Faith...

[thinkrich]

bro, ako lang i repeat/rephrase ako question ha..including ns sad sa imo initial comment.

ang ingon ni Jesus is "No one comes to the Father except through Me." it is very clear nga if we want to be with the Father, then we have to go through Jesus..and going through Jesus who is the way, the truth and the life, would undoubtedly mean that we have to know Him. right? now why man mo ingon ka nga ok ra even if wa ka kaila sa Ginoo?

True, God wants all men to be saved, accroding to timothy..and i that is precisely why the apostles preached and evangelized the people that they may know Jesus and that they may be saved. Kay if tinuod na ok ra nga di ta makaila sa Ginoo, why did Jesus say these words? why did He have to commission His apostles to go out and spread the Good News when in fact ok ra man diay kay we can be judged through the Law written in our hearts?

My comments is not the proof but the bible which contains the word of God.

Indeed, it is the bible and yet, what the bible says, to be exact pa jud, what Jesus said is this "no one comes to the Father except through Me" klaro man kaau ang words bro nga no one

[rcruman]

ang ingon ni Jesus is "No one comes to the Father except through Me." it is very clear nga if we want to be with the Father, then we have to go through Jesus..and going through Jesus who is the way, the truth and the life, would undoubtedly mean that we have to know Him. right? now why man mo ingon ka nga ok ra even if wa ka kaila sa Ginoo?

Its clear there bro that "No one comes to the Father except through Me", pertaining to people covered in the era of Christ, Apostle and Gospel.
Would you judge the people who didn't hear the word of Christ or Gospel.
How about the people who live before the time of Christ in Flesh? do they don't have a chance for salvation?
Outside the era of Christ and before the time of Christ in Flesh and People don't have a chance to hear Christ and Gospel will have chance to be saved through the Law written in their hearts in nature. And God the Father will judge those People.

now why man mo ingon ka nga ok ra even if wa ka kaila sa Ginoo?
Because God the Father put a law in nature in their Heart (conscience).
People who didn't commit murder, who didn't have other wife, didn't steal, didn't rape his daughter, and love his/her fellowmen are subjected to God the Father mercy and judgement.

First thing we should know that Christ was the saviour of the Body (church) while God the Father is the saviour of all mankind and outsid the body(Church).

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23.

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 1 corinthians 5:13.

Peace!

[aleyson]

Those words are intended for the Jews because of their actions of hypocrisy. Even when Jesus was still alive He even rebuked many times the hypocrisy of the Jews and translated the entire law because their interpretation is only superficial and more only on the outside. So, Do not generalize things to justify you belief. How aobut the teachings and examples of Jesus will it be ignored? Take note "through faith in Jesus Christ". What hypocritical act if we claim that we have Faith in Him but dont act on his words or commandments.

take note that the Ten Commandments were for the Jews as well. If you can't recall...it was the Jews that Moses took out of Egypt. so if you follow the ten commandments but yet you drink alcohol, do drugs and do battery you would still be saved i dont think so.
there could also be people that are ignorant about the ten commandments who are GOOD people but only know there is a God or a higher power and have faith in Him,they too would not be saved?? oh come on....

[eagleseye]

Come on my dear...

Did I say work of the Ten Commandments? Ma'am or Sir, just simple philosophy, before you draw a valid conclusion define and validate your premises first.
You are concluding by saying, "it says it right there...that because by the works of the law will no flesh get righteousness."
Now, to validate your premises we will ask first, is the term "work the law" refers to the "work of the Ten Commandments"? Then we will refer to the verses in Gal 2:13-16.

13 And the rest of the Jews (also) acted hypocritically along with him, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not on the right road in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Kephas in front of all, "If you, though a Jew, are living like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?"
15 We, who are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles,
16 (yet) who know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

So see, in Verse 13 it says "acted hypocritically" so in other words it does not refer generally to the "work of the Ten Commandments" but rather it refers to their HYPOCRITICAL ACTIONS. So now we can revise your conclusion into a valid one by saying "BY THE HYPOCRITICAL WORKS OF THE LAW NO FLESH GET RIGHTEOUSNESS".

So klaro Ma'am/Sir?

there could also be people that are ignorant about the ten commandments who are GOOD people but only know there is a God or a higher power and have faith in Him,they too would not be saved??

Jesus told his followers, "I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd" (John 10:16). After his Resurrection, Jesus gave the threefold command to Peter: "Feed my lambs. . . . Tend my sheep. . . . Feed my sheep" (John 21:15–17). The word translated as "tend" (poimaine) means "to direct" or "to superintend"—in other words, "to govern." So although there are sheep that are not of Christ’s fold, it is through the Church that they are able to receive his salvation.

People who have never had an opportunity to hear of Christ and his Church—and those Christians whose minds have been closed to the truth of the Church by their conditioning—are not necessarily cut off from God’s mercy. Vatican II phrases the doctrine in these terms:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their consciences—those too may achieve eternal salvation (LG 16).

Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery (Gaudium et Spes 22).
The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches:
Every man who is ignorant of the gospel of Christ and of his Church but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity (CCC 1260).
http://www.catholic.com

if you follow the ten commandments but yet you drink alcohol, do drugs and do battery you would still be saved

See, taken from your own words, deep within you there is a realization that fulfillment of the God's commandments is necessary... But because of pride or maybe just to stand by your church slogan that "FAITH ALONE" you will not accept verbally that WE COULD NOT BE SAVED BY FAITH ALONE...

God be praised!

[--Makoy--]

@ --makoy-- naa man gud uban actions that others would think that its not very christian-like. but for me there's nothing bad about it man gud. lahi nasad kaayo nang you have faith in God but you kill people or mangabet..toinks. that is hypocrite

if you have faith (that, if tininuod pud), your actions will follow di ba? thats why i said faith+actions. faith or actions alone will not suffice. sad to say mao jud nay nahitabo karon. daghan kaayo tao naning kaayo mosimba, religious kaayo, then ang uban halos memorize na ang bible yet kusog kaayo molibak ug mang-daut sa uban tao. superficial ra kaayo

[miss tapya]

[color=blue]Some Tidbits.....

The Bible is clear that faith holds a first and prominent role in the salvation of every person.

Heb 10:38
But my just one shall live by faith ...
Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him (God) ...

The Bible is equally clear on the saving role of good works in the lives of the faithful.

1 Pet 2:12
Maintain good conduct among the Gentiles, so that if they speak of you as evildoers, they may observe your good works and glorify God on the day of visitation.
Rev 2:2
I know your works, your labor, and your endurance ...
Mt 5:16
Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.
Mt 16:27
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
Mt 25:34-36
Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'

The Bible indicates that it is wrong to disturb the balance of works expressing a life of faith. Man is not saved by faith alone.

James 2:24
See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
James 2:26
For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Nor is man saved by works alone.

Rom 9:31-32
Israel, who pursued the law of righteousness, did not attain to that law ... because they did it not by faith, but as if it could be done by works.
Gal 3:11
And that no one is justified before God by the law is clear, for "the one who is righteous by faith will live."

Nor is man saved by works alone.

Rom 9:31-32
Israel, who pursued the law of righteousness, did not attain to that law ... because they did it not by faith, but as if it could be done by works.
Gal 3:11
And that no one is justified before God by the law is clear, for "the one who is righteous by faith will live."

The Bible declares that salvation is a gift of God alone and constantly reaffirms that faith has a primary role in that salvation.

Eph 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so no one may boast.
Heb 6:1
Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God,
Heb 9:14
... how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to worship the living God.
2 Tim 1:9
He saved us and called us to a holy life, not according to our works but according to his own design and the grace bestowed on us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Titus 3:4-5
... the kindness and generous love of God our savior appeared, not because of any righteous deeds we had done but because of his mercy.
Rom 3:27-28
What occasion is there then for boasting? It is ruled out. On what principle, that of works? No, rather on the principle of faith. For we consider that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Gal 2:16
(We) know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

[jofox]

James 2:14...
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

Or in other words "can that faith save him". That kind of faith, is a dead faith, not a saving faith and hence not real faith. True faith in Christ saves and produces good works.



James 2:15-17...
If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

What makes that kind of faith a dead one is the lack of love. Real faith is a faith that works by love.



James 2:18-19...
But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe -- and tremble!




Real faith demonstrates itself by works of love. Knowledge is not the same as belief. It is belief in Jesus which saves.



James 2:20-21...
But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?


Yet, we also read in Romans 4:2-5...
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,




So how then is someone justified, by faith or by works? Abraham was justified before men by his works but justified before God by his faith. Faith does result in works if it is indeed the true and justifying kind.


The works mentioned in the above passage cannot be in reference to "works of the law" as the law of Moses did not even exist as yet during Abraham's time. Therefore, we are not saved by works at all of any kind except by the work of Jesus Christ Himself through the Spirit of God!



Titus 3:5...
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;


Hebrews 9:14...
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

We cannot be justified by a faith that doesn't work. But yet, neither can we be justified by faith and works.



Romans 11:6...
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Once you have attempt to add works to grace you have denied God's grace that is received by faith. Then how are we justified? By faith which works!



James 2:22...
Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?

Faith did the works through Abraham. We are saved only by faith. However, that faith is a fruitfully productive one which is spurred by love.



James 2:23...
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.

It was Abraham's faith belief that He was made righteous by God. Works demonstated this justifying faith.



James 2:24...
You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

We see that a man is justified only by faith which demonstrates itself by works. Works cannot save, faith plus works cannot save, but faith which works does save.



James 2:25...
Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?


Hebrews 11:31...
By faith the harlot Rahab did not perish with those who did not believe, when she had received the spies with peace.




Faith was working together with the works of Rahab.



James 2:26...
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Faith without works is dead being alone without love.


Having faith alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation means that you are believing only in Jesus to save you. It also means you are not placing your faith in anyone or anything else, not even in your own works, for your salvation.


This does not mean that faith salvation is that which is alone lacking love or resulting works. Dead faith doesn't work but real and true living faith works!



Trusting in a false "faith and works" gospel or "faith plus works" gospel denies the work Jesus did to save you and renounces Him as the only and true Savior.



Galatians 5:6...
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

Real salvation is found in the true "faith which works" gospel because faith works by love!


FAITH + LOVE = WORKS
FAITH + LOVE = SALVATION, true gospel
This is a real and productive faith.

FAITH - WORKS ≠ LOVE
FAITH - WORKS ≠ SALVATION
FAITH - WORKS = LICENTIOUSNESS, false gospel
This is a dead faith.

FAITH - LOVE ≠ WORKS
FAITH - LOVE ≠ SALVATION
FAITH - LOVE = EMPTY RELIGION, false gospel
This is a superficial faith.

FAITH + WORKS ≠ LOVE
FAITH + WORKS ≠ SALVATION
FAITH + WORKS = LEGALISM, false gospel
This is a counterfeit faith.



There is no need to add works to faith to be saved because faith is what produces works. Moreover, your works cannot save you.



Ephesians 2:8-10...
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

not of works, lest anyone should boast.

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Dividing your faith in Jesus Christ with other people, things or works not only distracts you from Jesus, the only and true Savior, but actually prevents you from receiving salvation which comes only through faith alone in Him.

If you could be saved by your own works in addition to God's grace through faith then you would become your own savior and Jesus would be but merely your co-savior. What blasphemy!


Who else do you believe saves you besides Jesus Christ to insult His name? Do you trust a church denomination, religious leaders or dead people? How many saviors do you put your faith in?

In order for salvation to be received it must be received by faith alone in the only true Savior Jesus Christ. Otherwise it cannot be received at all.



John 14:6...
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12...
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Acts 16:31b...
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved,

[rcruman]

Serving God is to follow Him until the end (your life or end of the world).
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 10:22.

we need to endure the temptation of Evil or Satan and we will be successfull if we endure it until the end.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Hebrews 10:35-39.

FAITH + LOVE = WORKS
FAITH + LOVE = SALVATION, true gospel
This is a real and productive faith.

FAITH - WORKS ≠ LOVE
FAITH - WORKS ≠ SALVATION
FAITH - WORKS = LICENTIOUSNESS, false gospel
This is a dead faith.

FAITH - LOVE ≠ WORKS
FAITH - LOVE ≠ SALVATION
FAITH - LOVE = EMPTY RELIGION, false gospel
This is a superficial faith.

FAITH + WORKS ≠ LOVE
FAITH + WORKS ≠ SALVATION
FAITH + WORKS = LEGALISM, false gospel
This is a counterfeit faith.
To jofox, this equation of yours is biblical and it conforms to the understanding of the bible. Keep it up.

We need to work or labor for our salvation and let us not be weary in well doing.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Galatians 6:8-9.


Peace!

[WinFlo]

faith and good deeds

[eagleseye]

@jofox

Bro, You are just rephrasing the statement but the meaning is still the same. FAITH ALONE CANNOT SAVE YOU, OR FAITH WIHOUT WORKS OR LOVE CANNOT SAVE YOU...

What makes that kind of faith a dead one is the lack of love. Real faith is a faith that works by love.

So, FAITH that has no LOVE is dead.

We cannot be justified by a faith that doesn't work. But yet, neither can we be justified by faith and works.
Once you have attempt to add works to grace you have denied God's grace that is received by faith. Then how are we justified? By faith which works!

What is faith which works? When IT HAS GOOD WORKS... SO AGAIN FAITH WITHOUT GOOD WORK IS DEAD...

We see that a man is justified only by faith which demonstrates itself by works. Works cannot save, faith plus works cannot save, but faith which works does save.

When can we say that faith works? When it produces good works. So is GOOD WORK important? Try to remove Good works or love, Will you be saved? So, Again and again FAITH WITHOUT WORK IS DEAD...

There is no need to add works to faith to be saved because faith is what produces works. Moreover, your works cannot save you.

Again basing your statement... Whether WORK is a product of FAITH, If your FAITH has no GOOD WORK will you be saved? SO again and agian FAITH WITHOUT WORK IS DEAD.
We are not saying that WORKS ALONE CAN SAVE US but rather FAITH WITH GOOD WORKS CAN SAVE US.

Bro, no matter which part of the statement you put GOOD WORK OR LOVE. it is still important... I know you relaize that in your statement.

God be praised!