There is no such thing as HEAVEN.

[tulisan666]

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blind belief....

tulisan=villain; in all walks of life the villain refuses to obey/follow blindly. he/she speculates.

imong ingnon na mamatay man sa ending ang villain...hehehe

the minute we were born...we begin to die.

[Sinyalan]

So meaning not true that's why I was citing to Him my explation why I firmly believe that heaven and hell do really exist. Where is it I don't know, but because of my faith and trust in Him I do believe without hesitation...
This is what I'm trying to tell the first time. People speculate that there is heaven and there is hell well in fact, no one can commit that the place ever existed.

My friend, The same thing also happened to Saint Agustine before. He was questioning the mysteries of God. When saint Agustine was walking along the shore, dunay usa ka bata nga nakapadani sa attention ni Agustine. Ang gihimo sa maong bata nagkawot cya ug lungag sa sand then nagkuha ug kabo then nikabo ug tubig sa dagat unya gibutang sa gikawot niya nga lungag. Niduol si San Agustine ug gipangutana niya ang bata, "Dong nag unsa man ka dha?" Nitubag ang bata, "Akong ibalhin ang tubig sa dagat aning lungag Sir." Nibadlong si Agustine, "Dili kana mahimo Dong, gamay ra kaau kanang lungag ug ang dagat perting dakoa". Then from that time on Agustine realized that how could he understand all Gods mysteries nga ang atong panghuna huna perti ramang gamaya i-compare sa indefinite mind of God.

Who knows what St. Augustine told stories that time. During the ealy times, it's easy to made up stories because there were no computers to state all his factual findings or should I say made-up stories. There were too little people to understand what heaven and hell are all about. In thier torn beliefs, the only refuge they can go is through the church, yes, it was a big help for the people that needed help building their faith. So, priests preach and preach that people who are oppressive will go to hell and the meek will go to heaven. As I have said before... can anyone tell me what heaven or hell looks like? Fires of Hell -- it's authored not factual. Angels in heaven - speculations because no one can account that findings because NOBODY came back to life that there are Angels. Don't tell me that angels wear whites... because that's plain hollywod talking.

[Sinyalan]

the minute we were born...we begin to die.

You mean brod, we inherit death! not begin to die. Because if that's the point of your statement, it's a doubtful issue.

[eagleseye]

This is what I'm trying to tell the first time. People speculate that there is heaven and there is hell well in fact, no one can commit that the place ever existed.

Because of our faith we firmly believe wihout hsitation what Jesus talk about heaven and hell is true. And where is the physical location of it only God knows... Saint Paul is very right in saying, The more we call our selves philosphers we more grow stupid... My friend, just wait for the judgement day and you will know everything... and its too late also at that time because we could no longer comeback and correct the past...

When the rich man ask God to come back to earth because he still have brothers living in sin, God said, i have already sent messengers and even one will raise from the dead if they dont want to believe it is still useless...

Who knows what St. Augustine told stories that time.

That's story is taken from the books of Saint Agustine, if my memory serves me right. What im pointing in the story is that, there are Gods mysteries that our limited mind cound not find answers because Gods mind is infinite. And thus needs only faith and trust to Him.

God be praised kapatid!

[xFreeAtLastx]

wow interesting kaayu ni nga topic dah.

well para nako, while naa ta sa kalibutan karon, maninguha ta nga mag binut-an ug maka buhat ug mga butang nga makapalipay sa Ginoo.
you know, live life in a way that merits God ba.

i mean, would you rather live with the solid conviction that heaven and even hell does not exist,and do things with no remorse over what the consequences may or may be in store for you in the afterlife, and find out in the end that it did and ur soul ends up rotting away in hell?

or would you believe otherwise, and live in a way that pleases God, even if u arent really certain on the existence of heaven/hell, and find out in the end that it DOES exist, and you are therefore saved because nag tinarong ka dri sa kalibutan?? akoa rasad nang opinion hehehe

[tulisan666]

You mean brod, we inherit death! not begin to die. Because if that's the point of your statement, it's a doubtful issue.-Sinlayan

bsag unsaon pag sulit...the minute we were born pumapatak na ang oras....we begin to die...unsa may imong pasabot na inherit death.

we are doomed to begin with...we all die, one way or the other. nobody lives forever...unless kundili ka human....

[rcruman]

We are supposed to live forever, but because the transgression of Adam we inherit death.

As God say:
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:16-17.

That's why in the history of the bible no one reached 1 day, we all die.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8.

And the oldest living man recorded in the history of the bible was:
And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. Genesis 5: 27.

Adam lived only 930 years: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Genesis 5:5.

Peace!

[tulisan666]

so we inherit death, we are still doomed...we begin to die...still the same. death in unavoidable...for every life, naa dyud nay death.

[necrotic freak]

we humans are oblige to surpass death so to transcend unto life eternity, which is the dwelling place of God the supreme being..

where is heaven? - only death can lead you to heaven if indeed you r worthy. so ayaw mo pangutana kung asa na dapit kung buhi pamo.

where is hell? - para nako dili na kinahanglan mamatay ka pra maka kita sa hell. bisag diri sa kalibutan maka sinati nata sa hell "hell on earth" i might say.. wa ba mo naka bantay sa mga balita nga mga patay, gubat, corrupt leaders, famine etc.. thats the nature of hell on earth.

[rcruman]

where is heaven? - only death can lead you to heaven if indeed you r worthy. so ayaw mo pangutana kung asa na dapit kung buhi pamo.

Not by death that you can go to heaven.
It will happen when you are judged and Christ will get you on His second coming.
There are people who wont experience death and still they can go to heaven.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

PEace!