Questions on Lucifer, Satan and Satanism

[rcruman]

Ro 15:4 For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.

Have you noticed the word "our" it means apostle paul is addressing to the church of God which is in Rome.
Have you noticed that Apostle Paul used "Our/We" and "they"?
Because Paul is an APostle and Minister of CHurch of God.
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
2 COrinthians 1:1
and
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Corinthians 1:1-2.

and APostle Paul is an Apostle of the members of the Church/Christians.
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 9:1-2.

The OT Scriptures already existed long before the Lord Jesus said: ".............I WILL build My Church..."
Leviticus, Jeremiah, Isaish etc. for example was primarily written to the nation Israel.
Example:

You mean to say that there's no Church before CHrist?
Have you understand the statement of Christ on Matthew 16:18?
First answer it and follow is this, to you Ironside and from the bible what is Church anyway? (in christian term or biblical term).

Peace!

[Ironside]

Have you noticed the word "our" it means apostle paul is addressing to the church of God which is in Rome.

To be more accurate, when Paul said "OUR" he included himself not just the church in Rome. Paul is a member of the Church as well as the saints in Rome.

Have you noticed that Apostle Paul used "Our/We" and "they"?

yes

Because Paul is an APostle and Minister of CHurch of God.
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
2 COrinthians 1:1
and
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Corinthians 1:1-2.

and APostle Paul is an Apostle of the members of the Church/Christians.
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 9:1-2.

beautiful verses

You mean to say that there's no Church before CHrist?
Have you understand the statement of Christ on Matthew 16:18?
First answer it and follow is this, to you Ironside and from the bible what is Church anyway? (in christian term or biblical term).

Peace!

The word 'church' in the Bible could mean a) an assembly or congregation of people



Ac 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:


"Church" here does not refer to the Church in the New Testament sense as the body of Christ. Stephen here was recounting the experience of the congregation of Israel during Moses' time. You can never find in the Old Testament a group of people called the body of Christ like in the New Testament sense. Here the people, the children of Israel were baptized into Moses [1 Cor.10:1-2]




or it ['church'] could mean b) the msytical body of Christ formed and founded by Christ Himself. This is what He was referring to when He said: "I will build My Church"


The Church in the New Testament time is a group of people [Jew and Gentile on equal footing] baptized into one body--the body of Christ. Here all are baptized into Christ [Gal. 3:27]

[necrotic freak]

sakto ka bro. mao bitawng ni disagree ko sa imong gisulti:


the bible is not the basis of faith.. but the Church as the “pillar and foundation of the truth” (2 Tim 3.15)


dili nalang nato i complicate nga ang Church moy pillar and foundation of the truth. Ang Ginoo may kahay tag-iya diba. Niya ang owner has spoken sa Bible. So the Bible is the basis of faith sa Church. The Bible which is the Word of the owner of the Church.

ang ako man gud pasabot ani bro nga, the "bible alone" is not the basis of truth.. it should not be taken literally..

[necrotic freak]

And to tell you this, the bible is written because of the Church or for the Church.

Peace!

Thus the Bible came from the church! The Church is not coming from the Bible!

[ssworks]

kita mga christians bah mga libog jd sah? y awayan mana na2 ang biblia tungod lang ni SATAN?.. wahehehe kabantay mo?...

[Mcmurills]

lingawa na ni satan krn noh? hot topic man kaau ang boing...sadya tingali kaau krn sa impyerno... nagpasad ang mga botelya sa redhorse..hapit ta ngadto na??!! ssssaaammmmaaaannn?!

[rcruman]

"Church" here does not refer to the Church in the New Testament sense as the body of Christ. Stephen here was recounting the experience of the congregation of Israel during Moses' time. You can never find in the Old Testament a group of people called the body of Christ like in the New Testament sense. Here the people, the children of Israel were baptized into Moses [1 Cor.10:1-2]

Really? so what kind of Church is Church in the wilderness?
Is that a different Church aside from the Church of God?
Are you sure that the Church in the wilderness is not related to the Church of God in New Testament? Can you supply a verse that the CHurch in the wilderness is different from the Church of God which the apostle ministered?

Bro, what verse in new testament that saying "the church is the body of Christ"?

or it ['church'] could mean b) the msytical body of Christ formed and founded by Christ Himself. This is what He was referring to when He said: "I will build My Church"

Really? There was a Church already the tabernacle of David that was fallen and that is what Christ said in Matthew 16:18 "I will build".
as prophecies by Amos and written in Acts 15:16-17.

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Amos 9:11
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Amos 9:12

Peace!

[rcruman]

Thus the Bible came from the church! The Church is not coming from the Bible!

The bible is written for the CHurch who will serve God.

16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Malachi 3:16.

and because of the Church the bible is given or written.

18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.
Psalms 102:18.

Peace!

[vladmire]

kita mga christians bah mga libog jd sah? y awayan mana na2 ang biblia tungod lang ni SATAN?.. wahehehe kabantay mo?...

simple raman ang ans ana... kay ang mga tawo, gihimong negosyo ang religion..

[rcruman]

simple raman ang ans ana... kay ang mga tawo, gihimong negosyo ang religion..

Tanan ba bro nga gihimong negosyo ang religion?

Peace1