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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwardzed View Post
    Unya Free naman pud ang mga pulis mo EJK.
    Bitaw kumedya ra,
    Sakto baya iyang giingon pero sa laing bahin sa ilang giingon pa kung sobra dili na pud maayo, kinahanglan balance pud,
    Naay freedom and naa puy control, dili man pud happy ang tawo kung restricted na kaayo, mao pud na ang rason tingale ngano wala kaayo mo-prosper ang communism, naa pa man gani nahibilin karon China and Vietnam pero eased nila ang commerce nga side nahimo na silang capitalist nga communist. , unya medyo dili na pud kaayo hugot ilang pag-dumala.

    I believe nga ang vital asset sa usa ka nasud is ang iyang mga tawo, unya inherently ang maga tawo dili man robot nga puwede nimo mandahan unsa imong gusto unya mosugot ra pud dayon naa man nay kaugalingong paminsar, unya moreklamo ug mo-rebelde gyud na kung dili kauyon, labi na karon nga naa nay CHR mosamot na ka reklamador, unya sila ra bay saligan bahin sa industriya mao nga ayohon lang pud tingale pag-dala.

    So makasulti ko nga dili pud angayan ebalewala ang freedom importante pud na kung progress atong istoryahan.
    heheheh maau nang naa pud komedya ginagmay morag tagay lng sa eskina ba

    bitaw naa jud ka point boss about sa level of control....
    share lng pud ko gamay bahalg ma pul.an mo k sg based permi akong context
    sa unang panahon katong rebuilding stage pa ang sg k grabe ka taas ang level of control sa govt pra sa ilang citizens.
    like kato nga mga ordinances akong g sample sa past nga post, daun press freedom limited, speech freedom limited, basta limited halos tanang lihok....e try ug google pwerting daghana
    ako ma hinomdoman k;
    - dli pwedi imong atangan ang usa ka tao nga nag lakaw
    - bawal nga dli pa skwelahon ang mga anak
    - bawal mag kanta2x (Obscene Songs)
    - bawal mag fist fight
    - bawal ang public disturbance (ang ilang definition sa public disturbance k taas kaau)
    - crime ang destruction of public property

    kadum.dum ko sa rape basta below 18 yrs old ang victim k 18 pud ka latigo, nya amo komedyahan amo kauban nga mejo bag.ohay pa diri sa una..amo g ingnan, "nya unsaman? mka antos kag 18 ka latigo?...na hala ripa na ang mga gwapa diri"...hahahah


    daun after pila ka years nga na disiplina na ang mga tao, i.e. na anad na sa mga pwedi ug mga dli pwedi k ni loosen na ang govt sa ilang pag control sa ilang citizens.....g revise na ang mga old laws para mo fit sa current nga panahon.

    mao nag dahom ko mao pud unta ni mahitabo dha sa pinas

    pero sa pinas k lahi man ang nahitabo, k na anad man mangurakot, mangawat, mang rape, mang hold up, maligya shabu, mga pulis abosado, govt employees abosado...to the point nga morag mao na hinoon na ang nahimong sakto sa mga tan.aw sa mga tao labi na sa mga bata hahahaha
    Last edited by İharlie Mİ; 08-24-2017 at 04:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by İharlie Mİ View Post
    heheheh maau nang naa pud komedya ginagmay morag tagay lng sa eskina ba

    bitaw naa jud ka point boss about sa level of control....
    share lng pud ko gamay bahalg ma pul.an mo k sg based permi akong context
    sa unang panahon katong rebuilding stage pa ang sg k grabe ka taas ang level of control sa govt pra sa ilang citizens.
    like kato nga mga ordinances akong g sample sa past nga post, daun press freedom limited, speech freedom limited, basta limited halos tanang lihok....e try ug google pwerting daghana
    ako ma hinomdoman k;
    - dli pwedi imong atangan ang usa ka tao nga nag lakaw
    - bawal nga dli pa skwelahon ang mga anak
    - bawal mag kanta2x (Obscene Songs)
    - bawal mag fist fight
    - bawal ang public disturbance (ang ilang definition sa public disturbance k taas kaau)
    - crime ang destruction of public property

    kadum.dum ko sa rape basta below 18 yrs old ang victim k 18 pud ka latigo, nya amo komedyahan amo kauban nga mejo bag.ohay pa diri sa una..amo g ingnan, "nya unsaman? mka antos kag 18 ka latigo?...na hala ripa na ang mga gwapa diri"...hahahah


    daun after pila ka years nga na disiplina na ang mga tao, i.e. na anad na sa mga pwedi ug mga dli pwedi k ni loosen na ang govt sa ilang pag control sa ilang citizens.....g revise na ang mga old laws para mo fit sa current nga panahon.

    mao nag dahom ko mao pud unta ni mahitabo dha sa pinas

    pero sa pinas k lahi man ang nahitabo, k na anad man mangurakot, mangawat, mang rape, mang hold up, maligya shabu, mga pulis abosado, govt employees abosado...to the point nga morag mao na hinoon na ang nahimong sakto sa mga tan.aw sa mga tao labi na sa mga bata hahahaha
    Yup, Autocratic rule works for them, BUT democratic rule also works perfectly well with most western countries even in South Korea.

    Of the countless “rags-to-riches” stories told throughout the ages, there are none as astounding as those that have played out in South Korea and Singapore over the past half-century. Once in the company of the world’s poorest and least developed, the two countries have thoroughly transformed themselves into ultra-wealthy hubs of global commerce. In terms of GDP, South Korea ranks 13 in the world, with an economy of $1.4 trillion. Singapore, meanwhile, is the 36th richest country with an economy of $307 billion. The global median GDP is around $33 billion. Moreover, South Korea has a GPD per capita of $34,355 and Singapore a whopping $82,763, far exceeding the global median of approximately $11,000.
    Although Singapore and South Korea have progressed to relatively similar positions of economic power today, the same cannot be said of their respective political climates. On one hand, South Korea has abandoned its authoritarian past and has flourished into one of the world’s foremost democracies. On the other, although Lee Kuan Yew’s reign ended almost 25 years ago, Singapore retains much of its founder’s authoritarian influence through both the PAP and the current presidency of Lee Hsien Loong, Lee Kuan Yew’s son. Singapore today is still fundamentally undemocratic.
    Singapore’s Stubborn Authoritarianism

    I think the problem is not the populace itself but is attributed directly by the government and may I say a very corrupt government. Then what will happen if the government will impose laws to control the people while it is in such a state of being corrupt? , I have one good scenario and that is they can effectively corrupt because laws will shield them against censures and even will silence those who wishes to oppose their dirty undertakings.

    I could say that the rise in criminality faced now in the Philippines including drug abuse and proliferation is caused by the government for being corrupt for instead of developing economic infrastructures that will create jobs and livelihood they only fill up their pockets with the money that is supposedly intended for national development purposes. The result is lack of education for some, lack of jobs, increase in poverty levels, etc. that contributes to increase in criminality. I'm sure any person do have a will to survive and in desperate times they will always do desperate measures and means just to keep on living, that's why hold-ups,robberies, selling of shabu, etc. exist and become rampant to satisfy that urgency.

    I could say, impose more restriction towards government officials swaying them not to become corrupt and should be in LKY style, so that they can manage the nation much better and should provide efficiently what is necessarily needed.

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    naa to time nga to time nga gi pa taasan ang multa sa traffic violation sa cebu. nang reklamo ang mga jeepney driver kai anti-poor daw na nga policy.. unsaon nalang daw ang mga pobre nga dili ka afford sa multa

    parihas ra sa mga ilado nga drug adik ug pusher, kahibaw ilahang pamilya nga dili maayo ang binuhatan pero gi konsinte kai nakinabang man pud sila sa income. kung ma pusilan (kai ni sukol) >> patay.
    mo ingon2x dayon sa media nga good provide
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    Quote Originally Posted by bordogoy View Post
    I get it. So there's no reason nga dli matumba si Lim and De Lima right?
    If it were up to you boss, tumba ni silang tanan. Unfortunately, there are forces at play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    If it were up to you boss, tumba ni silang tanan. Unfortunately, there are forces at play.
    I think mas maayo man guro nga unahon ning pinakadako kaysas katong mga small time lang boss. IMO, there will be less casualties/damage this way kay i'm sure mas daghang small timers kaysas "roots" jd and mas dali masulbad kay walay namay mosupply sa mga galamay. And the fact that gipang EJK ang small timers kay will lessen the "root's" chance of getting caught kay malessen man ang evidence/witness. And that makes the "roots" more invulnerable. Whereas kung gitarong sa atong kapulisan ang ilang trabaho (like what PDut said), basin makatabang pa tong mga small timers in solving big cases and we can give them witness protection pd so they feel safe pd. Like what we always say, "gipangpatay nis ilang boss ang uban". So we can catch those guys before their boss kills them then we make them feel safe para mokanta sila ug knsay ilang amo. I know it's hard to do but it's doable right? Makaingon na jd ko nga dli lang ni "fantasy".
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  6. #14236
    Quote Originally Posted by Dwardzed View Post
    Yup, Autocratic rule works for them, BUT democratic rule also works perfectly well with most western countries even in South Korea.

    I could say, impose more restriction towards government officials swaying them not to become corrupt and should be in LKY style, so that they can manage the nation much better and should provide efficiently what is necessarily needed.

    nindot jud ni imong g ingon boss nga "impose more restriction towards government officials swaying them not to become corrupt"......

    pero k democratic man mao ni nahitabo:

    (1) --> naay legislative proposal (in favor for the rich and/or the corrupt) --> legislation voting --> majority voted to pass the bill --> bill becomes a law........... the rich and the corrupt are in heaven and the rest are in hell

    (2) --> naay legislative proposal (in favor for public interest and/or against corruption) --> legislation voting --> majority voted to NOT pass the bill --> bill did NOT become a law.........the rich and the corrupt are in heaven and the rest are in hell

    ni work jud ang democratic system sa atoa......majority wins!!! hahahaha


    Quote Originally Posted by bordogoy View Post
    I think mas maayo man guro nga unahon ning pinakadako kaysas katong mga small time lang boss. IMO, there will be less casualties/damage this way kay i'm sure mas daghang small timers kaysas "roots" jd and mas dali masulbad kay walay namay mosupply sa mga galamay. And the fact that gipang EJK ang small timers kay will lessen the "root's" chance of getting caught kay malessen man ang evidence/witness. And that makes the "roots" more invulnerable. Whereas kung gitarong sa atong kapulisan ang ilang trabaho (like what PDut said), basin makatabang pa tong mga small timers in solving big cases and we can give them witness protection pd so they feel safe pd. Like what we always say, "gipangpatay nis ilang boss ang uban". So we can catch those guys before their boss kills them then we make them feel safe para mokanta sila ug knsay ilang amo. I know it's hard to do but it's doable right? Makaingon na jd ko nga dli lang ni "fantasy".
    idol pud nko ni si boss @bordogoy
    nindot pud cyag perspective sa mga panghitabo krn

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    @İharlie Mİ Thanks boss. I know my posts sounds naive sometimes but i've been there jd. I don't blame PDut with what's happening. But i think the killings in our country is a bigger problem than drugs now. And we should do something about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Mermaid88 View Post
    i understand equal justice. but im sure u agree that penetrating big time drug pushers/users isn't easy. even if u give them a fair trial like everybody else's, there is a 80% chance they can still get away with it. police should have airtight evidences before making a go with them.

    I am not saying that i condone the killing spree of any human being out there. its inhumane, yes. but what im not getting is at what point do we say that everyone had a "fair" trial when we know that the justice system can be bought? when can we say that it was "equal justice" for everybody"? so kung naa man gani small time pushers nga gipangpatay, lets kill the big time pushers as well para "fair"? when statistics say that the amount of small time pushers being killed equals the amount to the big timers?

    "I am not saying that i condone the killing spree of any human being out there. its inhumane, yes. but what im not getting is at what point do we say that everyone had a "fair" trial when we know that the justice system can be bought?"
    -Why are we selling it? It shouldn't be for sale. This is why we elected PDut right? Para wa nay corruption. I don't blame PDut for this. I blame the system ug knsa man gani nagpadagan aning mga way lami nga jurisdiction. Like i said, sugdan nato sa taas. You see, dli jd ni masulbad kung ang mga gamot kay dli mausab. We can keep killing all those users/pushers pero it won't solve shit kay ang gamot pirmanenteng libre. And trust me, we won't run out of users/pushers. We just won't. Mawagtang/malessen lang guro na sila ug wa nay source which is ang mga dagkong ta.e.

    I'm not implying to kill them all but the should be all arrested or eliminated (if mosukol).
    Last edited by bordogoy; 08-25-2017 at 02:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bordogoy View Post
    @İharlie Mİ Thanks boss. I know my posts sounds naive sometimes but i've been there jd. I don't blame PDut with what's happening. But i think the killings in our country is a bigger problem than drugs now. And we should do something about it.
    boss about sa killings, if ok ra nmo? e ask unta tika

    asa imo preferable mahitabo?
    a) ma buhi ang criminal then prisohon?
    b) ma patay ang criminal?

    ang tubag nmo ana k mag hatag ug mga daghang revelations sa imong way of thinking
    there is no right or wrong answer in this context

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    Quote Originally Posted by İharlie Mİ View Post
    boss about sa killings, if ok ra nmo? e ask unta tika

    asa imo preferable mahitabo?
    a) ma buhi ang criminal then prisohon?
    b) ma patay ang criminal?

    ang tubag nmo ana k mag hatag ug mga daghang revelations sa imong way of thinking
    there is no right or wrong answer in this context
    That's a good question boss but it's a bit vague. Agree ko anang not risking sa kinabuhi sa atong pulis so if mosukol ang suspect and will end up getting him killed, so be it. But if possible, we should arrest them, give them a trial and if they are found guilty, then prisohon and if death penalty will satisfy the majority, so be it.

    I posted a link here 2 days or so ago about PDut nga nagbagulbol sa atong mga pulis tungod kay way klaro. So that means nga i was stating a point nga agree si PDut. Dli ni hambog ha.

    One thing man gd sa atong discussion diri or people in majority is way maminaw if you're on the opposite side. Pero karon nga si PDut nay nisulti way ayo ang pulis, agree dayon ang majority. Kay si PDut na lagi ang nisulti. If you can find the link boss, you'll see nga he's not happy sa mga binuhatan sa pulis.
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