5 US Marines raped Pinay. US flexes might over RP...

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Filipinos turned OPPORTUNIST are far from being stereotyped , it is proven not only to my observation but to anyone else . They became one because not they chose to but they dont have a choice . Ayaw gamita ang idea na to make a QUICK BUCK because we are talking about OPPORTUNITY in general .

How presumptous of you to feel qualified to speak for "anyone else". I for one certainly don't agree with you that Filipinos are "opportunist". I'm sure many others don't think so too. Don't presume that your personal opinion that "Filipinos are opportunists" is "proven". Again, it may be true to you because you're surrounded by opportunists... as they say "birds of the same feather...".

Daghan ra ka gi sulti , in short kadtong barbero ba lage nimo is usa ra to kabuok versus the maybe million something OPPORTUNIST FIlipinos . Ive seen it all ... it doesnt have to be me linked personally .... be OPEN MINDED . Like I said , opportunista man gani mga politiko nato na mga bilyonaryo na sila , unsa pa kaha mga ultimo na kababayan nato .

See above. And just because majority of politicians are corrupt, doesn't mean majority of Filipinos are. Politics here with its power-play and backroom deals has a tendency to corrupt even upright individuals once they get into politics. But I still believe that majority of Filipinos are upright, not opportunistic.

OT: You remind me of Miriam Santiago during the ERAP plunder case when she was still defending ERAP. Upon cross-examing that young woman lawyer, she questioned the fact that the lawyer went from a higher-paying job to a lower-paying job. When it was Roco's turn, he said that law is a noble profession, it's not about making more money. Upon which Miriam went into her famous "Brenda" episode and threw out 2 women in the audience because "they were looking at me funny". Like Miriam, you seem unable to grasp the idea that Filipinos are noble and will not just jump at any opportunity for the money.

INsulting it maybe be , apil pod ko ana but SAD BUT TRUE . Ayaw lage ko tuyuka , I was all being open minded , wala man gani ko ni laban sa kano because I am for investigation and let the truth come out . Kamo ra man cge ug pursige na RAPIST ang kano and BIKTIMA ang PInay to think chances are and most likely wala pa mo naka tugpa gani or kita unsya itsura sa Gapo or ANgeles City and you guys know too much . Ako ni base lang ko sa experience and reports na gikan ra pod ninyo .

Open-minded? Is your mind open to the fact that Filipinos are not as opportunistic as you believe them to be? Why do you assume that it's TRUE that Filipinos are opportunistic and willing to subjected to the humiliation of being a rape victim just to make money? Like someone else here said, maybe ikaw opportunist, maybe ikaw willing to be raped to make money, but don't generalize that majority of Filipinos are like you. Speak for yourself!

By saying CHANCES ARE makes me assume it ? That is my stand and not specualting who she is . Heck I really think she is one , bahala magsakit mo sa gi sulti nako .

Well, there it is. You really believe, without any investigation whatsoever, that the woman is a hooker and an opportunist. And you have that idea because she happened to cry rape against American soldiers, and most Filipinos are opportunists out to grab every chance to make money. And you keep saying "Investigate First"? You've already made up your mind about it!

Wrong THINKING ! Bisan ug di ka military , a RAPE is still likely to happen . You dont have to be a soldier , ang ISSUE is kay FOREIGNER sila , US Armed Forces pa gyud , mao I strongly suggest before mo mo jump sa conclusions , INVESTIGATE .

WRONG THINKING? I was just following your lead of using your own so-called "factors" to speculate that the Filipina was raped. You said "Filipinos are opportunists" so she probably was a hooker out to make money from the Americans. So I said well "Soldiers are ***-craved" because of the factors I mentioned in my earlier post. I was making a point that what you were doing by making up your own "factors" and generalizations is wrong. You've just proven my point, it is WRONG THINKING. Why notice that it's "wrong thinking" in my posts, but not in your own posts?

Regarding sa akong pag judged sa VICTIM as a PROSTITUTE , we'll see . You maybe will have the last laugh kung sayop ko ..... pero wala ta kahibaw pod .

There are already numerous news reports as to her NOT being a prostitute. What will it take to convince you?

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How presumptous of you to feel qualified to speak for "anyone else". I for one certainly don't agree with you that Filipinos are "opportunist". I'm sure many others don't think so too. Don't presume that your personal opinion that "Filipinos are opportunists" is "proven". Again, it may be true to you because you're surrounded by opportunists... as they say "birds of the same feather...".

LOL .. I did grab the OPPORTUNITY a very long time ago . I do hoipe you understand the word OPPORTUNITY kay murag iong tan-ana by ur own definition is very NEGATIVE . Daghan ra kaau ka gi sulti na gikan ra sa imong opinion and not facts . Why dont you continer the quote regarding the birds of the same feather .. ??

See above. And just because majority of politicians are corrupt, doesn't mean majority of Filipinos are. Politics here with its power-play and backroom deals has a tendency to corrupt even upright individuals once they get into politics. But I still believe that majority of Filipinos are upright, not opportunistic.

Of course MAJORITY of everything ... kay kung di sila mo GRAB ... sa barko pa MO UNLOD sila . UPRIGHT ?? LOLZ ... again open ur eyes ilabi na kung naay krisis . Kung ikaw well off ka ... ayaw i tapad ang level nimo sa majority na naglisod .

OT: You remind me of Miriam Santiago during the ERAP plunder case when she was still defending ERAP. Upon cross-examing that young woman lawyer, she questioned the fact that the lawyer went from a higher-paying job to a lower-paying job. When it was Roco's turn, he said that law is a noble profession, it's not about making more money. Upon which Miriam went into her famous "Brenda" episode and threw out 2 women in the audience because "they were looking at me funny". Like Miriam, you seem unable to grasp the idea that Filipinos are noble and will not just jump at any opportunity for the money.

As I always relay to you , daghan ra kaau ka i sulti . Whats the relevance ? Miriam maybe UPRIGHT to ur understanding but it wont still change the fact that FILIPINOS specially living in the Philippines even abroad would grab opportunities to make their lives better . For better or worst .

Open-minded? Is your mind open to the fact that Filipinos are not as opportunistic as you believe them to be?

OPEN MINDED regarding sa case and issues not sa word na OPPORTUNIST ... ayaw lage ko tuyuka hagbay ra ko nalipong .

Why do you assume that it's TRUE that Filipinos are opportunistic and willing to subjected to the humiliation of being a rape victim just to make money?

I never ASSUMED it . It can clearly be seen from the factors of the issues . Kung LOCALS ba lage ang suspects , mo abot ba ni ug 5 pages ang diskusyon diri more of being a topic here in iSTORYA ??

Like someone else here said, maybe ikaw opportunist, maybe ikaw willing to be raped to make money, but don't generalize that majority of Filipinos are like you. Speak for yourself!

LOLZ .... speask for myself ..... ika nga OPEN UR EYES and inyong pride being PINOY and PATRIOTIC etc ... I myself apil ko ana ... but not just because di PINOY ang accused kulba na kaayo mga " PINOY " .

Well, there it is. You really believe, without any investigation whatsoever, that the woman is a hooker and an opportunist. And you have that idea because she happened to cry rape against American soldiers, and most Filipinos are opportunists out to grab every chance to make money. And you keep saying "Investigate First"? You've already made up your mind about it!

LOLZ ... style tawn nimo oi ... INVESTIGATE the CRIME and not her being a HOOKER . Like someone else said here " A rape is a rape bisan BURIKAT ang victim " . Oh well ....

WRONG THINKING? I was just following your lead of using your own so-called "factors" to speculate that the Filipina was raped. You said "Filipinos are opportunists" so she probably was a hooker out to make money from the Americans. So I said well "Soldiers are ***-craved" because of the factors I mentioned in my earlier post. I was making a point that what you were doing by making up your own "factors" and generalizations is wrong. You've just proven my point, it is WRONG THINKING. Why notice that it's "wrong thinking" in my posts, but not in your own posts?

How could you follow my post when u are giving out UNREALISTIC SCENARIOS , how would that relate to what I said ? Quote me when I said something about being UNREALISTIC or just anything else na FANTASY ra para nimo . Making also my own FACTORS ? Wala unta mo ni post ug link ssa reports kay didto baya to gikan . Basin ang NEWS ang nag imbento hinuon dili ako .

There are already numerous news reports as to her NOT being a prostitute. What will it take to convince you?

That she was RAPED by the 6 soldiers . Like I said HOOKER or NOT , kung guilty gyud ang 6 then let them face the CONSEQUENCE kung mahimo death . But being her a HOOKER or NOT is a factor also na worst comes to worst naay hidden agenda from the POLITICIANS who are against the presence of US na ni complicate na lang . Read the original news and the reports that came after that ... you will see how much of them are like MUSHROOMS na nang gawas . SHould it be only between the VICTIM , ACCUSED ,WITNESS , LAW ENFORCEMENT and the JUDGE ? Aw US man diay noh involved .... so daghan pod mo involve OPPORTUNIST gud ta !!

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@ Dong Jored .... what do you EXPECT from BULATLAT ? Hahaha !! Naa diay namatay sa nerbyos kay mo abot ang mga Amerkano ? Unya wala namatay sa nerbyos sa mga kidnapping and bomings sa mga terorista sa MIndanao ? NIndot na da .... BAN US troops from the Philippines to commiting more crimes .... aw mas maayo pa CLOSE the PHILIPPINES from the TOURIST and let the locals only commit the crime LOLZ !

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Anyone of you guyz can post latest investigation/news bout the rape case?

[indayyy]

hello...
i thought there were six US marines?

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hello...
i thought there were six US marines?

yes there 6 US Marines who were accused .Pero ang topic wala pa na change but na informed na ang active posters sa topic .

[indayyy]

ah ok.. daan ko pa lagi.. taas naman gud kaau ang thread ,,,
hey spring, ingon lagi to ako friend na the girls was drunk man daw...

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I dont know because inconsistent ang information sa mga reports sa mga newspapers . I will just wait for the results and I trust that its gonne ba fair for both sides . Pero kay kana mga kaila nimo maybe or maybe not pod.

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LOL .. I did grab the OPPORTUNITY a very long time ago . I do hoipe you understand the word OPPORTUNITY kay murag iong tan-ana by ur own definition is very NEGATIVE . Daghan ra kaau ka gi sulti na gikan ra sa imong opinion and not facts . Why dont you continer the quote regarding the birds of the same feather .. ??

By OPPORTUNITY, I am referring to the specific case of a Filipina whom you say is a hooker taking the opportunity of the situation to make money from some American soldiers. Diba you were the one who wanted specifics, not generalizations? What does YOUR grabbing whatever opportunity have to do with the specific "opportunity" in this case?

The only reason I can think of why you think Filipinos will do such a dishonest act of falsely claiming rape to make money, is because you yourself would do it, or are surrounded by people who would do such a thing.

Of course MAJORITY of everything ... kay kung di sila mo GRAB ... sa barko pa MO UNLOD sila . UPRIGHT ?? LOLZ ... again open ur eyes ilabi na kung naay krisis . Kung ikaw well off ka ... ayaw i tapad ang level nimo sa majority na naglisod .

Again you think that the majority of Filipinos, because they are not well off, will grab any opportunity to make money, even to the point of falsely accusing someone of rape? Grabbing opportunities to work is very different from grabbing an opportunity to send someone to the gallows for a crime they didn't commit. Are they the same thing to you?

As I always relay to you , daghan ra kaau ka i sulti . Whats the relevance ? Miriam maybe UPRIGHT to ur understanding but it wont still change the fact that FILIPINOS specially living in the Philippines even abroad would grab opportunities to make their lives better . For better or worst .

The relevance is like Miriam, you think Filipinos should just be out to make money. And read my post again, I never said Miriam is upright, in fact my post disparaged her for claiming the same thing you're claiming, that Filipinos will "naturally" want to just make more money.

Grabbing opportunity is one thing, but falsely accusing American soldiers of rape (which can result in them being executed) to make money, is not something most Filipinos will do. Maybe you would consider such things? Remember that the SPECIFIC opportunity being discussed here is the one of accusing American soldiers of rape, not making money by working hard in a far-away land. Why are you changing your point? Point is you believe her to be a hooker only out to make money from some American soldiers, because you believe Filipinos will grab such an opportunity. You have a very low view of her, and Filipinos in general.

OPEN MINDED regarding sa case and issues not sa word na OPPORTUNIST ... ayaw lage ko tuyuka hagbay ra ko nalipong .

Yup, hagbay ra gyud ka nalipong... my response to your assertion that Filipinos are opportunists and will do anything to make money... is "Wa ka malipong?"

I never ASSUMED it . It can clearly be seen from the factors of the issues . Kung LOCALS ba lage ang suspects , mo abot ba ni ug 5 pages ang diskusyon diri more of being a topic here in iSTORYA ??

Seen clearly by who? And by whose "factors"? Not everyone here thinks she's a hooker just because she happens to be a Filipina complaining of rape by 6 American soldiers. Again:

a) she's not a hooker
b) even if she was, rape is rape, whether committed on prostitutes or presidents.

LOLZ .... speask for myself ..... ika nga OPEN UR EYES and inyong pride being PINOY and PATRIOTIC etc ... I myself apil ko ana ... but not just because di PINOY ang accused kulba na kaayo mga " PINOY " .

I am not only indignant because a fellow Filipino has been raped by Americans. I am also indignant because a supposedly "patriotic" Filipino like you, thinks she's making it all up about being raped because you think all Filipinos are "opportunists" and "only out to make money".

LOLZ ... style tawn nimo oi ... INVESTIGATE the CRIME and not her being a HOOKER . Like someone else said here " A rape is a rape bisan BURIKAT ang victim " . Oh well ....

You were the one who said you believe that she's a hooker, and that "if she's a hooker, then na-rape siya, so what? She'll get paid anyway", diba? I always said investigate the crime first, BEFORE making an assumption that she's a hooker and therefore likely to just be out to make money from the Americans. Who here said he believed she's a hooker? Diba ikaw?

How could you follow my post when u are giving out UNREALISTIC SCENARIOS , how would that relate to what I said ? Quote me when I said something about being UNREALISTIC or just anything else na FANTASY ra para nimo . Making also my own FACTORS ? Wala unta mo ni post ug link ssa reports kay didto baya to gikan . Basin ang NEWS ang nag imbento hinuon dili ako .

Well, for me, your saying that Filipinos are opportunistic, in light of this case, is UNREALISTIC. When you say opportunistic in light of this case, it means you believe Filipinos will willingly subject themselves to the humiliation of being raped just to make money. That's unrealistic, and is a product of your own imagination coupled with your low opinion of Filipinas.

That she was RAPED by the 6 soldiers

The question is what will it take to convince you that she's NOT a prostitute, because you said you believe she is one?

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The gang raped of the Pilipina by US Marines is over & done with BUT the rape of her justice has just begun. Whitewash 101!Here they come...

US wants 6 marines sent to Japan
By Joyce Pangco Pañares (Manila Standard)

THE United States has asked local authorities to allow the transfer of six US marines accused of raping a 22-year-old Filipina in Subic to a military base in Okinawa, Japan for trial.

In a TV interview, Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority Deputy Administrator Jose Calimlim said the US embassy had asked that the trial be moved from Subic to Okinawa over the weekend.

US embassy spokesman Matthew Lussenhop would neither confirm nor deny the report.

The accused all come from the 31st US Marine Expeditionary Unit, III Marine Expeditionary Force based in Okinawa, Japan and were in Subic last month for two weeks of joint military exercises with the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

The Visiting Forces Agreement, which covers such cases, has no specific provision that would allow the transfer of American servicemen being tried in the Philippines to a neighboring US base.

Paragraph 10 of Article V, however, says the US personnel may be confined “in facilities agreed on by appropriate Philippine and US authorities.”

Yesterday, the mother of the rape victim went on national TV to deny that her daughter was a woman of loose morals.

In her sworn statement, the victim had accused the six servicemen of forcing her into a rented van where she was raped on Nov. 1.

A used condom was later found in the van.

Senator Richard Gordon, chairman of the Philippine Red Cross, said the organization would provide the victim’s family with a battery of high-powered lawyers to act as private prosecutors.

He said the victim’s mother had written him seeking legal assistance.

Chief State Prosecutor Jovencito Zuño, for his part, said the Americans had failed to file a formal request to take custody of the suspects, but said this was now academic since they are being held in the US embassy in Manila.

“They immediately took custody of the sailors. In fact, when the inquest was done, no US marine was in sight because the US embassy immediately took custody of them,” he said.

Lussenhop defended the embassy’s move to take custody, however, saying the VFA is not specific about having to make a formal request.

He also denied speculation that US charge d’affaires Paul Jones left for Zamboanga yesterday to strike a deal with the family of the victim.

“That is absolutely false,” Lussenhop said. “Mr. Jones is there because he is with USAID visiting assistant administrator James Kunder for aid projects in Mindanao.”

Hearings in the preliminary investigation are set for Nov. 23 and 29 before the Olongapo City prosecutor’s office.

Summoned for the preliminary investigation are US servicemen Keith Silkwood, Albert Lara, Corey Barius, Chad Carpenter, Daniel Smith and Dominic Duplantis.

Zuño said that once an accused is indicted, the court assumes jurisdiction over the person of the accused. In the case of the US soldiers, returning them to the custody of the US embassy would not be consistent with the court’s jurisdiction over the accused.

“Besides, under the present laws, rape is a nonbailable offense,” Zuño said.

Zuño expressed confidence that if the case is filed in court, the trial can be finished in a year as stipulated in the VFA.

In the House, militant lawmakers urged President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo to stop the joint military exercises and ban American troops from entering the country until the rape case is resolved.

They also urged the President to terminate the VFA, citing previous violations of the agreement by the Americans.

As the rape case tests Philippine-American relations, US President George W. Bush is sending a high-level State Department official for a two-day visit in Manila.

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Eric John will arrive in the country today to hold discussions with his counterparts at the Department of Foreign Affairs.

Jones said the visit aims to “strengthen the partnership between the US and the Philippines” in fighting terrorism. With Roy Pelovello, Christine F. Herrera, Rey E. Requejo