V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

[she_babymo]

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common sense will tell you.

i don't judge, nor speculate when it comes to personal things..

if he says it, i respect it..

but i don't speak in behalf of anyone..

so with or without commonsense, i just don't easily judge people...

[giddyboy]

unya if mu claim cya nga hubog cya while gipaslak sa iyahang burit ang canister in which case rape na jd ni nga case no doubt about it.. pero nganu mas interested pa man cya i prosecute ang mga health personnel kaysa criminal case against the call boy... it boils down to his intention... $$$$.. he must go to court with clean hands. peace!

"A truth that's told with bad intention
beats all the lies you can invent."- William Blake

hahay. balikon nako ha...ang "rape" case ni Jan2x is totally separate from the video scandal.

the rape case against the callboy (if im not mistaken) was already filed by Jan2x's lawyer. that case was "criminal" (and could also be civil) in nature.

while the video scandal is "administrative and civil" (could also be criminal). it also involves a lot of peeps and not just only one person. heck, it even involves also the V Sotto hospital mismo and affects the whole Phil. medical field and even abroad. ti-aw mo na?

mas interested sa video scandal case? in what way? pag file sa complaint? or sa incidental exposure sa media?

of course, it would "look like" he is more interested on that video scandal due to the scope of the case and media exposure of the scandal that goes with it. the video scandal is the talk of the town my friend. it totally stirred a hornet's nest...and that is what makes it very far more significant than the rape case against the callboy.

and did the media even talk about the rape case against the callboy? rarely or not at all...

[LytSlpr]

i dunno if "grave misconduct" as serious as that case could revoke their licenses. they should have treated the patient as a rape victim. they should have considered the already embarassing situation of Jan2x ug wala nila samoti by not limiting the number of osyoso staff inside the OR, not banning cameras, and, not reminding the whole staff the sensitive and delicate situation they are in...

"Ang pagpaslak sa canister sa iyang anus was when he was unconscious. This therefore, is considered RAPE.", Guiller Ceniza, lawyer of Genaro Jorolan.

oh come on?! have you ever been to a government hospital? the doctors have no control, the admin has no control and that's reality. If I was one of the doctors, I would squeal and say, mao man nag ang practice diri, kahibaw mi nga sayop pero mao na ang na-andan. so where does the blame go now? the admin and will possibly boomerang back to DOH making this case very possible of being whitewashed. moreover, the media is GUILTY of the SAME CRIME of taking pictures and videos of victims COUNTLESS TIMES but hey they are the media, they are UNTOUCHABLE even by the court or ombud or whatever. So hilom na lang sila haylas beh banatan sila sa media, makabayad pa sila kung i-blackmail.

they were unprofessional and unethical, that is. and that could make them incompetent in some ways.
obviously the gov't still NEEDS them, but not WANT people like them...

this is very vague and very questionable. if i was one of the doctors there, i could always deny it. in a larger perspective, hospital administration will take most of the blame for the lax procedures.

that's is a glittering generality my friend. there's no numbers to back up your observation. and even if we say that is true, unsa may labot anang pgka homophobic sa kaso? u mean ma-biased? let's get real sab oi...

i may be generalizing but majority of people are still in denial about their being homophobic, particularl in the age bracket that will or is hearing the case. this is a still a traditional catholic, macho-dominated country the last time i checked. need i say more? that's as real as it gets.. if you can change tht overnight through this incident, good luck!

well, the "media" is far more influential than any prominent family we can think of here. these prominent doctors even don't stand a chance to CHR, LADLAD and the Ombud.

So far, all the entities you mentioned are "FOR SALE" probably except for the Ombud. Moreover, after all these brouhaha and fanfare, this controversy will die a natural death. Just like countless other issues in this part of the world and that is for certain.

being a nobody is what made him a big somebody in this case. and no, he is not like a prosti crying rape. he is instead a "customer" crying rape.

i was referring to the logic.

that is the most "unrealistic" statement i heard so far. didn't u follow the news? even DOH and the Ombud are already giving administrative sanctions. not to mention LADLAD, Dave Tumulak, and others in sympathy for Jan2x. those are the numbers...

nagpasa-pasa man gani na ang agency over the jurisdiction. in sympathy for janjan? are those numbers confirmed? i don't think so! again, those entities are either corrupt or don't want to have anything to do with this controversy. ang uban, nag sakay-sakay lang sa limelight. first, DOH is corrupt. if Ombud will handle the case, the possible penalties are negligible.

well, that speculation will remain a speculation unless we get facts that it was self intentional. as of now, we just have to take Jan2x's word for that matter. he is the victim, not the perpetrator.

i don't have to take his word for it because i can simply analyze it. stuffing it inside his anus while unconscious? again, what is the motive and what are the chances?

he may be a victim alright but let us not forget that he intentionally placed himself in a compromising situation.

lagi kataw-anan man gyud unsay nahitabo ni Jan2x but the medical "professionals" should have been "professional". we should also be in the proper sense to separate that supposedly rape incident from what happened in the OR.

they should have been professional about jan-jan's case but stripping them off their licenses simply because this case is controversial is also uncalled for and far out and i don't think the ombud moreover the DOH is inclined on doing that. what does it say in both agency's book in the first place? i assume the punishment for such acts are lesser than that is being talked about or asked for by some entities.

they should separate those incidents, but is that what is happening right now? i don't think so!

dili tarong nga bayot? in what way? his morality? of course, but that is out of the question...and lustful stupidity? in what way? ky gipaslakan cya while unconscious?

i really cannot comprehend how the so called victim is not liable for his actions in this context.

hypothetical scenario, a girl rides the jeep in a skimpy clothing and is hooted on and gazed with dirty eyes and cries harassment. sure it may be harassment and this may be a free country but it still does not discount the fact that the girl is not totally innocent and did intentionally place herself in that situation, JUST LIKE JAN-JAN.

u think dili cya deserving ug damages like a 6M compensation? well, swerte lang ka nga dili ikaw ang naagrabyado. kung ikaw pa kha toh pre, dili kha ka mo file ug damages bsan 6K lang? ky bsan 6M or 6K, no matter how we look at it, is still called MORAL DAMAGES...

i know for a fact that people have been done a lot more injustice for lesser even no compensation. moreover, if every gay, pimp, prosti, GRO will be in a similar but not necessarily the same scenario, let us compensate them all. who are we going to blame this time? the government? for being corrupt thus causing poverty and thereby driving these people to this kind of work? we always have someone to blame huh? that's very comforting.

anyhow, what we should focus here is the issue of "what happened in the OR", not "what happened before Jan2x was hospitalized"...

of course because the former incident is not as interesting as the latter, lest we forget, is who caused all of this in the first place.

[LytSlpr]

Regarding point no. 1, i tend to disagree with that. Remember the election is almost up so whatever is favorable for the majority is more considerable for those of the higher position. And the majority sympathizes with JanJAn.

TECHNICALLY, there is no majority to speak of. There is only Jan-Jan, the medical staff, Ombud & DOH, plus the media. The public may have sympathy for Jan-Jan but that is even divided and inconclusive.

And about No.4, you have no right to judge anyone. Especially if you don't the know him/her personally.

just my 2 cents...

This is just a forum, all we can do is just speculate. So are yo trying to imply that I might as well shut up and don't speak my mind for the the fear of being labeled as prejudice and/or biasedl? Where is the fun in that?

[Master_Lampa]

good point Lyt!

[LytSlpr]

Lastly, makigpusta ko kung matangtangan ba ni ug lisensya ang mga doctor. Motuo pa hinuon ko nga na'ay sacrificial lamb nga nurse para ingnon naa sila'y gibuhat ug mao kunohay to ni shoot sa video ug ni-upload sa YouTube, but the doctors? That is so remote! If this issue will just simply fade into the sunset, not even a medical assistant will be fired.

Plus it doesn't make sense that one of the doctors took the video since they were performing the procedure. This alone will make their offense lesser. Now why are there people in the OR, this can be pointed to VSSMC admin/DOH.

Wa man gani dutli si Potenciano Larrazabal nga ma grabe pa to iyang gibuhat unya datu sad ang kontra.

[Master_Lampa]

OT: lyt unsa gani to ka larrazabal?? ka2 issue ug death certificate nga wla diay mamatay mao ba ni?

[LytSlpr]

OT: lyt unsa gani to ka larrazabal?? ka2 issue ug death certificate nga wla diay mamatay mao ba ni?

Dr. larrazabal signed a death certificate of a woman supposedly due for autopsy without personally attending to her. The woman allegedly died of asphyxia instead of cardiac arrest as declared on the death certificate. The matriarch, belonging to a wealthy and controversial Chinese clan in Ma. Luisa was allegedly murdered by a relative or family member for her insurance and properties.

In this CDN Article, the owner of Cebu Doctors' University Hospital was JUST MERELY reprimanded and his license WAS NOT suspended as earlier reported by media. BOINK!

In this regard, how can we expect a graver punishment for a MERE ethic lapse and unprofessionalism with the doctor's involved in the canister scandal? For me it is unrealistic and does not make sense.

Where are the numbers now?

Needless to mention, the Medical Malpractice Bill which MAJORITY of Medical Practioners were VEHEMENTLY AGAINST are the same people condemning the acts of the doctors involved. They were against the bill kay di kuno applicable sa Pilipinas. Well that was exactly what happened to the doctors involved sa controversy.

Talk about having double-standards. Ka mga hypocrite baya aning uban mga doctors ug medical practitioners.

In America, the HIPAA law applies to everyone involved in the medical industry but in the Philippines, depende ra sa sitwasyon.

This is also one of the factors that weakens JanJan's case, because we don't have a strong and precise bill or law for it. They are only basing it on ethics and professionalism. I mean what is their case with that? That does not hold water.

[Master_Lampa]

tsk tsk tsk.. kato mu klaru nga malpractice ka larrazabal kay mura na ug abogado nga ni notaryo nga wala gani diha mismu ang mga parties para mu take oath sa iyaha atubangan.. unya kini na hinuon nga succesful pa ang operation.. unethical nga lang..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

- First , Dr Larrazabal is not also an ordinary person , kung influential clan ang victim sa Maria Luisa , the LARRAZABALS are also one of the ELITES in Cebu if hutdanay ug kwarta lang storyahan sa korte .

- Second , LYTSLPR may have a point na its WHO YOU KNOW and NOT WHAT YOU KNOW when issues like these arise . But do we have to argue that walay SALA^ ang mga HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS na ni attend ni JAN JAN all the way from the DOCTOR to the most junior personnel involved ? We may judge it subjectively kay harsh ra kaayo ang punishmen na gipasaka ie i-revoke ang licenses etc , but we have to ponder just like the victims of the VIGILANTES na suko kaayo ta nila pero kung kita ang mga biktima sa mga tulisan pwerting lipaya nato na naay vigilante , susama pod na puhon hinaut si JANJAN na ang last ug walay taga iSTORYA.net mabiktima aning mga DOKTORA .

- Sa mga cge ug sulti kabahin sa sexual preference ni JANJAN , wala man intawn nay labot mga dodong and inday , the issue lage here are the UNPROFFESIONALISM and UNETHICAL practices of these so called HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS .