Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[rynzco]

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ari ko sa bible....

[jheadz]

i just bliv only the almighty God balance rako sa science ug bible

[lady_veedever]

pwede both? wa btaw ma wa.

[AMD_fan]

first thing, di ko agnostic bro kay wa man ko ni claim nga "tinuod or fact" na uban nga gods dira. wa man ko ka experience nga tinoud na cla. ni ingon ra ko, possible if and only if mahapen to akong gi explain sa ibabaw.

Kung tinuod man gani na na experience na nimo ang imong God, nganong mo ingon man ka nga possible pa sa ubang god nga tinuod? Dapat mo ingon na ka nga wala nay laing ginoo kung di ang akong ginoo kay nakikita or nakadungog gyud ko niya...

cge bro if dili ko atheist, unsay may tawag anang dili mag pray taga adlaw for so many years, dili mu simba excpet if naay kaon?

if mu ingon ka di ko atheist, unsa man lugar ko?
define atheist. atheist = unbeliever to ANY kind of god.

expect kung naay kaon? Gluttony... joke ra bro..

Ang agnostic bro, mo too naay ginoo pero dli xa sure kung kinsa gyud ang ginoo... dli pud ni sila mo simba ug mag pray taga adlaw ug dli pud mo simba....

ako on the other hand di ko mu tuo nga ni christian ka sauna bro. as what youve mention nga ni agi na kunohay ka ana. imu tanan pamilya dyosnon and etc.
pero mu tuo ko christian by name ka sauna. ni tuo ka sa Ginoo base sa unsa ilang gipang tudlo nimo.. base sa unsa na ifluence nimu pag grow up.
sa imung utok ra. pero wa man ka ka find ug evidence kay scientific mind man kunohay ka, mao na na atheist ka.. am i right so far?

lol... yes wa ko evidence ana, I'm just grilling you psychologically...

lahi man na cla bro kay cla boang man jd na nga boang. a crazy person doesnt know he's crazy. mura rana ang "fully" drunk person doesnt know he's drunk. dili kanang pahubog hubog ha, kanang hubog jd 100%. nya ga take na ug drugs ang uban.

Just like hallucinating persons with severe faith and severe knowing that that kind of thing would happen miraculously...

dili ka mu compara nako ana kay tarung ko nga tao. don't take drugs and dont do vices or unsa pa bah na. in other words normal ko nga tao. imagina if boang ko nga tao, maka anhi kaha ko sa istorya nya mu reason ug ingon ani?
nya ang normal nga tao if khbaw cla ga hallucinate cla, mu consult na cla ug doctor. unless if boang na jd na, para nila normal nana.

ya you don't take drugs but believes in mysteries and miracles... Kay kung dli paka mo too ug mysteries ug miracles, you would absolutely think you were hallucinating... Just like for example nga wa jud kahibaw or kaila bisan sa word lng anang mga gods, religions or miracles or unsa pero ni kalit lng naay ni sulti nimo unya wa ka kaila, natural mangutana jud ka unsa to, so mo consult gyud ka ug doctor nganong naka experience ka ug ingon ato...

Unlike sa imong situation nga AWARE ka sa word nga GOD, aware ka sa word nga miracle ug unsa na ug aware pud ka sa imong word nga revelation... it's just like that... gets?

katong gi link nako nimu bro nga creation vs evolution. cge atbanga na dayon toh. kay ako i took me even a week to fully read understand that link.

lol... akong gi sulti nimo is pag post ug usa ka topic or usa ka article dri sa istorya kay atong atbangan, dli kay maghatag ka ug sources nya ako pang ad2on sa laing website? ka hasol ba... hehehe... kanang nka sabot gyud ka unsa imong gi post ug butangi pud ug comment after sa article kay atong atbangan...

pakita daw ko sa imung mga evidence nga gipang tanaw, kay gipang tanaw naman kunohay nimu "tanan possible" evidence... so sa ato pa.. know it all na ayo ka?

Dli na know it all bay... I'm just certain that there's an answer to that...

so i suppose you've written science books nga ikaw ang author? kay grabe namaan ayo kag kaalaman..

Hopefully....

kung unbiased ka bro, dapat ka mu look in to both scientific evidence mu support sa imung beliefs, ug sa akong scientific evidence mu support sa akong beliefs without giving any favor of either of them.
dili ingon nga atheist ka, mu give ka more time to your beliefs and less time to my beliefs kay di ka ganahan or unsa bah.

That's it... wa gihapon ka ka gets? I looked into both scientific evidences that supported your beliefs and supported my beliefs... I was a christian since childhood and I'm even a member of kids of christ, youth for christ and singles for christ... I was even given a rank which is the Chapter head of my chapter... I'm just a curious type of guy that would look into answers to every questions for what I believe in... But sadly, there's no such thing as evidence or any type of physical evidence that would lead up to the bible's teachings...

Mao nang na atheist ko because I'm unbiased... not like you that keep on searching for your own beliefs... even have sources for your own beliefs... wa ka mag basa bisag sa evolution or any kind of scientific evidence that would lead up to our existence? If you have read and understand all that, I'm sure you would become an atheist...

cge sayop ko nga ni assume ko ni claim ka ug "hoax". kay ni ingon man ka ug "scientific kunohay" sa akong evidence so i assumed ni believe ka ug hoax.
pero since ni deny ka nga wa ka ni claim ug hoax, cge sayop ko nga ni claim ko ana.

lol... wa pa gani ka naghatag dri ug imong evidence imo nako gi ingnan na mo sulti ko ug hoax nga wa ra ba jud ko mag sulti nga bisag unsa imong e-post, hoax jud na... I'm just making sure that you won't post any hoaxes and are profound ones...

dili man jd ingon ma search nimu sa google tinuod na dayon na. heck, not even all nat geo or discovery channel shows are 100% true. naa jd nay sagol lies ang media bro. to figure out the truth, takes a lifetime.
pero di sad ingon nga tanan naa sa google hoax dba? alangan naman, if mao na, den why do we even bother to surf. why do you even bother to search for that link nga "No Answer In Genesis"?

Bro, ni ingon ba diay ko tanan naa sa google hoax? what I just said to you is you can't just say it's true by just searching by google and see there's a bunch of results that it's true would be definitely true...

Lol.. I didn't search noanswersingenesis.org bro, I'm a big fan of their site hence kaila ra pud nako ang uban admin...

for now bro, naa koy nakitan sa google. pero di ko convince aning ebidensya. kay pulos ra picture2x ug video sa youtube dali ra ayo na ma edit ug manipulate ang pictures ug dili tanan video sa youtube accurate. dont worry il try to find one better.

Nice... ana gyud... be meticulous...

BUT ang difference nato, ikaw kailangan ug ebidensya sa tanan para mu tuo. ako di. mao gani faith dba?

That's the difference between an atheist and a believer... Cause every religion in the world needs faith... And every religion in the world said they were the perfect religion and even said they were the truth just requiring your faith with them... That's why you should have evidence to answer kinsa jud nila... unsaon nlang diay ug sige kag tuo ana imong ginoo unya unsa bang pagka unsa nga si Shiva lage diay ang ginoo kay cge rman kag faith without looking or exploring into other religions...

for now i dig lang sa to ang Creation Vs Evolution and have unbiased research about it. Creation Versus Evolution

mangayo ka ug sources?
[1] Ross, Hugh, The Fingerprint of God, p. 168
[2] Submarine Volcanic Ecosystems (An article on hydrothermal vents.)
[3] Introduction to Evolutionary Biology, Version 2, by Chris Colby
[4] Linnaeus, Carolus, “Systema naturae” (1735).
[5] "Excess Argon": The "Achilles' Heel" of Potassium-Argon and Argon-Argon "Dating" of Volcanic Rocks
[6] Bowden, Malcolm (1991) Science vs. Evolution, Sovereign Publications, Kent, p. 117—referring to the article by Funkhouser, J.G. and Naughton, J.J. “Radiogenic Helium and Argon in Ultramafic Inclusions from Hawaii” Journal of Geophysical Research 15th July 1968 v73 n14 p 4601-7.
[7] Bowden, Malcolm (1991) Science vs. Evolution, Sovereign Publications, Kent, p. 116—referring to the article by Fisher, D.E. Nature Physical Science 19 July 1971 v232 p60-61.
[8] Bowden, Malcolm (1991) Science vs. Evolution, Sovereign Publications, Kent, p. 119—referring to the article by Gleadow, A.J.W., “Fission track age of the KBS Tuff and associated hominid remains in northern Kenya” Nature 20 March 1980 v284 p225-230.
[9] Russel, K. M. 1976. Workers Find Whale in Diatomaceous Earth Quarry. Chemical and Engineering News. 54(41):48. (October 4, 1976 issue).
[10] Mount St. Helens: Explosive Evidence for Catastrophe, video. Available through The Institute for Creation Research.
[11] Bowden, Malcolm (1977) APE-MEN - Fact or Fallacy?, Sovereign Publications, Kent, p. 76-79

nahan paka more? cge i.unbiased study sa na ha.


give me links nga proven true na jd ang evolution. dili kanang theories ha.. and i will look up to it. unbiasedly


if you say so brader

brader ngano nag hatag nman nuon kag sources, blah, blah... what I need for you is the most definitive answers of yours that noah's ark existed and not these bunch of sources... gets?

Ganahan ka ug proven true jud ang evolution? read your science books... search for it... I don't have to give you sources cause there are plenty of sources more than you would imagine... or if you don't like searching, just visit the site: noanswersingenesis.org.au... by the way, just comment where evolution is wrong...

yup di ko ka blame ni sulti ka ug hallucination. but ni defend rako nga di ni hallucination. mao ra. base sa akong gi sulti sa taas. if di ka mu tuo, aw den i respect ur hallucination view.

Absolutely, then respect my views that it's hallucination... naa rman diay na...

bro dont try to twist the issue here, i was talking about why the people long time ago write these things and articles. i wasnt talking about God. ni answer nako nimu ana sa taas sa revelations 1:8. pero di man ka mu tuo ani dba?

You said that every cause has an effect, so nganong mo tuo man ka ana nga wa may cause imong god? Ni insist pa gani jud ka nga every effect naa juy cause...

how could there be an effect without a cause?

but i suppose as atheist as u are mu tubag ka ug
how can there be a God (effect) without a cause? dba? like i said bro. revelations 1:8.. but ikaw di ka mu tuo ana dba kay para nimo binobot rana sa mga tao ryt? ana pd ko sauna bro. appear beh! naa man day tah something in common. lol. difference lang.. naay miracle na happen sa ako. ikaw wala "pa". hopefully mayta naa pud.

if naay mahapen nako na miracle like just there's somebody talking inside my head unya way tao, mo consult gyud dayon ko ug doctor... hehehe

kung mag cause and effect ra jd tah scientifically bro huna hunaa tarong. infinite causes na. can there be an infinite cause? NO. mao gani naa juy beginning. the only effect nga walay cause.

Yes naay beginning... but for God who is so unimaginably the most complicated thing in the universe would just pop out into existence without a cause... hmmm... hehehe...

It's better to understand that every particle has no beginning... than to suggest that a complicated one pops out and suddenly made everything...

so matod pa sa imung scientific mind..
effect - human, cause - apes and the rest of evolution
effect - evolution, cause -?
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nig abot nato sa pinaka root sa "most accepted theory sa beginnig sa time"
effect - big bang theory, cause - ?
nya kanang cause sa ga ga cause sa bigbang? nya cause sa cause sa ga himu ug big bang? nya cause nasad atong cause cause..

Of course naa jud nay cause ang big bang... bro, dli man ta superman nga mkahibaw dayon sa tubag... Ang science bro hangtod karon nag gather gihapon ug evidence... dli kay inig largo nimo tukod ug science, naa na dayon answer ang tanan... lol...

if IT programmer ka bro, mao nay tawag "infinite loop"
mura rana mu ingon ka ug "kay?(why)"
nahuog sa jeep. kay? nagdinanghag. kay? wala sa presence of mind. kay? wala nag breakfast. kay? walay kwarta. kay? wala nag trabaho. kay? gi fire sa trabaho. kay? wala nag tinarong. kay? etc etc etc. infinite na bro. same with science. cause and effect.

Absolutely, then?

mao gani revelations 1:8. naa jud nay beginning bro.


look sa pinaka taas nako nga tubag.

ganina pa ko sig tanaw, lol...

kapila naman ko ni answer ani sa ibabaw? i think you need to absorb my reply more kay murag wa ka ka g

Yes kapila naka ni answer sa babaw, pero kapila pud ka nangutana?

I'm just answering it, you know... if you get what I mean...

dont confuse urself bro, I am certain about my God. nganu? ive stated it above, dont make me repeat things all over again. ur just confusing urself

So you're certain about your God... but your not certain of other Gods that they are the true god...?

Tabla ra ni ingon ka nga ang nagkawat sa akong cellphone si Juan gyud kay nakakita gyud ka, pero sa imong huna2x nagduda gihapon ka nga si pedro ang gakuha? is that what you are thinking?

good question. nganu bro? kay if i base nimu sa science nga nasugod tah ug big bang theory, asa man nag sugod ang life? earth started with no life. nya cge i support daw na ang evolution nga from no life to life to micro-organism. give me proofs that supports your claim. kay uve said a while ago "na agian na nimu tanan proofs about sa bible nya you claim wa pakay nakita tinuod nga evidence"
so i suppose na agian nasad nimu tanan proofs sa imung evolution.
and don't forget to question if it's a hoax. matod pa nimo

Ha? unsa ba diayng pagka unsaa, wa diay mo tudloi sa inyong maestro/maestra about how life started? kinsa man inyo science teacher? lol...

You have to study hard about Abiogenesis... hehehe...

Just read this kay pwerte taasa sa explanation, basin di nya ka kasabot...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Obviously, it's not a hoax cause there are TONS of evidence... And no one in this world would said it's a hoax...

*unya nako mu reply sa uban kay dapat nako mu lakaw 3pm. lol. il reply your other haf sa thread nig abot nako balay 11pm *

sorry pud bro kay na delay akong reply, out of the country man gud ko every Friday to Sunday unya pwerte ka busy...

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So wala gyud diay gi gamit ang commonsense sa pope ug sa ubang christians... Wala pud ga gamit ug commonsense ang unang tao nga motoo ani...

Ngano naka ingon man ka na wala sila ga gamit ? Ni ingon diay ang POPE na tinuod jud ni ? maski kins ana THEOLOGIAN pangutan-on nimo , its not meant to be undestood literally but then sadly tinuod man jud na naay ni sabot ani literally .

Pero ang ako lang nahibungan nga ang fable gi butang sa unang bahin sa bibliya....

Actually gi bawi na nako ang word na FABLE because misuse it instead of PARABLE but then wala man pod ko ni sulti na ang Book of Genesis is a parable though for me it is because it implies something more deeper kung sabton lang jud .

So kung ikaw ginoo, nganong importante man kani nimo nga ikaw rmang usa gamhanan sa tanan?

Of course ! Sama nimo ug the rest sa mga ATHEIST ... If ako ang GINOO and I made you , its only proper and right for you guys to recognize me as your CREATOR . Makes sense ?

Ngano naka ingon man ka nga dli mo mutate? Do you have any evidence to contradict mutation by natural selection?

Di ba ni ingon na man ka from APES ni erect ang ang postures sa HOMO ERECTUS ? Ngano mga tao sa SOUTH and NORTHPOLE or kanang diha dapita , even Alaska .... dili man balbon ang mga locals didto na di ba the WHOLLY MAMMOTH is wrap in think coat man unta to protect them from below zero temps ? Wala unta na ni mutate ang tao pod pero kay ngano walay labong na balhibo man and tibuok lawas ? Because HUMAN BEINGS are just like that .

Uu sakto pero nausab gihapon ilang languange ug ilang traits... I'm not talking about physical features... Ako ra gi compare ang logical explanation... Pananglitan naay mutation sa ungoy unya katong ungoya nag dala ato nga mutation, natural maliwat iyang anak hangtod na mausab na gyud ug mabuwag na sila kompara sa ordinaryo nga ungoy... pero ang ungoy natural dli mawagtang... na buwag lang ang lahi species...

Dili oi .... ngano di man ka talk about PHYSICAL FEATURES when in fact ikaw man ni explain gani about the monkeys ni shorten ang fingers that became what is man today kay di na gamiton man tungod no need na mo kapyot sa kahoy .

Pareha sa breeding sa mga iro, ang poodle wala mawagtang bisag aduna nay labradoodle nga breed... ang shih tzu ug ang maltese wala mawagtang bisag aduna nay malshih nga breed... gets?

Sa laktod na istorya , naa unta ang mga NEANDERTHAL MAN , CAVEMEN , etc hantod karon unta if that is the case .

Pareha ani imong example... mailhan rman gyud nimo nga lahi ra ang pinoy ug negrito, per sila atong ancestors, na wagtang ba sila? Ang kanang mga negrito, malay, indones, us, all have a common ancestor...

Sama ra lage na mo ingon ka na unsay naay sa ancestors nato billions of years ago na naa gihapon nato karon . Mind you kana na ancestors ako gipasabot kay centuries old pa lang . mao na akong gipasabot , proven siya because someone or somebody confirmed it kay its in a lifetime period unlike sa panahon na gipasabot nimo , kinsay mo vouch ato nila .

Bro, wala napud ka kasabot... Ang atong ancestor bro is apes since we mutated from apes... apes hence were mutated from a common ancestor of monkeys and apes... gets?

WHy are you so certain that we mutated from APES ? Like I said ... if naay mutation ngano naay nagpabilin man lage na original specie ?

Like gorillas, we share the same common ancestor, of course, we did not came from gorillas... Just imagine it like a family tree.... Kung ang imong mama igsuon sa imong tiya, natural dli gyud ka anak sa imong tiya, anak gyud ka sa igsuon sa imong tiya... if you get what I mean...

Natural kay mao man na explanation nimo but then it is not certain and not in this lifetime , gubang plaka na ta ani . Pero balikon nato logic nimo .... no matter what kinsay BIOLOGICAL PARENTS nimo , we still share something in common sa genes sa immediate family nato to include our first degree relatives . Pangitaa kuno ang gi share nato na genes sa supposed na ancestors nato that will justify that we share the same blood type , working organs , pool of genes etc sa atong " ancestors " that still existed till today .

You're right, monkeys have their own species, just like humans and apes... then?

A cow cant be a goat , a snake cant be a cat , a dog cant be a plant and so on and so forth .

Unsa nang tsongo? karon pman ko kadungog ana... hehehe... sorry ha...

mao na siya bisaya sa Philippine Macaque bai hehehehe ... endemic nato na unggoy .

Why am I sure? because of the vast evidences that evolution does happen and it's a fact... A change in a way of living of any animals will surely mutate from it's natural atmosphere... Way klaro imong example, captive siya pero it ate the same typical diet as a turtle... natural unsaon pagka usab ana kung normal lang?

Huh ? take the dogs for example ... a captive na wild dog as a pup or adult will eat dogfood , trust me because Ive seen one . Pero the moment buhian nimo siya sa habitat niya , he or she will always be the carnivore he or she was meant to be .

Anyways ... unsa gani to ang steps / procedures in doing SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ? It should end with a CONCLUSION aron mahimo siyang FACT right ? The evidences gathered could be wrong but for the moment its a good lead for studies and research purposes .

Kung ikaw mo too gyud ka ug bibliya (which is the word of God daw), you should take it literally...

I do believe in both actually , SCIENCE and the BIBLE na tandem jud na sila but I am a THEIST . Sarado Katoliko ko , anyways .... I use my commonsense in understanding the bible though I may not be that well educated or well verse sa contents but I did read it one time straight the Book of Genesis to Revelation . I dont use the bible as a reasoning in debunking something , I make soure though BIBLE is tandem with SCIENCE .

Do you really think that Jesus raise dead people ? Fed 5000 people with a couple of loaves of bread ? made wine out of water ? The answer is no but it reaches out to something that people think is a " fable " my bad instead of being a PARABLE .

One reason you should take the Bible literally if you are a bible believer, is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally. Whenever the Lord Jesus quoted from the Old Testament, it was always clear that He believed in its literal interpretation. As an example, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, He answered by quoting the Old Testament. If God’s commands in Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:13, and 6:16 were not literal, Jesus would not have used them and they would have been powerless to stop Satan’s mouth, which they certainly did.

Mind you also that LITERAL UNDERSTANDING doesnt equate to SIMILAR INTERPRETATION . Ok we both understood it literally but it doesnt mean na ang atong pagsabot pareho . We could end up with totally different views to it but then we are not bible scholars so its not right to say which is right and which is wrong thats why I rely more on commonsense because it makes more sense in a deeper understanding of it on my behalf .

So motoo pud diay kag evolution?

Of course I do , thats what I said about relating it to ORGANIC FARMING right ??

You don't want science to carry its evidence for evolution including anthropology but you believe that anthropology which is obviously a branch of science is effective in finding uncovered writings for your religion...

You are trying to say that I would say everything about SCIENCE is wrong hehehe ... dili bai . Some are not just CERTAIN yet and not in this lifetime .

Yes of course science and history na kay it's just a writing which existed and of course popular in religious fields... It doesn't add up to the evidence of the bible... It just uncovered an ancient texts like sankrits and other religious texts...

If that is the case , you are basically saying na sayop ang findings and conclusions sa mga ANTHROPOLOGY people who made the discovery .

Sad to say, there's no evidence leading to miracles...

Indeed that is true and you know walay evidence ? Hehehe because SCIENCE is not capable of handling it . heard of the LANCIANO EUCHARISTIC MIRACLE bai ? Hands up mga DOCTORS and SCIENTIST ato , isa gud sila sa white flag .

[schmuck]

Chad, if there was ever a Blasphemy Challenge you'd have a chance of joining I bet you you'd win first prize. You are a foul-mouthed atheist. You definitely stand out from the others.

I didn't know quoting someone(Eli Soriano) was offensive.

[moot]

Haha, smuck if i'll have time I can dig so many of those, coming from the man himself, mao lay akong immediate nga nakit-an.

[chad_tukes]

yeah, didn't Eli say that? i was merely quoting him.

[sexykaren]

ako ky sa base sa bible jud akoa bisan unsaon.

[gkoopir]

im not arguing you about your point. you have every right.

im citing you a contradiction of your own Bible Verse you posted. Now explain in lay-mans term, why is this a "clear as a crystal" contradiction?

ay'g eliko ang topic... topic is who do you believed? karon imong e-liko sa contradiction? if you will understand it text by text mao nang ing.ana.
GOD created a man and it is stated in genesis and my previous post is one of the backup of my answer that it is true..
In science kinsa man nag tudlo ug circumcise? Diin gikan ang science in creation of man? Atleast in the bible it is stated that GOD had commanded and made a covenant with MAN.