FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[mannyamador]

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bro i can't help but notice you have repeated this "indifferentism" thing a number of times already...i got the point but i am also wondering why you are stressing this when in fact Jesus did not tell us that religion is necessary. So if He did not command us to belong to a certain religion...why should it matter? ( Now don't tell me your answer is about Him building the Church with Peter as the Rock etc etc...because if that is your answer i rest my case that would mean only Catholics will be saved and i definitely disagree with that premise).

Jesus DID found a Church. That is a historical fact, not a religious one. If it was UNNECESSARY, then why did Christ make a Church?

By the way, it does NOT follow that only members of that Church will be saved. It could also be that He founded a Church precisely to spread His message. How else would He get His message perpetuated across the centuries? There was no printing or internet in those days. He had no other way to spread the Good News. And as history has shown, the Church is still the most effective way to spread Christ's teachings.

[dacs]

It is really but thats what you are trying to say right ? As ive said ... HYPOCRISY . Its ok for a Catholic to become criminal and not ok for a Catholic to become a freemason.

Please quote any official teaching of the Catholic Church that says Its ok for a Catholic to become criminal and not ok for a Catholic to become a freemason.

Thats whhy it boast's BILLIONS of membership with affiliations of thousands of beliefs and all the possible religions you can think of. It is nothing but an organization . FREEMASON teachings ? Who told ? LOLO ? Articles from the net ?

I have read a book by Albert Pike, an eminent freemason during his times, years ago. I have tried to find a contemporary disclaimer of his claims. Nothing of sort. Could you point me to any disclaimer done during his times?

I have also a colleague whose father repudiated his affiliation to freemasonry. I heard his side also.

[mosimos]

20 For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does what is true comes to the light, that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been wrought in God.

[mosimos]

All members are enjoined to keep secrets.

Charge-A ritual in entered apprentice mason. (1st degree)

WM - As you are now introduced into the first principles of Freemasonry, we congratulate you on being accepted into this Ancient and Honorable Fraternity - ancient, as having subsisted from time immemorial; and honorable, as tending, in every particular, so to render all men who will be comformable to its precepts. No institution was ever raised on a better principal or more solid foundation, nor were ever more excellent rules and useful maxims laid down than are inculcated in the several Masonic lectures. Many of the greatest and best men in all ages have been encouragers and promoters of the Art and never deemed it derogatory to their dignity or profession to level themselves with the Fraternity, extend their privileges and patronize their assemblies.

There are three great duties which, as a Mason, you are charged to inculcate: to God, your neighbor, and yourself. To God, in never mentioning His name but with that reverential awe which is due from a creature to his Creator; to implore his aid in all your laudable undertakings, and to esteem Him as the chief good. To your neighbor, in acting upon the Square, and doing unto him as you wish he should do unto you. And to yourself, in avoiding all irregularity and intemperance which may impair your faculties or debase the dignity of your profession. A zealous attachment to these duties will insure public and private esteem.

In the State, you are to be a quiet and peaceful subject, true to your government and just to your country; you are not to countenance disloyalty or rebellion, but patiently submit to legal authority and conform with cheerfulness to the government of the country in which you live.

In your outward demeanor be particularly careful to avoid censure and reproach. Let not interest, favor, or prejudice bias your integrity or influence you to be guilty of a dishonorable action. Neither are you to suffer your zeal for the institution to lead you into argument with those who, through ignorance, may ridicule it.

Your regular appearance at our meetings is earnestly solicited. At your leisure hours, that you may improve in Masonic knowledge, you are to converse with well informed brethren who will always be as ready to give as you will be ready to receive instruction.

Finally, keep sacred and inviolable the mysteries of the Fraternity, as these are to distinguish you from the rest of the community and mark your consequence among Masons.

If, in the circle of your acquaintance, you find a person desirous of being initiated into Masonry, be particularly careful not to give him encouragement unless you are convinced he will conform to our rules; in which event you may refer him to those who have authority to recommend him to the Lodge, that the honor, glory and reputation of the Institution may be firmly established and the world at large convinced of its good effect.

WM - [Suggested wording:] My Brother, you have now been initiated and Entered Apprentice and are to be congratulated on your preferment. Before you can advance further, it is necessary that you commit certain portions of this degree to memory, and pass a suitable examination therein. Brother A.B. is available as your instructor and very shortly will arrange to post you in the required lessons.

[Archer sensAtion]

@mosimos - morag di jud maayo imong pag ingon nga wa ka motuo sa gisulti ni blackwidow...you have no right to question her integrity.....wa man ta ko labot sa...pero morag di ko maka palabay sa imong holier than thou attitude...i really believe you owe her and archer an apology....you are in no position to demand proof of their faith / belief ......

Im just seeking for the truth of their statements. Is this already a holier than thou attitude? I know something about this group and both of them are issuing contradictory statements.Â* One of them is lying, the group on one side and archer and black widow on the other.

I dont think I owe them an apology.Â* I did not offend them. Its their problem if they are offended when I am not convinced of what they are saying.

They say Jesus Christ is their God and Im only asking why? Why?Â* Because most of the members of that organization do not consider Christ as God. Well, I said most because some of them are Christians and Catholics who do not know what they are into.

I have explained this already.Â* Would you care to read it?Â*

kinsa lagi ingon nimo nga si JESUS among God...basaha r to ug balik ako gi post b4 ani...gahi-a nimo ug ulo oi...

now you are accusing nga we are LYING?...catholic ka bai or dili...murag ikaw man nuon ang murag dili catholic... ni sulti nami sa imo gi ask, unya ngano mo ingon pa man ka nga nanguwat mi?...

dili lagi si JESUS among GOD...

dili lagi si JESUS among GOD...

dili lagi si JESUS among GOD...

di gihapon ka kasabot??...before btaw ka mo post basaha sa daan and sabta kung nka sabot ka sa gi post sa imo gi replayan...

[shoeless_rebel]

OT @ Gwyn: hapit na ma human ang popcorn sa microwave. ga POP2x na... wait sa gamay ha? hehehehe...

*sits back and relax way away from the crossfire between the freemasons and the catholics. with a beer in hand and a popcorn in mind...

[Archer sensAtion]

woki :mrgreen: hehehe

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Please quote any official teaching of the Catholic Church that says Its ok for a Catholic to become criminal and not ok for a Catholic to become a freemason.

It was meant for deeper understanding . LITERALLY you will get lost basing on TEACHINGS . Who said about teachings anyways ?? It may not be the teaching but ACTIONS of a lot of CATHOLICS also that needs attention . Heck even the very people you call " FATHER " are role models of contradicting the TEACHINGS of the CHURCH .

Do you know how many CATHOLICS that are also FREEMASONS and are both active on both sides ? Active as their religion and as their organization respectively ? I dont think it needs aquote .

I have read a book by Albert Pike, an eminent freemason during his times, years ago. I have tried to find a contemporary disclaimer of his claims. Nothing of sort. Could you point me to any disclaimer done during his times?

YEARS AGO .... hundreds of YEARS AGO . The FREEMASONS have better things to do and think for all the accusations that were thrown to them . YEARS past and what damage did ALBERT PIKE do the ORDER ? NADA , ZERO , BETLOG .... just like Dan browns novels ... to facsinate and entertain people .

I have also a colleague whose father repudiated his affiliation to freemasonry. I heard his side also.

He should have written a book like what ALBERT PIKE did .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ MANNY AMADOR .... check your inbox regarding my message .

@ MOSIMOS .... another one bites the dust .

[mannyamador]

It may not be the teaching but ACTIONS of a lot of CATHOLICS also that needs attention .

Then you are barking up the wrong tree. You are make a sweeping generalization of Catholics and the Church. Instead, you should be criticizing thoise individual Catholics. The criticism is therefore misdirected.

Do you know how many CATHOLICS that are also FREEMASONS and are both active on both sides ? Active as their religion and as their organization respectively ? I dont think it needs aquote .

I don' t think it matters. There have always been persons who are living in contradiction with the teachings of the Church. That doesn't invlidate the teachings. It means there is something wrong with what those people do. But those people are not the Church. Again, the criticism is misdirected.

YEARS AGO .... hundreds of YEARS AGO .

But to this day, the freemasons have not recanted. If they are really different, then why can't they simply make an explicit disavowal of Pike's teachings? The answer is obvious: many lodges STILL FOLLOW PIKE'S TEACHINGS.

Why not research more about freemasonry before you try to defend it?