V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

[Master_Lampa]

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okay.. so dili lang revocation sa license suspension for 90 days.. moral damages 250 thousand.. attoryney's fee 50 thousand.. exemplary damages of 200 thousand.. cost against the respondent.

[nonoyantoine]

wapak! dako d.i sah?

[LytSlpr]

Agree man ko nga naa gyud sayop ang mga medical practitioners ni attend ni JanJan but their ethical lapses are not that grave as what the media is sensationalizing it to be and if I were those doctors, I will also try to blame the system in the government hospitals thus it will boomerang to the government.

Mo ingon sad ko kung naa to private hospital di man to ma ingon ato because proper procedures and protocols are IMPOSED and FOLLOWED there.

Without the video, could JanJan have sued? I don't think so! So let us also zero in on who really took the footage kay kanang ka unprofessional ug ka samok sa government hospitals given na man na, whether we like it or not.

Di sad unta nila kalimtan ang nag paslak, kay sa tan-aw nako sa mga doctor ra man ga sige ug concentrate ang tanan. Unsaon ta man wa man gud to'y nahut ang callboy di sad to madug-an ug kwarta.

LASTLY, I am not trying to put the thread starter in a hot seat because he or she might have just copied and pasted it but WA MO MAKABANTAY? The title of this thread ends with the word SPECTACLE, not SCANDAL or CONTROVERSY. In a spectacle, people are AMAZED or LAUGHING, way manghilak, kaguol or kaluoy. So this only affirms that though the doctors were unprofessional and/or probably homophobic and prejudice, they were only human and their offense was not that grave. The only thing that made this controversial is the video, so they should catch who took the video and the people responsible in securing the OR ana ra na ka simple.

[giddyboy]

oh come on?! have you ever been to a government hospital? the doctors have no control, the admin has no control and that's reality. If I was one of the doctors, I would squeal and say, mao man nag ang practice diri, kahibaw mi nga sayop pero mao na ang na-andan. so where does the blame go now? the admin and will possibly boomerang back to DOH making this case very possible of being whitewashed. moreover, the media is GUILTY of the SAME CRIME of taking pictures and videos of victims COUNTLESS TIMES but hey they are the media, they are UNTOUCHABLE even by the court or ombud or whatever. So hilom na lang sila haylas beh banatan sila sa media, makabayad pa sila kung i-blackmail.

I know we have varying opinions regarding Jan2x's case. clash of opinion's like these are healthy coz it provides u to debate on the arguments.

anyways, yes, i have been to VSMMC, CCMC, and even Community Hospital. yes, they have lax control and systems as compared to private-run hospitals.

as u said, maoy naandan...well, too bad.

AND THE BIG "BUT", is that hospitals don't make the doctor or nurses. bsan pa ibutang ang medical "professionals" sa farthest flungs of Timbuktu, or even in the midst of a war zone, they have sworn to uphold their duties to save lives & at the same time uphold their code of ethics that is given to them as "privilege" to practice medicine. SAVING LIVES and ETHICS must always go hand in hand and not w/o the latter.

i even have a cousin doctor who also witnessed part of the operation. thankfully, she was on her right mind ug wala ngpada sa hitabo. otherwise, apil unta toh cya sa kaso...she even cautioned some peeps about it, and told them not to let too many peeps inside the OR. but unsay nahitabo? walay naminaw niya...see?

ok, ok, so we myt say also that mao na gyuy "culture" sa gov't-run hospitals. well, what better way to wake them (entire Phil medical industry) up than this video scandal...and wow, in Cebu pa gyud! :mrgreen:

this is very vague and very questionable. if i was one of the doctors there, i could always deny it. in a larger perspective, hospital administration will take most of the blame for the lax procedures.

if I were one of the doctors there in the OR and deny it, it would just makes matters worse for me. why? ngano mamakak pa man ka nga nakita man sa youtube...even if we say wala makita imong nawong, naa may hospital records to prove u were there performing the operation...

u r correct, hospital admin will take the blame for the lax procedures but those indicted were part of the hospital admin as "staff" as well...

i may be generalizing but majority of people are still in denial about their being homophobic, particularl in the age bracket that will or is hearing the case. this is a still a traditional catholic, macho-dominated country the last time i checked. need i say more? that's as real as it gets.. if you can change tht overnight through this incident, good luck!

again, being homophobic has NO RELATION to the case...abi ky mahadlok ug bayot ang usa ka judge or fiscal, dili na nuon mo-pabor sa bayot? di ko kasabot sa imong buot ipa ibot...u mean they will become biased and SUBJECTIVE on the victim's sexual preference & character, and not on the SUBSTANCE of the case instead? aw c'mon...

So far, all the entities you mentioned are "FOR SALE" probably except for the Ombud. Moreover, after all these brouhaha and fanfare, this controversy will die a natural death. Just like countless other issues in this part of the world and that is for certain.

do u think dili sab "FOR SALE" ang ilang pgka supposedly prominent family pud sa doctors? think about it...

now let's get back to "PROMINENT FAMILY" and being "influential". do u think these doctors even have the hint of likeness of a Dr. Larrazabal? do u think Dr. Arias and Dr. Montecillo have enough clout (politically or financially) to turn the case around in their favor? pgka layoa ra gyud sa nangahitabo karon...

i was referring to the logic.

what logic is "Jan2x like a prosti crying rape"? as ive said before, Jan2x could not even come close to being a prosti no matter how u make out of him in various analogies. he is the "customer"...just like a man paying for ***, just like a lesbian paying for ***, just like a female paying for ***...and cried rape.

nagpasa-pasa man gani na ang agency over the jurisdiction. in sympathy for janjan? are those numbers confirmed? i don't think so! again, those entities are either corrupt or don't want to have anything to do with this controversy. ang uban, nag sakay-sakay lang sa limelight. first, DOH is corrupt. if Ombud will handle the case, the possible penalties are negligible.

na pasa2x ang kaso between DOH and Ombud doesn't mean they are not concerned over the case. it was just to avoid overlapping of jurisdiction. In this case, "concerned" is related to their duties & obligation to prosecute. it may not be called "sympathy" at all but this is what we call "trabaho lng, walang personalan". DOH being corrupt is even out of the question. ky ngano mangikik cla aning kasoha?

yes, what we are just doing here are just speculations on whether who sides with who. But my point is, it is more logical to say that more are siding with the victim...not the other way around.

i don't have to take his word for it because i can simply analyze it. stuffing it inside his anus while unconscious? again, what is the motive and what are the chances?

he may be a victim alright but let us not forget that he intentionally placed himself in a compromising situation.

there are only 2 possible realistic scenarios that could have happened:

(1) Jan2x inserted the canister by himself to:
(a) self satisfaction in a perverse way (thinking makuha ra by himself), (b) accident (no intention of inserting the whole canister)

(2) the callboy inserted the canister into Jan2x anus to:
(a) get back on Jan2x for insulting him, (b) other motives (i.e. make fun of Jan2x)

both have equal chances of happening. who knows but c Jan2x ra gyud...

and what compromising situation r we talking about? nga kataw-anan kau iyang kahimtang pag abot nya sa hospital? IMHO, the doctors and nurses made Jan2x's situation compromising instead...as i've mentioned before, the issue is never the patient.

they should have been professional about jan-jan's case but stripping them off their licenses simply because this case is controversial is also uncalled for and far out and i don't think the ombud moreover the DOH is inclined on doing that. what does it say in both agency's book in the first place? i assume the punishment for such acts are lesser than that is being talked about or asked for by some entities.

i didn't say jan-jan's case would "surely" strip the doctor's licenses. what i said was it could be possible, depending on the outcome of the investigations.

they should separate those incidents, but is that what is happening right now? i don't think so!

sa korte pre, separate matter gyud na. but if we r talking about opinion-makers like u and me, media, columnists, the church, etc...posible masagol gyud nang duha.

i really cannot comprehend how the so called victim is not liable for his actions in this context.

actually, he could <sarcastic>...if found out nga self-intentional, pwede niya ikiha iyang kaugalingon...hikhikhik

hypothetical scenario, a girl rides the jeep in a skimpy clothing and is hooted on and gazed with dirty eyes and cries harassment. sure it may be harassment and this may be a free country but it still does not discount the fact that the girl is not totally innocent and did intentionally place herself in that situation, JUST LIKE JAN-JAN.

that doesn't even come close...here's a better one:

"a boy gets a female prosti and paid for ***. he was so drunk that he overly insulted the girl ky lagum ug ilok ug baho ug ehem. he then blacked out and in the next morning complained of pains in his crotch. he went to a hospital for an x-ray and found out naay toothpick embedded inside."

DOES THIS HYPO SCENARIO MAKE A "SUBSTANTIAL" DIFFERENCE w/ Jan2x's case? NO.

i know for a fact that people have been done a lot more injustice for lesser even no compensation. moreover, if every gay, pimp, prosti, GRO will be in a similar but not necessarily the same scenario, let us compensate them all. who are we going to blame this time? the government? for being corrupt thus causing poverty and thereby driving these people to this kind of work? we always have someone to blame huh? that's very comforting.

simple...blame the doctors & the hospital...somebody has to be blamed u know.

of course because the former incident is not as interesting as the latter, lest we forget, is who caused all of this in the first place.

not Jan2x, but the one who posted the video on youtube. "blessing in disguise" as what we myt call it.

if there was no youtube video, no scandal...

and to say that we should focus more our attention on the one who posted it on youtube, i beg to differ. we should focus more instead on what we have seen on that video and think about it. IT'S MORE OF AN EYE OPENER TO ALL. i am even tempted to thank the youtube poster for it...

[radiostar]

i disagree, bad things happen to people with or without consent...

only janjan knows the real score, so don't put in salt to injury...

dapat iya sad to pangita.on ang nagpaslak og cannister sa iyang anus, common sense why not buy a ***** to satisfy his sexual needs?

[giddyboy]

dapat iya sad to pangita.on ang nagpaslak og cannister sa iyang anus, common sense why not buy a ***** to satisfy his sexual needs?

mao gyud. pwede ra man fingers (or even a lubricated eggplant ) would do. but a perfume canister that big? ouch!!! mao nang dili ko mka ingon nga self intentional gyud. binuang gyud na...and to me that's common sense.

i have asked around, maybe mga 4 na ka bayot and asked," would u really insert a black suede canister into ur anus by urself?" their answer is, "sus Ginoo ko, dili intawn wui!!! nangabang gani ka ky gusto ka ug tinuod..."... :mrgreen:

[ursoman]

haha.. lubricated eggplant..

kung wa pani siya ga yabag2x di tana ni maabot sa ingon ani..

[she_babymo]

This is just a forum, all we can do is just speculate. So are yo trying to imply that I might as well shut up and don't speak my mind for the the fear of being labeled as prejudice and/or biasedl? Where is the fun in that?

you can always have fun and not be judgmental..

anyway, the harm is done, the scandal has been made.. let's just hope for the best for both parties..

[Minuano27]

.. as stated on Article 2217 of the Civil Code that you've posted above, it is clear that the attorney of Janjan or maybe Dave or maybe those human rights group or maybe janjan's family.... or to make it short, maybe the amount came to six million because many will have their share. As i've heard here in our barangay, actually my barrio and janjan's barrio are neighbours, hehehe... janjan's party are now &quot; counting their chicks before the egg hatches&quot; saying MGA DOCTOR BITAW NA, DAGHAN NA KWARTA, MUHATAG LAGI NA. That's how ugly this situation has become. It's not about morals anymore but money.....

money = lingin nga katarungan


..actually we have a lawyer here minuano27 ... hope he sheds light on this discussion of ours.

karon pa ko kabantay ani dah...wanted man diay ko...

anyway, 1 factor na dapat i-consider sa amount nga gi-demand is the filing fees. dili dawaton imong complaint kung wala'y bayad. of course speculation ra ni on my part, pero i'm sure nga ang filing fees gi-consider na sa pagdecide kung pila ang demanda. although pwede man ma waive ang filing fees, kinanglan mo apply pa ka to file the case as a pauper litigant. ambot kung ni-apply ba ang complainant.

kung sa legal aspect lang, IMO, the &quot;victim&quot; has a cause of action against the doctors, etc. for moral damages. actually sayon raman i-identify ang victim - hospital records: on Xdate, a patient with the name of Y was operated on to remove the canister. all the victim needs to do is show that he is patient Y. obviously, dili man maka deny ang hospital nga diha silay patient with that medical condition.

[fingolfin]

.. yo minu, thanks for that. we're enjoying our little discussions here about janjan's arse, hehe. We tackled morality then by-laws, i don't know what's next. Anyway, this case has now ceased in the public eye. No reports here with my neighbours too.