find in the bible anang mga butanga......
sa ako na ginaingon.... bibliya ra jud ang basehan.... wala nay lain.....

so you prefer archeologists, historians, etc..... instead of the bible..... Words of God against human science?........

That is not a book

so asa man to gikan?

They do not go to personal coffers of the priests.. The funds are used for the development of the said universities in order of course to maintain and provide quality education... The same way with hospitals... Of course you have to pay, if you don't pay how will these universities and hospitals survive? How much more if they are made to pay taxes>

Unlike Eli Soriano who has become personally rich through the Dating Daan

the Church wer Eli belongs have some free hospitals for the poor.... and free schools for those who cant afford.... and orphanages.... etc......
but they unfrequently mentioned this fact in their programs....

Hospitals, schools etc.... must all be free for the poor people........ unlike sa Catholics programs kuno..... how bout UST...... kinsay makaeskwela diha?

Eli? rich? i dont think so.....

[robearthFX]

Dia bai wa ka kasabot sa imo gisulti? kay pasabton taka...

FYI brad........ dili tanang mysteries dili masabtan oy......... sakto that the bible is filled with mysteries..... pero does it mean dili na lang jud masabtan? kayabag ba ana?..... of course masabtan ang bible oy.... pero dili sa tanan..... naa lamang mga pinili nga maksabot sa bible.....

"DILI TANANG mysterio DILI MASABTAN oy" --- > unsa pasabot ani naa mysterio dili masabtan kay dili man kaha tanan para sa imo. dba? hahay nimo ako galibog! SIMPLE LOGIC. hmmm

"kayabag ba ana?" <----- para na sa imo na word.

Nya mo ingon pa ka karon na masabtan tanan sa ubang tawo ang bibliya at the same tym full of mystery? hmmmmmmmmm. toink __O.O___

cud you site proofs that ALL mysteries CANT be understood......... kapoy na man reply sa imo mga posts.... pantambay man kaayo ug stand...... adto na lang ko sa uban.......