The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[Hellblazer]

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OT: ...just wondering...have you met a saint / saints personally already?

nope. you?

[tripwire]

Funny thought that when Mother Theresa became a saint and PJ Paul II will eventually become one as well but when they were alive, people profess them as saints. So, I guess the answer will be Yes and No. I've seen one before they become one.

[mordecai_327]

nope. you?

Yup. Lots of them. In fact I see them almost everyday...in the church, in the malls, in a coffee shop, etc.

[Hellblazer]

Yup. Lots of them. In fact I see them almost everyday...in the church, in the malls, in a coffee shop, etc.

ow, you mean statues? ('c',)

[ARAH]

you knew statues only. hehehe

[mordecai_327]

ow, you mean statues? ('c',)

LOL.

...kidding aside, Saints are living people and not dead, according to the Scriptures.

Let's glean some evidences from the Scriptures itself.

• Acts 9:13 "Lord," Ananias answered, "I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your saints in Jerusalem.
...a Believer of Jesus Christ named Ananias referred to other Believers living in Jerusalem as saints, persecuted by Saul (later became the Apostle Paul)...

• Acts 26:10 And that is just what I did in Jerusalem. On the authority of the chief priests I put many of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, I cast my vote against them.
...Paul (formerly known as Saul) admittedly persecuted those Believers living in Jerusalem, whom he referred to as saints, before the presence of King Agrippa.

• Romans 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
...the Apostle Paul addresses the recipients of his letter (Letter to the Romans) as saints.

• 1 Corinthians 6:10 [ Lawsuits Among Believers ] If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?
...saints congregating in the Corinthian church...

• Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus, [ Some early manuscripts do not have in Ephesus.] the faithful [ Or believers who are] in Christ Jesus:
...Paul is addressing the Ephesians in the church of Ephesus as saints...

• Philippians 1:1 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers [ Traditionally bishops] and deacons:
...Paul again addressing the congregation at Philippi as saints...

• Jude 1:3 [ The sin and doom of Godless men ] Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.
...another New Testament author, Jude, calls the Believers as saints...

• Revelation 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
...the Apostle John exhorts Believers whom he called saints...

...and the list goes on....

Like you Sir, if you are a Believer of Jesus Christ (though I'm not sure you are) then you can be considered as a saint, but I don't think it will sound nice with your name in this forum: "saint Hellblazer"...an oxy*****... nothing "saintly" in hell

Bitaw...
There are still other passages that made mention of Believers of Jesus Christ as saints, found in the Bible. And they were alive that time, not dead, compared to what Roman Catholicism refers to.

[carmicael]

LOL.

...kidding aside, Saints are living people and not dead, according to the Scriptures.

Let's glean some evidences from the Scriptures itself.

• Acts 9:13 "Lord," Ananias answered, "I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your saints in Jerusalem.
...a Believer of Jesus Christ named Ananias referred to other Believers living in Jerusalem as saints, persecuted by Saul (later became the Apostle Paul)...

• Acts 26:10 And that is just what I did in Jerusalem. On the authority of the chief priests I put many of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, I cast my vote against them.
...Paul (formerly known as Saul) admittedly persecuted those Believers living in Jerusalem, whom he referred to as saints, before the presence of King Agrippa.

• Romans 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
...the Apostle Paul addresses the recipients of his letter (Letter to the Romans) as saints.

• 1 Corinthians 6:10 [ Lawsuits Among Believers ] If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?
...saints congregating in the Corinthian church...

• Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus, [ Some early manuscripts do not have in Ephesus.] the faithful [ Or believers who are] in Christ Jesus:
...Paul is addressing the Ephesians in the church of Ephesus as saints...

• Philippians 1:1 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers [ Traditionally bishops] and deacons:
...Paul again addressing the congregation at Philippi as saints...

• Jude 1:3 [ The sin and doom of Godless men ] Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.
...another New Testament author, Jude, calls the Believers as saints...

• Revelation 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
...the Apostle John exhorts Believers whom he called saints...

...and the list goes on....

Like you Sir, if you are a Believer of Jesus Christ (though I'm not sure you are) then you can be considered as a saint, but I don't think it will sound nice with your name in this forum: "saint Hellblazer"...an oxy*****... nothing "saintly" in hell

Bitaw...
There are still other passages that made mention of Believers of Jesus Christ as saints, found in the Bible. And they were alive that time, not dead, compared to what Roman Catholicism refers to.

uhuh... saints bitaw tanan believers of JC.

for clarification:
the RC "saint":

the older term for saint is martyr, meaning someone who would rather die than give up their faith, or more specifically, witness for God. however, as the word martyr took on more and more the meaning of "one who died for the Faith," the term saint, meaning holy, became more common to describe the whole of Christian (RC)witnesses, both martyrs and confessors.

[mordecai_327]

@carmicaeld

....i took what Scriptures refer to at face value Sir, irregardless of whether it was classified by some religious groups or not.

[carmicael]

@carmicaeld

....i took what Scriptures refer to at face value Sir, irregardless of whether it was classified by some religious groups or not.

yeah. i know. i just wanted to emphasize. defensive jud ko sa? senxa. anyway, para lang to sa mga RC na wa ka balo. na conventional na man gud ang term na saint for martyr.

hehe, i'm no sir, sir. ;p

Q:
what can you say about those catholics that "WORSHIP" saints.? ako, personally, i know, di na jud mao. bati kaayo sa?

[mordecai_327]

Q:
what can you say about those catholics that "WORSHIP" saints.? ako, personally, i know, di na jud mao. bati kaayo sa?

...couldn't agree more hehehe! :mrgreen: