What is the basis of your salvation?

[rcruman]

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What did He [the Lord Jesus Christ] come here for?
Mt 20:28 "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
Did He accomplish what He came here for at the cross? Yes

Did the verse mentioned or the bible mentioned that He accomplish our salvation and we are all saved? When Christ said that "It is Finished" He is referring to the prophecy that is written.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:5-7

No, it is not mentioned in John. The full explanation and exposition about His death on the cross is given to us in the epistles. In the epistles it is explained that it is not through works that a sinner is saved. It is by grace through faith.

Saved from what? from eternal damnation? was Ephesians 2:8-9 mentioned about eternal damnation? read it from verse 5 it says that we are saved from sins.
Because before Jews or Greek consider their works as good works and it can't saved them so by Grace they are saved and on verse 10 it says:

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

So there are good works that is need to be accomplished.

Peter was addressing folks who are already born again people when he wrote 1 Peter 2:21:

So you mean to say if you're born again you've done already the gospel (entire)?
to be born-again is the first step.

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:5

so after being born again we will do what is needed inside the kingdom of God. and if we are inside the kingdom of God or after we have found the kingdom of God it will be:

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matthew 6:33

His righteousness is next.
and righteousness is to follow His words in order not to sin:

34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1 Corinthians 15:34.

Then my Question to you IRONSIDE:
What is SIN?

Peace!

[rcruman]

faith then works

What verse?
Do you mean after faith is works?
Dili puede dunganon?

Peace!

[rcruman]

pasabton tika ha sa ephesians...
sa verse 8-9 klaro kaau diha nga GRACE ug dili good works ang makaluwas nato. Karun sa verse 10 ingun diha we are HIS WORKMANSHIP, kinsang workmanship? sa GINOO so boot pasabot ana kita gibuhat ta sa Ginoo sama sa osa ka clay pot nga diin workmanship sa osa ka potter. In simple terms we are HIS CREATION created in the likeness of Jesus Christ unto GOOD WORKS. Now diri ka naay problema kay imong pagsabot ani kay...mobuhat ta ug good works para ma saved.

Remember sa verse 8-9 ingun didto nga dili pinaagi sa good works kita maluwas so dili ka puede mo conclude nga mobuhat ta ug good works harun maluwas kay mo contradict man na sa verse8-9. So the only explanation left is mao ni...WE are CREATED in the likeness of jesus Christ to do good works so we would walk in them.

So kanang good works diha dili na harun ka maluwas kay ingun naman ang vese8-9 nga dili na mao ang makaluwas nimo but you must do good works kay you are created in the likeness of jesus christ naman ka.

kay tungod natamanan naman ka sa SEED of HOLINESS kanag seed mo bunga na into good works.

KEY verse bro, read it until 10 aron maklaro.
Ngano kaha no dili nimo malahos sa 10?

Tara ay:

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

not of works and not of yourselves kay ang GInoo og tawo magdungan og trabaho.
Sa ato kaugalingon dili ta kahimo og kinahanglan ubanan ta ni Cristo.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
John 15:5

@rcruman

since hilig man kaau ka ug illustration na koy illustration harun masabtan pa nimo...

kay mao man ang ingon ni Cristo.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 3:12

@rcruman
did you strive to become a prince or automatic ang imong pagka prince kay nagminyo naman ka sa princess? automatic diba.

ako pangutana sa imo illustration or example, wala ba kay gibuhat aron maminyo mo sa prinsesa?
unsa naglingkod raka og niduol siya og nagminyo mo?
diba manguyab pa ka nya daghan pa buhaton aron makasal mo?
So mao pud na ang kaluwasan, muduol sa ka kang Kristo og buhaton nimo ang iya gisugo aron makasal.

animated ra kaayo imo example mura man og "frog the prince" nga gihagkan ra nya minyo dayon.

Same thing w/ REAL CHRISTIANITY and salvation. Na christian not because of the etiquittes but because of the connection(grace) given by God through Jesus and kanang etiq (good works) mo follow na lang na.

mo follow? buot nimo pasabot magpaabot ra ka.

pero ingon ni Pablo:

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2:12

kay ato iluwas ato ra kaugalingon pinaagi sa ato buhat nga mao ang righteousness from God.

20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.
Ezekiel 14:20

Peace!

[IdontCare]

KEY verse bro, read it until 10 aron maklaro.
Ngano kaha no dili nimo malahos sa 10?

Tara ay:

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Key word bro... ABLIHA IMONG MATA UG IMONG UTOK para makit-an nimo nga nag explain ug gi quote nako ang verse10. Tua ra ay naa sa taas. gigitk napod ko. basa ra gud ug tarung.

ako pangutana sa imo illustration or example, wala ba kay gibuhat aron maminyo mo sa prinsesa?
unsa naglingkod raka og niduol siya og nagminyo mo?
diba manguyab pa ka nya daghan pa buhaton aron makasal mo?
So mao pud na ang kaluwasan, muduol sa ka kang Kristo og buhaton nimo ang iya gisugo aron makasal.

animated ra kaayo imo example mura man og "frog the prince" nga gihagkan ra nya minyo dayon.

eng eng eng...murag wa man ta naghisgut kabahin kung unsa imong buhaton para maka minyo ka ug prinsesa. Ang topic noh kay kung nagminyo na ka ug prinsesa, minyo naka. kung minyo naka naa pa ba kay buhaton para mahimo ka ug prince? mao na ang pangutana. Dili kay "kung magminyo ka ug prinsesa unsa imong buhaton" hilig jud kaau ka ug stretch sa logic dah. Minyo naka ba minyo naka minyo naka kung mniyo naka sa prinsesa naa pa ba kay buhaton harun mahimong prince? mao nay topic ha palihug STICK sa topic ayaw ug likoy.

nindot noon ng animated, ikaw man gani paranormal man gani osahay imong illustration nya naa pay sagul DRAMA murag teleserye. hehehehe pero di na lang ta mag lalis ana kay wa man na sa topic.

mo follow? buot nimo pasabot magpaabot ra ka.

pero ingon ni Pablo:

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2:12

kay ato iluwas ato ra kaugalingon pinaagi sa ato buhat nga mao ang righteousness from God.

20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.
Ezekiel 14:20

Peace!

mo follow ra? bout nako pasabot magpaabot ra? pa aboton diay ng good works buhaton na dong. gi unsa gud tawn na nimo pagsabot. Basa lagi ug tarung.

Ezekiel 14:20<---kining versikuloha mangutana ko nimo kung naa naba c Cristo ani? kay atong topic is salvation in christ man dili salvation by 10 commandments(kung salvation by 10 commandments di na kinahanglan mo ari pa c Cristo). kita ka ,nga lahi naman pod na nga topic? Sunod klaroha imong verse ha tan awa kung naa ba sa topic. Nya palihug e consider pod ang context sa osa ka bersikulo kay ang text w/o a context is like a spineless human.


Phil 2:12<----murag kulang na nga verse bro kung gusto nimo e prove ang kamatuoran sa kaluwasan. Palihug padayun sa verse 13. Nya explain nako pagbalik kung unsay pasabot ana pero w/ verse 13 na ha sa philippians 2:12-13 or basin dili pod ka gusto mo padayun sa 13.

[rcruman]

mo follow ra? bout nako pasabot magpaabot ra? pa aboton diay ng good works buhaton na dong. gi unsa gud tawn na nimo pagsabot. Basa lagi ug tarung.

bro murag nalibog naka, ako gani ang nangutana ana.
tara ay:

mo follow? buot nimo pasabot magpaabot ra ka.

dili ba diay ni pangutana?

Ezekiel 14:20<---kining versikuloha mangutana ko nimo kung naa naba c Cristo ani? kay atong topic is salvation in christ man dili salvation by 10 commandments(kung salvation by 10 commandments di na kinahanglan mo ari pa c Cristo). kita ka ,nga lahi naman pod na nga topic? Sunod klaroha imong verse ha tan awa kung naa ba sa topic. Nya palihug e consider pod ang context sa osa ka bersikulo kay ang text w/o a context is like a spineless human.

bro murag nakaminos ka kang Cristo or gamay imo nahibaluan ni Cristo.
Sa una palang kay naa na si Cristo og mao ang niguide sa mga prophets:

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

1 Peter 1:10-12

basaha ni og imo makita nga si Cristo nagkuyog na or naa na sa kalibutan sa una pang panahon. Kuyog man gani siya sa mga Israelites in their journey to wilderness.

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:2-4

og si Cristo kay pagbuhat sa Tawo naa na siya.

Phil 2:12<----murag kulang na nga verse bro kung gusto nimo e prove ang kamatuoran sa kaluwasan. Palihug padayun sa verse 13. Nya explain nako pagbalik kung unsay pasabot ana pero w/ verse 13 na ha sa philippians 2:12-13 or basin dili pod ka gusto mo padayun sa 13.

okay.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

have you noticed "to do of his good pleasure"?

Peace!

[IdontCare]

@rcruman

wa ko naglibog, ikaw ang naglibog kay wa ka kasabot sa akong pasabot atong ni ingun ko nga ang good works mo follow ra na. kung nakasabot ka dili na ka angay untang mangutana kung ang pasabot ba ato maghuwat na lang. kung mo simhot ka ug pepper mo fllow ra ang imong hatsing, kung mo tan aw ka ug nindot nga motor mo follow ra ang imong mata kung asa ang motor. kasabot naka anang mo follow? i do really hope nga nakasabot naka. nya osba pag basa to akong statment nga mo follow ra ang good works kung luwas naka. okay?

bro murag nakaminos ka kang Cristo or gamay imo nahibaluan ni Cristo.
Sa una palang kay naa na si Cristo og mao ang niguide sa mga prophets:

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

1 Peter 1:10-12

basaha ni og imo makita nga si Cristo nagkuyog na or naa na sa kalibutan sa una pang panahon. Kuyog man gani siya sa mga Israelites in their journey to wilderness.

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:2-4

og si Cristo kay pagbuhat sa Tawo naa na siya.

naa na sab ka ha likoy na sab...

Wa ko nangayo nimo ug verse to prove the pre-existence of The Son of God , ang akong pangutana ,remember,KALUWASAN atong gihisgutan diri, so kung imong ibutang sa context ang akong pangutana, ang interpretation ana is...Naa na ba ang kaluwasan pinaagi ni Cristo atong panahon ni Ezekiel? nagpaKAMATAYA na ba c jesus chrsit atong panahuna? ibutang lagi sa imong utok ang topic ba para dili ta mag balik balik ug explain.

okay.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

have you noticed "to do of his good pleasure"?

Peace!

Yes akong na notice ng "to do of his good pleasure" nganu man? imo napod pasabot ani good works?


naa ra ha ang proper interpretation ana...

notice the word WORK OUT? dili na WORK FOR. In other words wala nagsulti c paul diha nga Work FOR your salvation kun dili WORK OUT, now see the difference? To work for your salvation is different from to work out kay ang to WORK FOR is kinahanglan hagu-an nimo harun imong maangkon.

Another point...The word SALVATION nga naa sa PHIL2:12 in greek form is SOTERIA meaning practical sanctification ang mga synonyms ani are Holiness/righteuosness/good works. So kanang SALVATION diha is not Justification w/c means being free from condemnation kung dili sanctification meaning to stay away from sinning.

So there is your proper interpretation of Phil2:12

Sa binisaya pa rcruman...

ingun diha sa phil2:12 nga work out your salvation means e WORK OUT ang imong pagka holy or imong mga right deeds SOTERIA , kay nganu? naa ang answer sa verse 13 kay it is God who will enable us to do good works.

[rcruman]

naa na sab ka ha likoy na sab...
Wa ko nangayo nimo ug verse to prove the pre-existence of The Son of God , ang akong pangutana ,remember,KALUWASAN atong gihisgutan diri, so kung imong ibutang sa context ang akong pangutana, ang interpretation ana is...Naa na ba ang kaluwasan pinaagi ni Cristo atong panahon ni Ezekiel? nagpaKAMATAYA na ba c jesus chrsit atong panahuna? ibutang lagi sa imong utok ang topic ba para dili ta mag balik balik ug explain.

bro ang kaluwasan sa tawo kay ang ebangelio ato buhaton ang naa sa ebangelio.
Kahibalo ba ka nga sa panahon ni Abraham gi-preach na ang ebangelio?
Og buot nimo pasabot sa Kamatayon ra Gyud ni Cristo maluwas ang tanan?
Sila Noeh wala man kaila ni Cristo ay ko ingna walay kaluwasan ang mga tawo nga nabuhi before sa kamatayon ni Cristo?



Peace!

[Mr.Ho_chia]

What verse?
Do you mean after faith is works?
Dili puede dunganon?

Peace!

pwede dunganun, kay maski ang wala maluwas meaning ang wala ni tuo ni Christ and the God of the Bible they too do good and even better 'good- works" than the saved.

ang pangutana maluwas ba ang tao kung dili matuo sa Gino-o? kang Kristo? basta magbuhat lang exemplary good works? will that do?

[IdontCare]

bro ang kaluwasan sa tawo kay ang ebangelio ato buhaton ang naa sa ebangelio.
Kahibalo ba ka nga sa panahon ni Abraham gi-preach na ang ebangelio?
Og buot nimo pasabot sa Kamatayon ra Gyud ni Cristo maluwas ang tanan?
Sila Noeh wala man kaila ni Cristo ay ko ingna walay kaluwasan ang mga tawo nga nabuhi before sa kamatayon ni Cristo?




Peace!

Dong, wa na padung na jud ni sa laing topic...tsk tsk! sakto jud sila.

mao bitaw nangutana ko nimo kung katong imong ezekiel naa na ba c Cristo ato kay para masuta nato kung unsa klase nga righteousness ang pasabot ato nila.

ingun man gud ka nga Good works and Jesus ang salvation so mangutana ko kung naa na ba ang kamatayun ni Jesus atong panahona. ayaw tuyoka ang storya.

murag gi pagawas naman hinoon nimo nga di ko motoo sa ebanghelio.

[rcruman]

murag gi pagawas naman hinoon nimo nga di ko motoo sa ebanghelio.

ikay nagsulti dili ako.

Peace!