Are you supporting federalism, what can you say about BBL?

[contractman]

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what senator santiago is bringing to the fore is her opinion only, and we know that one's opinion, however he or she thinks highly of himself or herself, is as good as ours. another thing, she is not the supreme court. let us put levity or sarcasm aside and face the issue squarely. i asked you because you sound to be knowledgeable about the proposed bangsamoro basic law and you speak with all the valor of an expert, not unlike senator santiago. i assume we are all reasonable men here. and all reasonable men use reason rather than parrot what the other is saying.
now, if we follow the line of reasoning of senator santiago that the enumeration of those reserved powers render the proposed measure unconstitutional, so it follows that it is the enumeration that makes the proposed measure unconstitutional, and not the entity to be established as substate that is unconstitutional, right?
i ask you again, which provision in the 1987 Constitution that will be transgressed if and when Congress will pass the proposed bangsamoro basic law?
please do not turn the table against me because i need clarification from you, considering that you read about it and followed the discussions on TV and on the net.

boss unsa may gusto nimo ipaabot idayon gyud ang BBL? then pasabta ko ngano nindot na.

[Juan Martinez]

Did you catch what I said on "they are studying and reviewing it if it is indeed will threatened the Philippine's sovereignty, right?
Did that even conclusive to you and if it is then you are assuming all what I mentioned conclusive to say BBL is indeed unconstitutional? Wla nalang unta na nila gi review o approve na unta na diretso if kanang mga cogressman o sa senate wala naka sense og mga irregularities sa provision sa bbl in regards sa constitutions?



Hahahah i was merely quoting her statement and posting my previous post of possible breach against sa constitution. This is simple you mocking me on how I put all those statement, and on how I catch your attention must have put a nail into your BBL. The main reason I will always say is why the heck would they want to separate and establish their own entity? And to think this agreement is between the executive branch and the MILF. We do have 3 branches, and that the reality is that only one of the three branches of government - the executive branch, consisting of the Office of the President acting through a peace panel of negotiators - represented the government. The executive branch alone does not represent the Philippine Government, db? Thus, the executive branch, in negotiating the Agreement had no power to bind the two other branches - legislative and judicial. In negotiating for the government, I am afraid that the executive branch not only exceeded its powers, but may have infringed upon the powers of the legislative branch.


This Agreement is between the Philippine Government (GPH) and the MILF. It is misleading for the Agreement to identify that one party is the "Philippine Government." The reality is that only one of the three branches of government - the executive branch, consisting of the Office of the President acting through a peace panel of negotiators - represented the government. The executive branch alone does not represent the Philippine Government. Thus, the executive branch, in negotiating the Agreement had no power to bind the two other branches - legislative and judicial. In negotiating for the government, I am afraid that the executive branch not only exceeded its powers, but may have infringed upon the powers of the legislative branch.




No direct provision in our current Constitution as I've heard/read but the interpretation of it as described as it would be contrary to the Constitution because it provides that the National Government retains all the powers not devolved to the local governments.

The Exclusive Powers given to the Bangsamoro also provokes controversy. Ako e site sa akong nabasa lang ni ha..

In the Constitution it has vested the legislative powers in the Congress of the Philippines and has given Congress the responsibility of giving life to certain provisions of the Constitution. Among them is Article XIV of the Constitution on Education, etc. which provides, inter alia, the following:

“Section 3: (1) All educational institutions shall include the study of the Constitution as part of the Curricula;

(2) They shall inculcate patriotism and nationalism, foster love of humanity, respect for human rights, appreciation of the role of national heroes in the historical development of the country, teach the rights and duties of citizenship …”

Enacting the laws to activate these provisions of the Constitution on education should go a long way to achieving national reconciliation and unity...BUT

On the other hand, it may be noted that the Bangsamoro Basic Law(Article IX on the Right to Education) is silent on the ideals of nationalism and expresses only the needs, ideals and aspirations of the Bangsamoro as may be seen below:

Article IX of Section 13. Integrated System of Quality Education: The Bangsamoro Government shall establish, maintain, and support, as a top priority, a complete and integrated system of quality education and adopt an educational framework that is relevant, and responsive to the needs, ideals, and aspirations of the Bangsamoro.


They are lacking of expounded interpretations will mean everything.. just as you will know, words means a lot. And if that is open to interpretation, it clearly violates and does not upholds on what is stated in the constitution.

with all due respect, what you have, apart from blustering, you really do not have clue. in public discourse, much like this, you need to be armed with relevant education or information about the issue, rather than take some people's opinion as gospel truth. instead of making pejorative comments against the muslim,*you need to at least educate yourself with their and our own history starting during the pre-hispanic period. you need to inform yourself of the history of the mnlf, milf, and the biff. the personalities involved and what they are fighting for. all at the same time keeping an open mind because a person who does not have it "is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture."*i respectfully request you do just that. like anything else, little knowledge is very dangerous. all these informations are available at your fingertips. it is only a matter of reading. And reading, according to Francis bacon, maketh a full man. read and undstand the provisions of the proposed BBL. thereafter you revisit the Constitution, not the 1935 nor 1973 or worse the malolos, but 1987 Constitution, and use this as yardstick, and test whether these provisions or the entire proposed BBL could pass muster our fundamental law rather than blabber and cite any person or persons who have their own agenda. that way, you are better informed, and an informed person is an empowered citizen. do this for love of country. saf44 died for love of country. with the all-out offensive against biff many more of our soldiers will shed their blood for our country. you read and understand *also the book of Markku Suksi on*Substate Governance through Territorial Autonomy, A Comparative Study in Constitutional Law of Powers, Procedures and Institutions (2011). read the 2008 decision of the supreme court on MOA-AD. unless and until you know all these things personally, you do not know a thing. do not talk without thinking otherwise argue with all the valor of ignorance.*

[Juan Martinez]

boss unsa may gusto nimo ipaabot idayon gyud ang BBL? then pasabta ko ngano nindot na.

did i say it? no, let us read understand the proposed measure, let us read and understand our constitution and use this as our yardstick using our God-given intellect to determine whether the proposed bangsamoro basic law is toeing the line of the Constitution, rather than take some people's opinion as gospel truth. why? have we not cognitive faculties?

[yhokz101]

with all due respect, what you have, apart from blustering, you really do not have clue. in public discourse, much like this, you need to be armed with relevant education or information about the issue, rather than take some people's opinion as gospel truth. instead of making pejorative comments against the muslim,*you need to at least educate yourself with their and our own history starting during the pre-hispanic period. you need to inform yourself of the history of the mnlf, milf, and the biff. the personalities involved and what they are fighting for. all at the same time keeping an open mind because a person who does not have it "is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture."*i respectfully request you do just that. like anything else, little knowledge is very dangerous. all these informations are available at your fingertips. it is only a matter of reading. And reading, according to Francis bacon, maketh a full man. read and undstand the provisions of the proposed BBL. thereafter you revisit the Constitution, not the 1935 nor 1973 or worse the malolos, but 1987 Constitution, and use this as yardstick, and test whether these provisions or the entire proposed BBL could pass muster our fundamental law rather than blabber and cite any person or persons who have their own agenda. that way, you are better informed, and an informed person is an empowered citizen. do this for love of country. saf44 died for love of country. with the all-out offensive against biff many more of our soldiers will shed their blood for our country. you read and understand *also the book of Markku Suksi on*Substate Governance through Territorial Autonomy, A Comparative Study in Constitutional Law of Powers, Procedures and Institutions (2011). read the 2008 decision of the supreme court on MOA-AD. unless and until you know all these things personally, you do not know a thing. do not talk without thinking otherwise argue with all the valor of ignorance.*

nosebleed ko ah.. hahaha! in a way I got your point, but you are out of line when you said I have no respect with muslim? Now you are being judgemental and a paranoid the least. Mo label ka ug tao, based on what? Pls point out sa akong statement asa nko na wa gi respeto. Nor did I come to you aggressively, it is you who in return ranting on how I came "blustering"? Sorry that's not my style.. did you see any remarks? discriminatory even? Wla db?

wala kay ipa comment maski gamay sa akong gi cite? It does not mean ako silang gi cite it is less valid or no basis.. db? The way you approach sa kaning topic is like judgmental wala man gani ka ni hatag why we side and pursue to support the current draft sa BBL.

By all means professor, b, with your knowledge and educate us sa among ka ignorante.

Please dont use the saf44, they died alright, for the love of country? that maybe so.. but their death is not without Panot's and his minions fault which they tend to come clean, esp panot.

Again, pls do enlighten us. Why this BBL is a way to pave peace in Mindanao.. an agreement between MILF-Govt, how about the MNLF, BIFF, ASG?

in behalf sa mga against sa BBL diri.. explain how this BBL will help attain peace in Mindanao, this is the intent and purpose of it right?

[yhokz101]

did i say it? no, let us read understand the proposed measure, let us read and understand our constitution and use this as our yardstick using our God-given intellect to determine whether the proposed bangsamoro basic law is toeing the line of the Constitution, rather than take some people's opinion as gospel truth. why? have we not cognitive faculties?

We are keeping an open mind, I get you r point. But do we trust them? Now that's a different story. Intuition tells me they (moro rebels) cannot be trusted, esp the MILF after telling lies after lies even sa senate maski under oath pa. Reasoning tells me to be reasonable, but are they reasonable themselves? Look, read this one: “Until the peace agreement is fully implemented, we will remain to be a revolutionary organization,” even in the midst of negotiating? <-- does this sound reasonable to you? And let's not forget to mention how they brutally and overkill the SAF44, and yet they have the absurdity to call it mis-encounter? Cognitive faculties? for them? Keep telling that to yourself.

[Juan Martinez]

nosebleed ko ah.. hahaha! in a way I got your point, but you are out of line when you said I have no respect with muslim? Now you are being judgemental and a paranoid the least. Mo label ka ug tao, based on what? Pls point out sa akong statement asa nko na wa gi respeto. Nor did I come to you aggressively, it is you who in return ranting on how I came "blustering"? Sorry that's not my style.. did you see any remarks? discriminatory even? Wla db?

wala kay ipa comment maski gamay sa akong gi cite? It does not mean ako silang gi cite it is less valid or no basis.. db? The way you approach sa kaning topic is like judgmental wala man gani ka ni hatag why we side and pursue to support the current draft sa BBL.

By all means professor, b, with your knowledge and educate us sa among ka ignorante.

Please dont use the saf44, they died alright, for the love of country? that maybe so.. but their death is not without Panot's and his minions fault which they tend to come clean, esp panot.

Again, pls do enlighten us. Why this BBL is a way to pave peace in Mindanao.. an agreement between MILF-Govt, how about the MNLF, BIFF, ASG?

in behalf sa mga against sa BBL diri.. explain how this BBL will help attain peace in Mindanao, this is the intent and purpose of it right?

you read again your previous posts. your arguments are puerile, and even smack a dripping amount of bigotry. now, I won't engage with you anymore. every word you uttered here shows your ignorance, if not utter stupidity. by all indications, humility aside, you are way out of my league.

[Alramzz]

kutob sa nka basa sa BBL moslty from visayas or luzon and some from mindanao(but with hidden agenda), can certainly says that this law is the key for peace,. that is why the president is so sold out with it,. wala lang cla kabalo sa ila ka deal na mga tao,...

[yhokz101]

you read again your previous posts. your arguments are puerile, and even smack a dripping amount of bigotry. now, I won't engage with you anymore. every word you uttered here shows your ignorance, if not utter stupidity. by all indications, humility aside, you are way out of my league.

I can sense similar pattern here.. hahaha! Yup, you better go somewhere else since we can't level with your intellect.

Wow kulbaa manulti hahaha... istorya.net is not for you then. If you can't entertain maski simple arguments and simple asking for your opinion. Adto sa facebook kaw.. hahaha! daghan maayung laki ngadto.

IF YOU ARE REALLY THAT EDUCATED AND KNOWLEDGABLE, AND FOR YOUR LOVE OF YOUR COUNTRY. YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHARE YOURF RIGHTFUL INSIGHTS AND OPINIONS TO CORRECT THOSE WHO ARE GRIEVOUSLY MISGUIDED.

(yaw layas kay wa nay lingaw dri hahaha!)

Can't even handle some ignorant fools here in istorya.net.. aside from his insults and derogatory remarks. Superb!

[Juan Martinez]

I can sense similar pattern here.. hahaha! Yup, you better go somewhere else since we can't level with your intellect.

Wow kulbaa manulti hahaha... istorya.net is not for you then. If you can't entertain maski simple arguments and simple asking for your opinion. Adto sa facebook kaw.. hahaha! daghan maayung laki ngadto.

IF YOU ARE REALLY THAT EDUCATED AND KNOWLEDGABLE, AND FOR YOUR LOVE OF YOUR COUNTRY. YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHARE YOURF RIGHTFUL INSIGHTS AND OPINIONS TO CORRECT THOSE WHO ARE GRIEVOUSLY MISGUIDED.

(yaw layas kay wa nay lingaw dri hahaha!)

Can't even handle some ignorant fools here in istorya.net.. aside from his insults and derogatory remarks. Superb!

pity. you bury yourself deep in the dung.

[yhokz101]

pity. you bury yourself deep in the dung.

hahaah! ni balik man lage.. pssst! Defend your BBL and your people. cge na we're waiting..