Demonic Possession and Exorcisms.

[pijavier]

there is some weight on this:
science only flourished in the west during the time of the renaissance, when the church was still licking its wounds from the failed crusades and intellectuals began to study humanism from pagan works which were previously prohibited by the church.

pero theory rasad

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Very true! i agree with this statement. and the funny thing is that sa exorcism ni Nicola, the priest uses the name of God yet uses the sacrament? so who has the power God ro the blessed sacraments?

crazy, insane and not true at all.

carzy? insane? ...aw its up to you to believe or not...wa man ko mamugo bai...this is a good FYI for my fellow Catholics...we Catholics believe in the blessed Sacrament...we believe naa diha ang body and blood of Christ...consecrated...

and we receive it during Holy Mass...

does it bother you?

My previous post about witnessing an excorcism by a non-catholic (read up please). prior to this person coming, a priest and nun came,w ala man lagi silay nabuhat and to think the have brought with them the blessed sacraments daw.

gi kwentasan sa madre og scapolaryo and it so happens nga ni sulti ang usa sa mga demons, akong amigo dinha nag puyo sa scapolaryo nimo... hahahahaha

For me this thread is against the non-catholics, that is the intent of the istoryan that started this topic.

to promote without Biblical, Historical, or Scientific basis that the Catholic Faith is the only faith.

maybe the thread starter does not know that excorcism has been abolished by the vatican at one time because the priest involved in this died in the process or have had thinking problems... research usa bro before you post. ask and clarify para dili ka masayop.

My opinion is. Anyone whether Catholic or not or something else, if used by God can cast out demons.... or whatever.

And if naa man power, it is the power of God and not a thing.

bai, nakawitness sad kog ing-ani...and that is one of the reasons why i remained...I was being skeptic about Catholicism during those times...pero the Lord made me realized...

tabang sad ko kupot....pray...

the devil...began laughing at me...trying to distract me...laliman kag gibulgar tanan nakong sala...pirting uwawa...but i pursue...giunsa kaha niya pagkahibaw...

every drop of the Holy Water she shouts...she screams to death....gikwintasan namog rosary and she was yelling me that he would kill me kung dili nako tangtangon...

the image of Mama Mary was shown to her...and she want to crush and break the image...

As we pray the rosary...she keeps on distracting every people around...she was very angry, to me, to the priest...she became calm, murag nakuyapan...afetr the priest made the prayer in driving the devil out of her body.

Mao gyud. suwito man gud ni siya sis. No basis at all. hahahah lol.

Read the thread, its not what you say it is. daghan na dili ganahan mangapil nato ani bro ky hilas kayo ta manulti.

I agree with you sis. Sorry about that. freedom of speech alng ni nila.

Swito? no basis? aw wa bitaw mamugos diri...why react? i mean, why...such reaction...?

It is God who has the power...if you consider it a thing (blessed sacrament)...thats for you...

but we believe it is bless by God...anything that is from blessed and from God can drive out demons...

sa Bible bitaw, naay stories that those who touches the tassle of Jesus's robe...was healed...

kaila ka Fr. Krickenbeck?--dunno the correct spelling...

kato siya...maayo kaayo mu-drive...its a gift from God man gud...dili tanan makadawat ani...mao nang nay uban dili jud maka drive...

though everyone can receive this gift...its is by God's will jud...

[pijavier]

carzy? insane? ...aw its up to you to believe or not...wa man ko mamugo bai...this is a good FYI for my fellow Catholics...we Catholics believe in the blessed Sacrament...we believe naa diha ang body and blood of Christ...consecrated...

and we receive it during Holy Mass...

does it bother you?




bai, nakawitness sad kog ing-ani...and that is one of the reasons why i remained...I was being skeptic about Catholicism during those times...pero the Lord made me realized...

tabang sad ko kupot....pray...

the devil...began laughing at me...trying to distract me...laliman kag gibulgar tanan nakong sala...pirting uwawa...but i pursue...giunsa kaha niya pagkahibaw...

every drop of the Holy Water she shouts...she screams to death....gikwintasan namog rosary and she was yelling me that he would kill me kung dili nako tangtangon...

the image of Mama Mary was shown to her...and she want to crush and break the image...

As we pray the rosary...she keeps on distracting every people around...she was very angry, to me, to the priest...she became calm, murag nakuyapan...afetr the priest made the prayer in driving the devil out of her body.

Swito? no basis? aw wa bitaw mamugos diri...why react? i mean, why...such reaction...?

It is God who has the power...if you consider it a thing (blessed sacrament)...thats for you...

but we believe it is bless by God...anything that is from blessed and from God can drive out demons...

sa Bible bitaw, naay stories that those who touches the tassle of Jesus's robe...was healed...

kaila ka Fr. Krickenbeck?--dunno the correct spelling...

kato siya...maayo kaayo mu-drive...its a gift from God man gud...dili tanan makadawat ani...mao nang nay uban dili jud maka drive...

though everyone can receive this gift...its is by God's will jud...

and bottom line?

Naa d ay pinalabi sa mga Catholics. and ikaw/kamo ra d ay ang maka recieve sa Blessed Sacraments?

Still declaring that Catholicism is the only correct Faith? Catholicism ra d ay maka drive out og demons?

Bro, it's good that you've experienced exorcism but that won't cut it. It doesn't make you an expert.

You've suddenly become defensive of your faith.

Pag ka daghan naba nimo gi mention bro. Mary, Rosaryo, Blessed Sacraments...

Mura ra nag nagsulti ko nga gikan ko pangumpisal bai, dili lang sa ko mo inum karon.

Where is the Basis for that. Inig abot sa langit pangutanon d ay ta, Kinsay naay blessed sacraments diri? kinsay Katoliko diri?

Kinsay nay balon rosaryo? kinsay na picture ni Mary?

Bro ayaw na pag bali bali, mention ka na dili ka mo believe sa Catholic Faith sauna yet apil ka namo ron?



Why react?
Because it is my right as an Istoryan... It is my freedom to share my thoughts and what I think.

I was just using your post as basis to begin from. We need to begin somewhere right?

So where is Fr. Krickenbeck? (yup heard of him)

why isn't he here...

Pero bro, hadlok gyud kayo istoryahon sa demonyo sa? hehehe, ana baya na. Ang kuyog d ay namo, wala pa kasugod gi sultihan na unsa iyang background and kaagi.

mas naka ila pa sila sa Ginoo bro. :mrgreen:

Satan knows the Bible more than we do because he was at one time an angel of God and his Demons, before being falen angels were once on God's side too.

If you read my reaction smartly you will see that it is not a personal attack nor an attack to the Catholic Faith.

I am just saying that anyone can be used by God...

Ang problem kusog man gud ta usahay mangangkon.

example:
Si Don Moen ni concert lang sa Cebu, gi angkon na dayon nga Katoliko... Baptist tawn to cya.

Si Fr. Suarez, nanambal lang og nangayo og mga tao, nya wala nananghid sa Pope or CBCP, wala na daun gi welcome sa uban pari og gibatikos.

Bro, i am not saying, you are wrong, but you are not 100 percent right. to acknowledge one's weakness and mistakes is a realization and a proof of maturity and strength.

Sa post nimo, murag mao raman gud ang sakto. Do you even know that the ___ monks which are not Catholic can heal the sick and cast out demons too.

and so does the Tribes in Africa...

now before you use my post against me, please read thoroughly that i am stressing a point with my examples and not saying you said those. those are my words. my posts.

I agree with you though that power comes from God. and if you do agree, you acknowledge that the power comes from him.

dili pareha sa salida na patungan og Bible, wisikan og Holy Water. if it worked when you were there, then Good!
but if wala to ni work, mag unsa naman lang kaha mo ato?

Before ta mo sulti na mao ra ni ang tambal, mao ra ni ang solusyon, check sa nato kung mao raba gyud.

Ky usahay ang demon possessed nga tao, naa lay kalahi nga mental...

I also agree that it is by God's will. Bisan si Father Krickenbeck pa atong kuyog. if dili gyud will sa Ginoo then wala tay mahimo.

kato siya...maayo kaayo mu-drive...its a gift from God man gud...dili tanan makadawat ani...mao nang nay uban dili jud maka drive...

though everyone can receive this gift...its is by God's will jud...

hehehe bro, ayaw ka lain ha, pero contradict: Dili tanan makadawat ani.... though everyone can recieve this gift.

Bro, i am happy to have met someone who has experienced an exorcism. padayon if naa kay opportunity. ky gamiton kas Ginoo ana. who know's ikaw sad, maka buhat ka og exorcism when needed.

ayo ayo. :mrgreen:

and sorry na offended ka

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and bottom line?

Naa d ay pinalabi sa mga Catholics. and ikaw/kamo ra d ay ang maka recieve sa Blessed Sacraments?

Still declaring that Catholicism is the only correct Faith? Catholicism ra d ay maka drive out og demons?

Bro, it's good that you've experienced exorcism but that won't cut it. It doesn't make you an expert.

You've suddenly become defensive of your faith.

Pag ka daghan naba nimo gi mention bro. Mary, Rosaryo, Blessed Sacraments...

Mura ra nag nagsulti ko nga gikan ko pangumpisal bai, dili lang sa ko mo inum karon.

Where is the Basis for that. Inig abot sa langit pangutanon d ay ta, Kinsay naay blessed sacraments diri? kinsay Katoliko diri?

Kinsay nay balon rosaryo? kinsay na picture ni Mary?

Bro ayaw na pag bali bali, mention ka na dili ka mo believe sa Catholic Faith sauna yet apil ka namo ron?



Why react?
Because it is my right as an Istoryan... It is my freedom to share my thoughts and what I think.

I was just using your post as basis to begin from. We need to begin somewhere right?

So where is Fr. Krickenbeck? (yup heard of him)

why isn't he here...

Pero bro, hadlok gyud kayo istoryahon sa demonyo sa? hehehe, ana baya na. Ang kuyog d ay namo, wala pa kasugod gi sultihan na unsa iyang background and kaagi.

mas naka ila pa sila sa Ginoo bro. :mrgreen:

Satan knows the Bible more than we do because he was at one time an angel of God and his Demons, before being falen angels were once on God's side too.

If you read my reaction smartly you will see that it is not a personal attack nor an attack to the Catholic Faith.

I am just saying that anyone can be used by God...

Ang problem kusog man gud ta usahay mangangkon.

example:
Si Don Moen ni concert lang sa Cebu, gi angkon na dayon nga Katoliko... Baptist tawn to cya.

Si Fr. Suarez, nanambal lang og nangayo og mga tao, nya wala nananghid sa Pope or CBCP, wala na daun gi welcome sa uban pari og gibatikos.

Bro, i am not saying, you are wrong, but you are not 100 percent right. to acknowledge one's weakness and mistakes is a realization and a proof of maturity and strength.

Sa post nimo, murag mao raman gud ang sakto. Do you even know that the ___ monks which are not Catholic can heal the sick and cast out demons too.

and so does the Tribes in Africa...

now before you use my post against me, please read thoroughly that i am stressing a point with my examples and not saying you said those. those are my words. my posts.

I agree with you though that power comes from God. and if you do agree, you acknowledge that the power comes from him.

dili pareha sa salida na patungan og Bible, wisikan og Holy Water. if it worked when you were there, then Good!
but if wala to ni work, mag unsa naman lang kaha mo ato?

Before ta mo sulti na mao ra ni ang tambal, mao ra ni ang solusyon, check sa nato kung mao raba gyud.

Ky usahay ang demon possessed nga tao, naa lay kalahi nga mental...

I also agree that it is by God's will. Bisan si Father Krickenbeck pa atong kuyog. if dili gyud will sa Ginoo then wala tay mahimo.

hehehe bro, ayaw ka lain ha, pero contradict: Dili tanan makadawat ani.... though everyone can recieve this gift.

Bro, i am happy to have met someone who has experienced an exorcism. padayon if naa kay opportunity. ky gamiton kas Ginoo ana. who know's ikaw sad, maka buhat ka og exorcism when needed.

ayo ayo. :mrgreen:

and sorry na offended ka

offended? not really...murag its not the correct term...


taasa bai...pero

mao ni imo post...

crazy, insane and not true at all

gosh...what i mean of maka-drive..is katong really worthy...

kung naa man gani mga pari...nuns..lay people...nga unsuccessful...it needs to be contemplated..and their relationship with God...spiritual relationship with God must be deepen and strengthen...like being consistent with the sacraments...contemplative life...and living a life for God completely...

mao ra na...

dunno sa uban....mao na ako pasabot na ang ubang pari/nuns/lay people unsuccessful...

[pijavier]

aw ok cge. lain nasad ta nag topic about ani bro. next

[d`monyita]

wow.... nag-agree kayo......

mother dee happy. hahahhahahha oops....OT

[pijavier]

wow.... nag-agree kayo......

mother dee happy. hahahhahahha oops....OT

saun taman wala may hinungdan

[munzter666]

there is some weight on this:
science only flourished in the west during the time of the renaissance, when the church was still licking its wounds from the failed crusades and intellectuals began to study humanism from pagan works which were previously prohibited by the church.

pero theory rasad

not theory...HISTORY.hehehe

Science as we know it today can be traced to the Greeks of antiquity, who passed it on to the Arabs. In the Renaissance, scholars rediscovered Greek science through Arabic translations of Greek scientific literature. This rediscovery leads directly to the scientific revolution of the 1500s, which is the basis for much of modern science.

Meanwhile, what did Christianity do for science? It burned academics for harboring unorthodox scientific thinking, lynched scientists, and the Christian hierarchy may have instigated the destruction of the Library of Alexandria...sad but true.


it was cool about what the church did about galileo's persecution, at least they admitted they were wrong.....but did they have to wait a century or two to say sorry??hehehe

[bcasabee]

^^^better late then never... That was past, whats important is that we've learned from it.

[pijavier]

hahahaha, perte ka late. hello mother dee.