HEAVEN & HELL or REINCARNATION? what is your belief

[silent-kill]

One of the most challenging question to the atheists is about Morality.

1) Where in the evolutionary process does morality emerged? kinahanglan walay gap theory ha....
2) How would you describe the evolution of morality, is it going better or worse?

Kindly explain in detail....ganahan ko minaw basin naay mas nindot nga explaination ninyo ani.

ka common sense ana oi. just based this fact. we are more tolerant/understanding now than before.
the morality of people today is getting better.

EDIT: more proof before most christian follow the rules of Leviticus, but now they don't because they know its full of BS.
thats the evolutionary process of thinking, that in the end creates morality.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

Yes that’s true but not because of reincarnation but by indoctrination. That’s why it’s so important to know God’s word kay kabalo ta if the influence/inputs nga atong makuha maayo ba or dautan. Let me give an example, allow your child to play wild computer games (wars,battle,fighting,etc.) for a length of time like months or years and see if there is any changes in his behaviour. Do you wonder why some parents nagged their children kay gahi na daw kayo ug ulo, kusog na motubag2 or kiat na kaayo? It is because of the programming nga ilang nakuha in their everyday life. Ask anybody from age 35 up on what they can say and observe sa mga kinaiya karon ug sa ilang panahon. Naa jud kanunay ang fact about the “Degradation of Morality”. It is not evolution, that is corruption.



That is an example of Micro-evolution. Nag-improve atong minds to cope with the ideas accumulated since from the start. But it doesn’t mean nga matugkan ta or modevelop ug laing part sa ulo kay ni-evolve ta.

ok, another question? let's assume this is not bec of reincarnation. nganong naay mga tao nga natawo nga pobre kaayo, unya bisan unsaon pa ug paningkamot, pobre lng gyud gihapon. gipili ba na nila? naa pud uban datu daan kaayo, unya di na kinahanglan maningkamot ky bisag unsaon ug gasto ang kwarta, d gyud mahurot.

naa uban, natao nga Amerkano, Negro, Pinoy, naay uban naay deperensya sa panglawas. gipili ba na nila?

naa uban natao sa pamilya nga Kristyano, Muslim, or Buddhist. Kung ikaw pasulti-on, d diay ta pwede mupili ug unsa ta pagkatawo? Kung pwede, unsa man imong gusto?

[SioDenz]

ka common sense ana oi. just based this fact. we are more tolerant/understanding now than before.
the morality of people today is getting better.

EDIT: more proof before most christian follow the rules of Leviticus, but now they don't because they know its full of BS.
thats the evolutionary process of thinking, that in the end creates morality.

Is common sense in born OR is it Develop/Influenced?

[Breakeven]

ka common sense ana oi. just based this fact. we are more tolerant/understanding now than before.
the morality of people today is getting better.

I dont think you understand what you are saying
More tolerant or more immoral? why youre always using the word "BS" if your morality is getting better, more understanding and tolerant?

EDIT: more proof before most christian follow the rules of Leviticus, but now they don't because they know its full of BS.
thats the evolutionary process of thinking, that in the end creates morality.

Try to understand the subject why it happend like that. Kani lang akong mahatag nga clue, imong parents parehas ba ang pagdala when you were a child (bunalan, disiplinahon) until karon nga naminyo naka (if married)?

[Breakeven]

ok, another question? let's assume this is not bec of reincarnation. nganong naay mga tao nga natawo nga pobre kaayo, unya bisan unsaon pa ug paningkamot, pobre lng gyud gihapon. gipili ba na nila? naa pud uban datu daan kaayo, unya di na kinahanglan maningkamot ky bisag unsaon ug gasto ang kwarta, d gyud mahurot.

common sense raman na jov oi
Basin ang iyang pamaagi dili mo fit in this present time? tingali wala syay knowledge unsay trend karon or basin permanente ra pud sigarilyo, candy sa sidewalk iyang gibaligya? Bisan unsaon nya ug diskarte or matag sayo naglisud gihapon. Also, ang success sa taw depende na sa level of contentment. For him basin kuntento na sya sa kinabuhi and sa atong judgment pobre na sya. We dont know kay and tinud-anay nga fulfillment sa kinabuhi naa sulod nga kalipay.

Ang kadato pud sa taw doesnt guarantee him that he is successful in life or malipayon. Ato gud pagsabot anang successful is economic success which is not the only meaning ana nga word. Anybody can be successful kung sa imong paminaw fulfilled imong kinabuhi ug malipayon ka sa imong kahimtang. Kay bisan pag atong pag interpret we're successful kay naay nindot nga profession, pero kung itupad ka sa mga royal blood....kasabot naka kung asa ka dapit daghan mga professionals gihimo lang ug servants ani nila.

Daghan kwartahan ug background nag suicide. Yes there are individuals that have accumulated huge enough wealth and do you think tungod na sa reincarnation? Its not. But tungod na sa paningkamot sa ilang ginikanan either by right or evil means.

naa uban, natao nga Amerkano, Negro, Pinoy, naay uban naay deperensya sa panglawas. gipili ba na nila?

naa uban natao sa pamilya nga Kristyano, Muslim, or Buddhist. Kung ikaw pasulti-on, d diay ta pwede mupili ug unsa ta pagkatawo? Kung pwede, unsa man imong gusto?

It;s God who choses our races, our parents, our birth. Kinsa man imong nabaloan nga nagpili sa iyang reincarnation? That's the flaw of reincarnation kung imo jud hunahunaon, they said we have an idea of our past lives, meaning active atong thinking gihapon....why not choose to be special the time mo reincarnate ka kung naa man gani kay huna2? Kinsa gud tawhana gusto mahimong OK2 kung hatagan chance pabalikon sa kalibutan.

[Bears Grill]

in your honest opinion bears, is it possible maporma kaha ug taw ning germs* given millions of years? living organism man sad na sila.

YES.

Your question reminded me of a story from John Maynard Smith. He said, once there was a lady who challenged J. B. S. Haldane after a public lecture. The exchange went like this:

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Evolution sceptic: Professor Haldane, even given the billions of years that you say were available for evolution, I simply cannot believe it is possible to go from a single cell to a complicated human body, with its trillions of cells organized into bones and muscles and nerves, a heart that pumps without ceasing for decades, miles and miles of blood vessels and kidney tubules, and a brain capable of thinking and talking and feeling.

JBS: But madam, you did it yourself. And it only took nine months.

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* From Wiki: A germ cell is any biological cell that gives rise to the gametes of an organism that reproduces sexually.

When you say "It's not true because I find it hard to believe," there's actually a term for that, coined by Catholic biologist Kenneth Miller. It's called ARGUMENT FROM INCREDULITY.

A lot of things discovered in science is hard to believe. It's hard to believe that space could curve in the presence of mass or that space and time are "interwoven" as space-time. The common ancestry of all living species, as posited by Darwin, is also very hard to believe. But these two theories, the General/Special Theory of Relativity and Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection, have been tested over and over again to be valid...although refinements have been made along the way. That's why they're both considered very well-established in mainstream science. Scientists don't talk about scientific theories as absolute truths. They treat them as approximations about the observed natural phenomena.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

common sense raman na jov oi
Basin ang iyang pamaagi dili mo fit in this present time? tingali wala syay knowledge unsay trend karon or basin permanente ra pud sigarilyo, candy sa sidewalk iyang gibaligya? Also, ang success sa taw depende na sa level sa iyang contentment. For him basin kuntento na sya sa kinabuhi and sa atong judgment pobre na sya. We dont know kay and tinud-anay nga fulfillment sa kinabuhi naa sulod nga kalipay.

Ang kadato pud sa taw doesnt guarantee him that he is successful or malipayon. Daghan kwartahan ug background nag suicide. Yes there are individuals that have accumulated huge enough wealth and do you think tungod na sa reincarnation? Its not. But tungod na sa paningkamot sa ilang ginikanan either by right or evil means.




It;s God who choses our races, our parents, our birth. Kinsa man imong nabaloan nga nagpili sa iyang reincarnation? That's the flaw of reincarnation kung imo jud hunahunaon, they said we have an idea of our past lives, meaning active atong thinking gihapon....why not choose to be special the time mo reincarnate ka kung naa man gani kay huna2?

naa baya tao nga gi unsa ug paningkamot, mao ra gihapon, bisag unsaon ug tinarong mao ra gihapon, mag dinautan na lng. but dli na mao akong gi point out.

kung ikaw, natawo ka ug pobre nga pamilya, kausa ra or usahay, wa kay kaon sa usa ka adlaw. or didto ba sa africa, nga way tubig or wai pagkaon sa palibot, bata ha, kanang dili pa kabalo motrabaho. ka accept kaha ka sa Ginoo kung mao na iyang buhaton nimo? pasanginlan diay ang Ginoo ana? Love man kaha ang tao sa Ginoo, nganong tagaan man nga magkalisod daan ang tao, para lang magbuhat ug dautan para mo survive? mangawat ba ron, malayo na hinoon sa Ginoo.

[Breakeven]

Trace the cause why it happend that way Understand that Satan/Evil did not exist eternally, it is a parasite. That's why you have the ability to distinguish evil coz we have this morality built-in sa atong pagkataw which is indestructible. Kay sa premiro pa lang sa creation, the first humans, do you think gipang gutom to sila?

Kung wala pa ang politics and individuals greed of money and power, dont you think it's possible that the wealth sa kalibutan be evenly distributed?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

Trace the cause why it happend that way
kay sa premiro pa lang sa creation, the first humans, do you think gipang gutom to sila?

Kung wala pa ang politics and individuals who are greed of money and power, dont you think that it's possible that the wealth sa kalibutan be evenly distributed?

unsay imong pasabot ana? sauna pagboot sa Ginoo ky maayo pa ang dagan sa kinabuhi, unya karon nga ingon ani na atong sitwasyon, di na pagboot sa Ginoo?

[Bears Grill]

I think nobody has given you the authority as well to claim that Atheist’s websites are the only source of true Science.

I'm not. Didn't I keep posting the names of Theists who endorse Darwin's theory: Pope John Paul II, etc.

You're wrong when you claim Darwin's Theory of Evolution By Natural Selection as an ATHEIST-only "belief". Here are few prominent evolutionary biologist who are Theists and who've endorsed the Darwinian theory:

1) Kenneth Miller (Catholic)
2) Francis Collins (Evangelical Christian)
3) Fr. Guy Consolmagno (Catholic)
4) the late American botanist Asa Gray (Presbyterian)
5) the late Ronald Fisher (Christian) and Theodosius Dobzhansky (Russian orthodox), architects of the modern evolutionary synthesis
6) Joan Roughgarden, author of Christian Faith: Reflections of an Evolutionary Biologist (Christian)

Would you say then that they're not Christians because they believe in Evolution? Of course NOT. How sure are you that God himself did not design the universe with Evolution being the mechanism of producing the diversity of life?

The world has been divided because of the forces of evil.

And those who accept Darwin's Theory of Evolution are the forces of evil?

Unsay imong masulti about corruption and pilay utang sa US karon? Balik ta sa imong NAS, do you think walay nagpaluyo aning mga proponents sa evolution theory?

@Bears, bisan unsaon pa nimo ug support na nga idea and use your eloquence dili gihapon na madawat sa kasagaran its because the theory itself is Flawed.

There's little one can do to convince people in a medium like online forums, and I'm not here to convince but to counterpose statements from my perspective. I've already said that the debate between Creationism-versus-Evolution has been played out in a bigger stage and represented by the best of both camps. Case in point: THE DOVER TRIAL. Kenneth Miller and Co. mopped the floor of that courtroom with the heads of the founders of Intelligent Design like Michael Behe.

That trial was to determine whether Intelligent Design (ID) is a science and therefore should be taught in science classrooms. The judge was John E. Jones III, a Lutheran. All the conditions were ripe for a Creationist victory. So what happened? The verdict was a resounding NO. ID is not a science.

Go figure!