Eliseo F. Soriano of ADD - SUSPENDED! Makatwiran ba?

[FK]

pero na man say mga tawo who are concerned with other people's souls.....

Mao sab na among gusto, magkalahi-lahi tuod ta og doctrines pero usa ra atong katuyo-an.

I hope bai mao jud na iya gusto.

Noticing the young man’s talent, Perez made Soriano his assistant preacher. When Perez died in 1975, a power struggle forced Soriano to leave and set up a new group with only 500 members. In 1980, they were able to register their new name, "Mga Kaanib sa Iglesia ng Diyos kay Kristo Hesus, Haligi at Saligan ng Katotohanan."

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... ohh yeah you're not criticizing the members of other sects but attacking the wrong doctrines of the sects + particularly their PREACHERS... IRONIC! preachers are members of the sects and members follow the doctrines and now you're not criticizing them only their doctrines......? Maskin ikaw bai wa man guro gahuna2x.

gapataka ka man lang tawn ug yawit oy..... attacking the doctrines does not neccesarily mean attacking their church's members..... one person or two does not represent the entire church in general......preachers are the one responsinble for the spreading of the wrong or the right doctrines...... they became medium of evil or heavenlyteachings.....so of course.... they need be corrected if they spreading the wrong ones.............

Mao na na si ELI. Do you think na very true siya sa iya gibuhat or nangwarta ra pud na siya? "bro. stop what you are doing beacause that isnt right"..... will they listen in such peaceful "kuno" manner?...... " --> Have you tried to lecture them in your compassionate and soft voice? I don't think so, kay tawagon na man dayon ninyo ug GAGO. hmmmm

a lot of people already dealt with these people in such a peaceful manner..... but with this done.... it would of course resulted in failure..... pareho gud nimo.... nikalit ka man lang ug sabat sa kani nga forum.... human ga inisogisog dayon.... aw hinuon... imo man sad na nga ryt.... wala may manghilabot nimo.....

sa imo diay pagquestion on Eli... if he is telling the truth ba or nangwarta ra pud..... ikaw na lay bahala pag research sa imo nga pangutana.... imoha na nang problema.... kay nakapost na man ko sa una of a little bit of profile ni Eli.......

but im sure..... the Church where Eli belongs.... is exceptional... they are the only church that based all of their teachings in the bible...... wala sad ni sila nangwarta.... kay sa ako na ginaingon (dili lang jud ka motarong ug basa sa mga posts)...... sila ang sapinakapobre nga religious sect..... kun nangurakot pa na sila.... sa una na unta na silang nadatu....

hmmm. You believe someone can understand everything in the Bible but yet you agree that Bible is FULL of mystery... IRONIC AGAIN... I believe all people have the gift of understanding and not just SOME. And they dont need to JUST LISTEN cause you have to understand to live with

it.

sa ako na ginaingon.... read the book of Romans.... pataka ra man tawn ka ug yawyaw oy...... NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE UNDERSTANDING oyyyyyy........ kay ug kun mao pa.... usa na lang untay religion ron...... common sense oy.... bisag gamay.....

Giunsa man niya pagkabalo na TRUTH na iya gisulti na ga base ra siya sa IYA NASABTAN sa bible then CLOSING HIS MIND from the ideas of others. hmmm. Maybe you also need to think don't just listen bai to what ELI said

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basta what Eli is just trying to tell to everybody is all about the Bible..... and nothing else.....

ikaw sad paminaw sad sa ilang program.... naa pa man sila sa radio... wala pa man na BAN.... pero on the process na ang pagban nila sa radio.....

When you brand somebody as such you are already judging bai. As if sab si ELI way sayop niya na mo moingon na siya sa uban ug GAGO. Ok? Maybe nasayop ka ug sabot pud ug WEBSTER. hehehe.

mao ba? now thats judging for you..... if ill say BOANG sa usa ka tawong tinuod nga BOANG..... or BUTA sa usa ka tawong BUTA........is that judging for you?

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Mao sab na among gusto, magkalahi-lahi tuod ta og doctrines pero usa ra atong katuyo-an.

I hope bai mao jud na iya gusto.

and how can we fulfill that katuyoan if we are spreading the wrong doctrines...... could that be possible for example?? most of the goverment officials karon..... are Catholics.... and most of them are that corrupt...... havent the Catholic church expel these people from their church...... or just tolerated them.....

so.... if there is just one religion here..... that would teach "ALL" of God's doctrines..... maminosminosan na unta ang mga Yawa ron........

Noticing the young man’s talent, Perez made Soriano his assistant preacher. When Perez died in 1975, a power struggle forced Soriano to leave and set up a new group with only 500 members. In 1980, they were able to register their new name, "Mga Kaanib sa Iglesia ng Diyos kay Kristo Hesus, Haligi at Saligan ng Katotohanan."

yeah.... that's correct...... nibuwag si Soriano sa karaan nga church after Perez's death..... kay ngano man? ang nipuli ni Perez man gud human siya namatay.... kay usa ka BABAYE.... and whether we like it or not..... it is wrong for a woman to lead the Church..... read some parts of the book of Corinthians...... wala lang ko kafamiliar sa specific verse...... so nibuwag siya.... but led the Church.... having the same doctrines as that of Perez's-belonged church.......

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Mao sab na among gusto, magkalahi-lahi tuod ta og doctrines pero usa ra atong katuyo-an.

I hope bai mao jud na iya gusto.

and how can we fulfill that katuyoan if we are spreading the wrong doctrines...... could that be possible for example?? most of the goverment officials karon..... are Catholics.... and most of them are that corrupt...... havent the Catholic church expel these people from their church...... or just tolerated them.....

so.... if there is just one religion here..... that would teach "ALL" of God's doctrines..... maminosminosan na unta ang mga Yawa ron........

Noticing the young man’s talent, Perez made Soriano his assistant preacher. When Perez died in 1975, a power struggle forced Soriano to leave and set up a new group with only 500 members. In 1980, they were able to register their new name, "Mga Kaanib sa Iglesia ng Diyos kay Kristo Hesus, Haligi at Saligan ng Katotohanan."

yeah.... that's correct...... nibuwag si Soriano sa karaan nga church after Perez's death..... kay ngano man? ang nipuli ni Perez man gud human siya namatay.... kay usa ka BABAYE.... and whether we like it or not..... it is wrong for a woman to lead the Church..... read some parts of the book of Corinthians...... wala lang ko kafamiliar sa specific verse...... so nibuwag siya.... but led the Church.... having the same doctrines as that of Perez's-belonged church.......

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hOI robearthFX:

GITUDLO BA SA BIBLIYA ang pagpasakit sa imong isigkatawo, sama sa pagbalikas, pagbugal-bugal ug uban pa nga mga buhat nga makapasakit sa isigkatawo? Unsa man gibuhat sa imong IDOL karon nga si ELI Soriano sa uban?

Haskang lawgawa jud nimo robearthFX oi!

sa ako na ginaingon.... God's words are harsh for human standards...... pamalikas or pagbugalbugal man tuod para sa uban..... pero kamatinud-anon para sa uban nga nakasabot...... kasabot?

sa ako na ginaingon.... God's words are a fire and a sharp spear......

naa pa diay ko ipabasa nimo..... si Pablo or Saulo ang gaingon ani....

Ug miingon: Ah, ikaw nga napuno sa tanang limbong, ug sa tanang pagluib, anak ikaw sa yawa, ug kaaway sa tanang pagkamatarung, dili ka ba moundang sa pagbalit - ad sa mga matul - id nga dalan sa Ginoo?
Mga Buhat 13 : 10
kanang iyang giyawit? pamalikas na? para nimo.... oo......

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and how can we fulfill that katuyoan if we are spreading the wrong doctrines...... could that be possible for example?? most of the goverment officials karon..... are Catholics.... and most of them are that corrupt...... havent the Catholic church expel these people from their church...... or just tolerated them.....

Gibiyaan ba ta sa ginoo sa pagpakasala nato? Iya ba tang gisalikway? sa panahon nga gilansang si Jesus Christ ni hangyo pa siya sa Dios Amahan nga pasayloon ang mga taw kay wala sila kahibaw sa ilang gibuhat, now you want those who committed sins to be expelled?

but led the Church.... having the same doctrines as that of Perez's-belonged church.......

so duha naka buok church nga pareho og doctrines, asa man ron sakto ana? ngano gipili man sab ni Perez to ang babae?

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Gibiyaan ba ta sa ginoo sa pagpakasala nato? Iya ba tang gisalikway? sa panahon nga gilansang si Jesus Christ ni hangyo pa siya sa Dios Amahan nga pasayloon ang mga taw kay wala sila kahibaw sa ilang gibuhat, now you want those who committed sins to be expelled?

as harsh as it might be.... yes.... ug kun gahi man gani ug ulo ang usa ka member..... I expel....
familiar ma guro ka sa verse nga "ipatakwil ang kapatid nga nagsala tapos ang pangatlong pagsaway"?

Godwill never leave us.... yeah.... I agree.... that is correct.... God may not leave us but there are a lot who leave God.... and have chosen their own ways...... we are given the "free will" to choose what we do prefer...... most of them wer the wrong options......

remember this.... even Satan.... was once an angel....... a good angel at first....... but chose to fight with God.......

so duha naka buok church nga pareho og doctrines, asa man ron sakto ana? ngano gipili man sab ni Perez to ang babae?

of course.... sayop na gud daan ang pagpili ug babaye as puno biblically speaking........... so sayop ang usa...... klaro ana....... Eli just wanted to preserve the biblical teachings that Perez..... spread when he was still alive....

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gapataka ka man lang tawn ug yawit oy..... attacking the doctrines does not neccesarily mean attacking their church's members..... one person or two does not represent the entire church in general......preachers are the one responsinble for the spreading of the wrong or the right doctrines...... they became medium of evil or heavenlyteachings.....so of course.... they need be corrected if they spreading the wrong ones.............
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Ayaw kasuko bai.... Peace OK. Unsa man diay na bai.....? SABTA NI. Ok you're attacking the teachings.... Si ELI mi ingon man kaha na mga gago nang mga nagbuhat ug gasunod sa mga tudlo na di pareha sa iya (naa man pud iya kaugalingon pagsabot )... dba? Kining mga GaGO kinsa man ni? dba ang mga miyembro apil kay tanan miyembro mosunod man sa gitudlo. diba....? You can't seperate bai the doctrines from its member when you speak of it. I hope nakasabot ka.... Nya wa ko bai nagpatka ug sulat.

nikalit ka man lang ug sabat sa kani nga forum.... human ga inisogisog dayon.... aw hinuon... imo man sad na nga ryt.... wala may manghilabot nimo.....

But the thing is you didn't. Did I offend you or something sa ako mga post? Bacn gainisog ra ka bai pagbasa, lain ra raba na ug dating kng pinsuko nimo ug basa ang post. Ok PEACE.

sa ako na ginaingon.... read the book of Romans.... pataka ra man tawn ka ug yawyaw oy...... NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE UNDERSTANDING oyyyyyy........ kay ug kun mao pa.... usa na lang untay religion ron...... common sense oy.... bisag gamay.....

hahaha. mao gyud diay bai. Too literal ra imo pagsabot sa bibliya... COMMON SENSE? You should be the one na kinahanglan ana. heheheh. Mangutana ko ha... Ikaw naay pagsabot o wala? Kinsa may walay pagsabot dinhi.....? Really tinarung. Pagsabot ana nako bai is, NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE UNDERSTANDING to understand everything in his/her environment..... Not literally what was being put n the bible. Dig deeper bai.

What I'm saying bai na tanan naay "understanding" pero not a single person makasabot tanan about sa iya environment. OK... Cause if you understand that literally you can conclude that naay uban way pagsabot...

mao ba? now thats judging for you..... if ill say BOANG sa usa ka tawong tinuod nga BOANG..... or BUTA sa usa ka tawong BUTA........is that judging for you?

YES Cause that is based from Fact na buta siya or bungol. dba? hehehe. Mura ra gud bai na ni ingon ang Judge na guilty ang isa ka mamamatay based from the FACTS gathered that would lead to what is the truth. diba? hahay.

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Godwill never leave us.... yeah.... I agree.... that is correct.... God may not leave us but there are a lot who leave God.... and have chosen their own ways...... we are given the "free will" to choose what we do prefer...... most of them wer the wrong options......

yup, some people choose the different path, pero i-expel lagi ba dayon ang makasala? was peter expelled from being a disciple?

of course.... sayop na gud daan ang pagpili ug babaye as puno biblically speaking........... so sayop ang usa...... klaro ana....... Eli just wanted to preserve the biblical teachings that Perez..... spread when he was still alive....

so nasayop si Perez bai? nga maoy gisundan ni Eli?

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Ayaw kasuko bai.... Peace OK. Unsa man diay na bai.....? SABTA NI. Ok you're attacking the teachings.... Si ELI mi ingon man kaha na mga gago nang mga nagbuhat ug gasunod sa mga tudlo na di pareha sa iya (naa man pud iya kaugalingon pagsabot )... dba? Kining mga GaGO kinsa man ni? dba ang mga miyembro apil kay tanan miyembro mosunod man sa gitudlo. diba....? You can't seperate bai the doctrines from its member when you speak of it. I hope nakasabot ka.... Nya wa ko bai nagpatka ug sulat.

unsa?...... we could not blame ordinary members nga nangailad sila...... sila ay mga taong sunudsunoran lamang...... pareha gud nimo... ug kun catholic man gani ka.... you pray the rosary jud.... without even asking sa imong kaugalingon nga...... "sakto kaha ni?"......

hahaha. mao gyud diay bai. Too literal ra imo pagsabot sa bibliya... COMMON SENSE? You should be the one na kinahanglan ana. heheheh. Mangutana ko ha... Ikaw naay pagsabot o wala? Kinsa may walay pagsabot dinhi.....? Really tinarung. Pagsabot ana nako bai is, NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE UNDERSTANDING to understand everything in his/her environment..... Not literally what was being put n the bible. Dig deeper bai.

unsa imo jud diay nang gitindugan pagayo nga...... tanan.... as in... tanan..... gitagaan sa understanding...... that thing that youve said brad..... is against the bible.... wala lang ko familiar sa verse.... but ill look it for you.... para sad matauhan ka...... nga nagastate nga....... "konti lang ang makakaunawa".......

you mentioned sad that im taking the bible literally..... of course.... some parts of the bible are to be takin literally...... example... para makasabot ka..... "

And God called the dry land, Earth. And He called the gathering together of the waters, Seas. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1 : 10

kana nga verse bro.... naa pa bay laing meaning ana? gawas sa literal nga meaning? ikaw? dili man kaha literal ang imong pagtake sa bible.... hatagi kuno ug laing meaning kana nge verse beh..... gawas sa physical meaning.....

YES Cause that is based from Fact na buta siya or bungol. dba? hehehe. Mura ra gud bai na ni ingon ang Judge na guilty ang isa ka mamamatay based from the FACTS gathered that would lead to what is the truth. diba? hahay.

so that's judging for you...... telling the truth is judging.... so.... following your illogical logic..... if in a court..... a witness tells the truth..... he can then become a judge since he speaks of the truth......... wow naman..... galing mo......