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  1. #171

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    unya kay kaya man lagi nang buhaton pud sa mga false prophets. does it also mean nga kaning mga false prophets nga magpagawas ug evil spirits (literally speaking) kay napadayon pud nila ang buhat sa Apostles?

    kay base sa imong article gud, niingon gud ang evil spirit sa pari "you're worst than I am!". sa dinugay dugay nakog basa sa bible, wala man siguro ko nakabasa bro nga niingon ang evil spirit sa mga apostol nga "you're worst than I am!".

    so naay problema.


    you clearly dont get the point......
    the person who was TRYING to exorcise her then was a CALVINIST, A PROTESTANT
    so dont lash your tongue
    you clearly dont know how to read

  2. #172

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    bisan unsa panang paagiha, so what? unsa may na prove lagi...




    bisan pa lagig unsay reaction sa devil, bisan pag tinuod to nga nahitabo nga nigawas ang demonyo so what?

    wala jud ka nakakuha sa punto bro...



    unsa man nga triumph? nga gibuntog sa maayo ang dautan? dili gihapon ka maka prove ana bro kay mao man pud nay ipalusot sa mga false prophets bro para makailad ug mga tawo.

    ang main point jud lagi, so what? ngano man diay ug nakapagawas siya ug evil spirits unsa may na prove niya?

    maong magbalik balik ta kay wala man gud ka nakakuha sa punto. nitubag lagi ka pero nagpabilin raman gihapon ang dakong pangutana.

    saba na bro
    sigeg balik2

  3. #173

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    ang nakasuwat bro, "I create evil", dili "the evil came from God". layo ra kaayo nag meaning bro imo raman nang conclusion bro.

    gipa specify pa taka kung unsa na siya nga evil dili pud ka mutubag.

    imo rana bro...

    weak in faith bro
    tsk..tsk...tsk
    dli kadawat

  4. #174

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    manilbawt mn pd ato kilay ani mga bro.

  5. #175

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    I'm a Psychology teacher and I really don't believe literally in the possession of demons. I'm very skeptic so I would rather rely on science. People who are so called possessed are more or less psychologically and mentally disturbed according to psychiatrists.

    Anyway, try to watch EXORCISM - Fact of Fiction (Faith vs. Science)


    YouTube - Exorcism - Fact or Fiction
    Here's one for you to reconsider Reg...

    New Oxford Review

    Excerpt:

    Richard E. Gallagher, M.D., is a board-certified psychiatrist in private practice in Hawthorne, New York, and Associate Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at New York Medical College. He is also on the faculties of the Columbia University Psychoanalytic Institute and a Roman Catholic seminary. He is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Princeton University, magna cum laude in Classics, and trained in Psychiatry at the Yale University School of Medicine. Dr. Gallagher is the only American psychiatrist to have been a consistent U.S. delegate to the International Association of Exorcists, and has addressed its plenary session.

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    Scientific Study

    1. Amin Muhammad Gadit, M.D.

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    Amin Muhammad Gadit, M.D., is a professor of psychiatry at Memorial University of Newfoundland, Canada.

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    The belief in possession by jinni is not limited to less-developed countries. During my last two years' practice in Canada, I came across three patients who firmly believed that they were possessed by jinni. Their symptoms did not fit into any of the clinical conditions we come across in everyday clinical practice.

    Jinni have been described as living entities that are invisible to human beings, can assume various shapes, and have the ability to overpower the human brain and in turn lead to different manifestations that are similar to mental disorders, but have the distinction of not being amenable to medical treatment.

    Having worked for a number of years in a developing country, seeing several patients with different clinical conditions expressing belief in jinni possession, all of whom had a low literacy level, I was surprised initially when I came across such a situation in Canada. Though I had theoretical knowledge of such types of beliefs and syndromes, which are prevalent all over the globe, the practical experience of dealing with such patients was a fascinating experience for me.

    A patient I recently saw came with the complaints of a strange urge to bite people who were passing on the road. He also felt that his body was changing anatomically. There was an element of paranoia about the ill doings of family members and that he was destined to turn into a monster.

    A thorough mental status examination was inconclusive apart from the possibility of “possession syndrome.” The patient was seeking treatment from a shaman simultaneously. Possession syndromes have found a place in current classification systems, and there is now an emphasis on exposure of psychiatry residents to the ways in which religion affects some people's mental health and other aspects of their lives.

    Possession by jinni has been described extensively in ethnopsychiatric literature, which provides insight into this phenomenon. The most frequent psychiatric symptoms attributed to demonic possession include hallucinations, mental disorders with strange and antisocial behavior, conditions of extreme unrest, change of voice, claims to predict the future, talking in foreign languages of which the person had no knowledge before, having seizures, and acquiring tremendous physical strength.

    A diagnostic category of schizohysteria has been discussed to describe this phenomenon, but such a diagnosis has not yet found a place in psychiatric classifications.

    Among psychiatrists who study traditional beliefs and attitudes, possession has been recognized as an important causative factor for some mental disorders. Demonology has been explained as a culturally or socially determined cause of certain problems that cannot otherwise be explained in sociological, psychodynamic, psychological, or psychiatric terms. Scientists have frequently expressed doubts regarding this phenomenon, and many psychiatrists view it with much skepticism.

    Broadly speaking, it appears unreasonable to dismiss something so culturally pervasive just because it cannot be proven scientifically. A large portion of current medical practice is still awaiting scientifically sound evidence from trials. If possession syndromes deserve so little recognition, one could reasonably ask, what is the point of establishing and emphasizing the importance of a spiritual dimension in the psychiatric literature? Jinni possession is an important concept in many traditional as well as nontraditional societies, and many patients who are given psychiatric diagnoses based on symptomatology don't necessarily respond to medications, yet have been known to benefit from shamanic treatment. Epilepsy is sometimes associated with magical thinking or the influence of demons, and in many parts of the world is being addressed by shamans and faith healers.

    Some patients who were considered affected by demons and treated with neuroleptics subsequently experienced remission, suggesting strong support for a biochemical theory. There may also be a possible explanatory role related to abnormal functioning of brain-stem structures in the region of the fourth ventricle, whether caused by genetic or environmental factors or a combination thereof.

    Scientists continue to argue against possession as an etiological factor responsible for mental illness, but the fact remains that refuting something that science cannot prove is inappropriate on the basis of our limited understanding of the world and its creations. There should always be room for new ideas, theories, and beliefs. In the aforementioned context, it may be acceptable to say that jinni may be a scientific entity, which, if understood by more psychiatrists, could revolutionize the field of psychiatry and human behavior. So let's continue the journey in search of a scientific basis for demonic possession. ▪
    Demonic-Possession Phenomenon Merits Scientific Study ? Psychiatric News

  7. #177

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    bias mani na exorcism oi...

    ngano lagi dri sa ato-a pwede ra man bisan bayot na albularyo..

  8. #178

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    ilad lang mo sa demonyo.. hehe

  9. #179

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    even in the bible there is exorcism.

  10. #180

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    naa bitaw.. pero lahi man gud ni.. kay ang gisulti sa demonyo gihimong proof para masuportaan ang doktrina sa RCC.. lol

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