Pornography: Moral? Immoral? Unethical? Ethical? Opinions please...

[misfit]

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Yes it does .... all the time na you think it is but against it makes no sense ...

against it makes no sense? hmm..Have we fully blindly convinced ourselves it makes no sense? Have we justified it completely na we don't feel guilty lusting on porn?

Na we don't feel shame anymore when we waste ourselves in porn? Nga wa na tay uwaw sa atong kaugalingon? And i haven't mentioned God pa in any of my replies. I'll leave the religion aspect to everybody.

Sad.

[misfit]

OK, let's assume nga some of us mauwaw(but don't generalized)........ well, kanang tawhana, im sure pagsugod ug panguyab niya sa iyang asawa/uyab, nauwaw sad na....first time nila ug ***, mauwaw sad na....... so why should porn be exempted sa mga kauwaw kung first time?

pagsugod panguyab, nauwaw kay e.g. dili nya sugton..
first time ug ***, nauwaw kay e.g. dili nya kahibaw...

nauwaw tungod sa porn...kay unsa? lahi nya iyang impression, malain nya, mahugawan nya. diba negative? ang pangutana kron nganong negative man jud. i'm being redundant.

[misfit]

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tubaga ko ug YES or NO ... havent you in ur lifetime watched or viewed ( lahi na ang ni TAN-AW sa NAKAKITA ) any form of PORN in movie or magazine in form ? UNsay paminaw nimo KASUKAON ka ?

since the question is particularly for me, here we go. Yes i have viewed porn, i wouldn't talk against it if i didn't cmon. I thought it goes without saying na. Kasukaon? naw exaggerated ra. but i felt shame. nauwaw ko sa akong kaugalingon. pero kung kadugayanon, maanad ra ko,i will justify it na ok ra . pero magpabilin jud nga sayop.

How about my wife asking me if she can fantasize RON JEREMY too ? DOnt jump to conclusions ... ug mo tubag ko niom na me and my wife are swingers ? Will it answer ur question ?

No it can't.Â* i didn't even expect u to answer something that personal. but it made u think, didn't it..and maybe ask ur wife too.

Now see whos attacking .... that SCENARIO was meant for everyone in general that u cant just do it . Gamay lage ko ug pikoy ... huhuhuhu ......

huh, asay attack ato?! i really want to foget this attack2x kono. Diversions.

asÂ* a person misfit, whatever makes me happy is none ofÂ* your dang business, wether i watch porn orÂ* not . and who are you to judge that people who watch porn are not good, it' doesn't mean that you are against it that makes youÂ* a good person or any better than them. how pathetic.Â*

it sure isn't my business. I didn't say people who watch porn are bad. u assumed i did.

tha fact isÂ* maski unsaon nimo pangugat diha, people make their own decisions,Â* that's reality and that's how it's gonna be .

of course that's how it's gonna be. balik na sad. it's not my intention to change anybody. but since this is a discussi..ah u know the drift.

day misfit, wa man gyud ka tubag sa akong posts uy, uwaw na noun ko nimo.... di ka ganahan makig-istorya ug amaw?

for everybody's peace of mind, dli ko motan.aw sa nick when i quote and reply. i don't keep track of who said what. and i guess some of us take offense kay sila ang nagsulti ato, and they feel they were attacked. nasad.

[lindsay]

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asÂ* a person misfit, whatever makes me happy is none ofÂ* your dang business, wether i watch porn orÂ* not . and who are you to judge that people who watch porn are not good, it' doesn't mean that you are against it that makes youÂ* a good person or any better than them. how pathetic.Â*

it sure isn't my business. I didn't say people who watch porn are bad. u assumed i did.

tha fact isÂ* maski unsaon nimo pangugat diha, people make their own decisions,Â* that's reality and that's how it's gonna be .

of course that's how it's gonna be. balik na sad. it's not my intention to change anybody. but since this is a discussi..ah u know the drift.

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if you are into it then that's your own discretion.Â* basta wala kay na argabyado ngaÂ* tawo.

good if wala. but as a person, will u feel good about urself? perhaps yes, if u've fully rationalized it and blindly convinced urself na its ok. pero it doesn't make u good, either.

sometimes, no, most of the times, people, including me, find ways to justify something para we can twist it and then so we won't feel guilty doing it.

take porn.. dili immoral ang porn kay i'm of the age and i can think for myself..then u go ahead and indulge. u convince urself and then sad thing, u try to convince other people sad! pero there will always be this inside feeling na u've done something wrong.

why is it na the first time u wanted to share ur porn materials with ur gf or wife na u respect so much, mauwaw ka? is it mauwaw ka nga malain iyang tan-aw nimo? na hugaw ka?

Now, these are questions to ponder.

asÂ* a person misfit, whatever makes me happy is none ofÂ* your dang business, wether i watch porn orÂ* not . and who are you to judge that people who watch porn are not good, it' doesn't mean that you are against it that makes youÂ* a good person or any better than them. how pathetic.Â*
tha fact isÂ* maski unsaon nimo pangugat diha, people make their own decisions,Â* that's reality and that's how it's gonna be . stood up for what you believe in, but for graciousÂ* sakes, have some common sense.Â* really. people's morals varies on different aspects. what is moral to you might not be moral for the others. you don't have to like it but you can respect it.
by the way, just to let you know that i'm not into porn.Â* do i think it is immoral, there's no doubt, if it's use without discretion.Â* do i think that people who buys it are immoral, none of my business.Â*

basaha ra god na imong previous posts dai/dong, malingaw man lang sad ta na nimo.Â* i am not an assuming person misfit andÂ* not judgementalÂ* either. common sense tawon gamita na.Â* kafaet ba.

[amaw]

OK, let's assume nga some of us mauwaw(but don't generalized)........ well, kanang tawhana, im sure pagsugod ug panguyab niya sa iyang asawa/uyab, nauwaw sad na....first time nila ug ***, mauwaw sad na....... so why should porn be exempted sa mga kauwaw kung first time?

pagsugod panguyab, nauwaw kay e.g. dili nya sugton..
first time ug ***, nauwaw kay e.g. dili nya kahibaw...

nauwaw tungod sa porn...kay unsa? lahi nya iyang impression, malain nya, mahugawan nya. diba negative? ang pangutana kron nganong negative man jud. i'm being redundant.

oooppppsss, naunsa na man ni day?
I think sakto si lindsay, common sense, I guess common sense nowadays is not common anymore.

.......negative nga reaction kung "lahi nya iyang impression" tungod kay bahin sa porn, unya ang mga rason nga:

nauwaw kay e.g. dili nya sugton..
nauwaw kay e.g. dili nya kahibaw...

kaning mga rasona dili negative? unsa na man ni day uy......

mau ganing mauwaw ang tawo, kay sa huna-huna niya negative ang resulta sa iyang himoon.......... mapa-porn man o dili,



c'mon, I thought you can think better than that.......... no personal offense intended of course.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

against it makes no sense? hmm..Have we fully blindly convinced ourselves it makes no sense? Have we justified it completely na we don't feel guilty lusting on porn?

Â* YES ..... I dont feel guilty when I lust on PORN ... it does not make u better than me or in that way u better than me in particular . Of course AGAINST it makes no sense kung nagpadayon gihapon ka utilize ana eventhough u knew its wrong to other people point of view .

Na we don't feel shame anymore when we waste ourselves in porn? Nga wa na tay uwaw sa atong kaugalingon? And i haven't mentioned God pa in any of my replies. I'll leave the religion aspect to everybody.

Â* You should tell that script to the THEIST people though I am one , it does not justify either because MORAL and ETHICS does not rely alone being religious .

since the question is particularly for me, here we go. Yes i have viewed porn, i wouldn't talk against it if i didn't cmon. I thought it goes without saying na. Kasukaon? naw exaggerated ra. but i felt shame. nauwaw ko sa akong kaugalingon. pero kung kadugayanon, maanad ra ko,i will justify it na ok ra . pero magpabilin jud nga sayop.

Â* Magpabilin na sayop para nimo but not maybe to the rest of the world . Ma sayop or dili , we are talking about the MORALS and ETHICS of the responsible people .

No it can't.Â* i didn't even expect u to answer something that personal. but it made u think, didn't it..and maybe ask ur wife too.

Â* LOLZ .... now misconceptions . How did you know its that personal ? Now I figured out already that u are still 5 steps behind of what we are discussing . What I said were mere scenarios that are REALISTIC ... meaning it can happen anytime and anywhere ..... BTW I dont have to ask my wife in particular , how about othe rmen ? Can they ask their wives too ? Dont single out .. speak to everyone because I am not the majority . Thats when GENERALIZING takes place properly .

huh, asay attack ato?! i really want to foget this attack2x kono. Diversions.

Hahahahaaaa...yesss, u can't go out NAKED. U just can't. Why? NOt really a good example, but something to think about.

Â* With the sarcastic laugh and the use of the word " YOU " should suffice ur inquiries . Like I said , you should speak to everbody and not to a single person .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Well i'm not talking about you getting a hooker, just the idea that hookers are there if you want them. So you don't mind if other people pay to sleep with prostitue? (just a question).

Â* Its not that I dont mind but its not my business . BTW .... walay relativity lage ang PORN sa COMMERCIAL *** WORKERS .

Even though there are some differences, there are some similarities such as women getting paid for ***(consensual ***). I mean that is basically why women get into pornography. And some hookers do get into the porn industry.

Â* Do you know what is a HOOKER ? Where did you get the 411 on some HOOKERS get into the porn industry ? I did not say its not or it is but I just want to know how did you know about it . You are right on the similarities on them being paid for *** .... but the fine line there is PORN STARS loved their jobs and HOOKERS dont for a starter .

i remember reading an article stating that U.S. porn industry still needs stricter guidlines. But you're right its safer in the U.S. than Afrca and the Middle East, and probably a lot more other countries too. I never said it was a breeding ground, just a problem.

Very true indeed or no matter where you are as long as ur irresponsible .

A porn star (Darren James) had AIDS several months ago and several women were infected with AIDS. Some California Authorities investigated it and discovered there is still a lot of work needed to protect the employees of the porn industry. So now some porn companies are requiring all scenes to be done with a condom.

Â* You have to consider that AIDS cannot be contracted from sexual intercourse only but to BODILY FLUIDS shared from infected people . 90% of porn actors and celebrities are drug dependents and shoots .

That's a good start, but I'm sure more can be done. I guess Vegas could be fun for the kids, I just remember walking outiside the strips and seeing the sidewalk littered with strip show business cards.

Responsible actions comes from responsible people . Of course naay pangutana mga anak , tubagon na sa ginikanan ug sakto while the kids are not yet capable of whats right or wrong . Bisan naa ra ka sa Cebu , its the matter of ur resources . BTW kana mga business call cards ... tinuod na ang mga models pictured but expensive , I can suggest a better place worth the time and money and feel like Hugh Heffner for a day hehehe .

i know i'm in the minority. I just feel that whole idea of having *** is a little bit hyped. Like you said before, Watching pornogography is ok as long as your responsible. But honestly, not everyone can handle that kind of responsibility. I'm more concerend about the porn industry and how they conduct their business than people watching pornography. Like n'gel said there are some benefits. I never denied that either. But you can't deny there are some negative affects. I just want the porn industry to practice a safer business and for people to be educated that porn is just fantasy and *** should be something you do with someone you care about

Â* You do have a point .... but it does not relate to MORAL and ETHICS in life towards PORNOGRAPHY anymore . It is about personal life na ang napadungan bai .

[Empress_Of_Drac]

@misfit

err i know what you feel...err i was like you before...i guess your opinions will change when you could personally work with this people behind your most hated pornography...coz I have...

[JoRed]

Definitely immoral. The unethical manifestation of a decadent society. Pls. read...

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/pornplag.html

[JoRed]

The Documented Effects of Pornography
11/90

In the September issue of The Forerunner (Vol. X, No. VI ), we examined the relationship between pornography and violent crime in an article entitled "Mass Murder and Pornography - Are They Related?"

Since the publication of the September issue, we have received a number of responses challenging the claim that pornography and violent crime are related. These responses implored us to use real, honest and acceptable facts in defending this position. As a follow up to the many questions generated by this article, we have decided to give a more complete overview of the research that has been done in this area.

The Effects of Pornography

Defenders of pornography argue that it is not harmful, and thus should not be regulated or banned. Citing the 1970 Presidential Commission on Obscenity and Pornography, they conclude that there is no relationship between exposure to erotic material and subsequent behavior. But two subsequent decades of research based on the increased production of more explicit and violent forms of pornography has shown the profound effects pornography can have on human behavior.

Psychologist Edward Donnerstein (University of Wisconsin) found that brief exposure to violent forms of pornography can lead to anti-social attitudes and behavior. Male viewers tend to be more aggressive towards women, less responsive to pain and suffering of rape victims, and more willing to accept various myths about rape.1

Dr. Dolf Zimmerman and Dr. Jennings Bryant showed that continued exposure to pornography had serious adverse effects on beliefs about sexuality in general and on attitudes toward women in particular. They also found that pornography desensitizes people to rape as a criminal offense.2

These researchers also found that massive exposure to pornography encourages a desire for increasingly deviant materials which involve violence, like sadomasochism and rape.3

Feminist author Diana Russell notes in her book Rape and Marriage the correlation between deviant behavior (including abuse) and pornography. She also found that pornography leads men and women to experience conflict, suffering, and sexual dissatisfaction.4

Researcher Victor Cline (University of Utah) has documented in his research how men become addicted to pornographic materials, begin to desire more explicit or deviant material, and end up acting out what they have seen.5

According to Charles Keating of Citizens for Decency Through Law, research reveals that 77 percent of child molesters of boys and 87 percent of child molesters of girls admitted imitating the sexual behavior they had seen modeled in pornography.

Sociologists Murray Straus and Larry Baron (University of New Hampshire) found that rape rates are highest in states which have high sales of *** magazines and lax enforcement of pornography laws.6

Michigan state police detective Darrell Pope found that of the 38,000 sexual assault cases in Michigan (1956-1979), in 41 percent of the cases pornographic material was viewed just prior to or during the crime. This agrees with research done by psychotherapist David Scott who found that "half the rapists studied used pornography to arouse themselves immediately prior to seeking out a victim."

The Final Report of the 1986 Attorney General's Commission on Pornography lists a full chapter of testimony (197-223) from victims whose assailants had previously viewed pornographic materials. The adverse effects range from physical harm (rape, torture, murder, sexually transmitted disease) to psychological harm (suicidal thoughts, fear, shame, nightmares).

The Facts on Pornography

A day-care director, now serving three years for three counts of first-degree sexual assault, confessed the he had "started picking up pornographic materials occasionally, going to bookstores ... no one knew, not even my wife ... now I do recognize fully the shocking facts about pornography and how it will draw you into its clutches away from God into sinful fantasies ..."

Multiplied incidents like the above graphically illustrate how the $8 billion-per-year porn industry has carved inroads into American life:

* Nearly 900 theaters show X-rated films and more than 15,000 "adult" bookstores and video stores offer pornographic material, outnumbering McDonald's restaurants in the U.S. by a margin of at least three to one.

* Each year, nearly 100 full-length pornographic films provide estimated annual box office sales of $50 million.

* Approximately 70% of the pornographic magazines sold eventually end up in the hands of minors.

* About 1.2 million children are annually exploited through child pornography and prostitution.7

God's Purpose in ***

The tragedy of *** apart from God's ideal standard was no more forcefully presented than by this young lady who testified in Chicago before the 1986 Commission on Pornography:

"I am a former Playboy Bunny ... I never questioned the morality of becoming a Playboy Bunny because the magazine was accepted at home. [During my time with Playboy] I experienced everything from date-rape to physical abuse to group *** and finally to fantasizing homosexuality as I read Playboy magazine.

"I was extremely suicidal and sought psychiatric help for the eight years I lived in a sexually promiscuous fashion. There was no help for me until I changed my lifestyle to be a follower of Jesus Christ and obeyed the biblical truths including no premarital ***."

The agony of this young lady - and others like her - could have been avoided through an understanding of and obedience to God's purposes in ***.

Pornography attacks the dignity of men and women created in the image of God.8 It also distorts God's gift of *** which should be shared only within the bounds of marriage.9 And it frequently promotes sexual perversion (rape, incest, sodomy, bondage, torture, pedophilia) which is condemned by God.

From a biblical perspective, sexual intercourse is exclusively reserved for marriage for the following purposes:

* First, it establishes the "one-flesh" union.10

* Second, it provides for sexual intimacy within the marriage bond. The use of the word "know" indicates a profound meaning of sexual intercourse.11

* Third, sexual intercourse is for the mutual pleasure of husband and wife.12

* Fourth, sexual intercourse is for procreation.13

The Bible also warns against the misuse of ***. Premarital and extramarital *** is condemned.14 Even thoughts of sexual immorality (often fed by pornographic material) are condemned.15 Various forms of sexual perversion are also condemned in the Bible.16

Contrary to popular opinion, the Christian lifestyle of purity and abstaining from premarital and extramarital *** is not repressive or legalistic. People who have adopted this standard of purity can testify to the liberating power that it has had in their lives. Sexual purity not only is a defense against sexually transmitted diseases such as AIDS, but it also can help to bring about stable and happy marriage and family relationships.

In hoping to live our lives according to biblical standards and obtain the happy benefits of this lifestyle, we must do two things. First, we must keep pure by fleeing immorality and thinking on those things which are pure.17 Second, we must work to remove this sexual perversion of pornography from society.

If you have any questions or comments about this subject, please contact us at The Forerunner, P.O. Box 4103, Gainesville, FL 32613

1 Pornography and Violence Against Women, 1980.
2 "Pornography, Sexual Callousness, and the Trivialization of Rape," Journal of Communication, 1982.
3 "The Effect of Erotica Featuring Sadomasochism and Bestiality of Motivated Inter-Male Aggressions," Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 1981. 4 Rape and Marriage, 1982.
5 "Where Do You Draw the Line?" 1974.
6 "Legitimate Violence and Rape: A Test of the Cultural Spillover Theory," 1985.
7 Henry Boatwright, Chairman of the U.S. Advisory Board of Social Concerns. 8 Genesis 1:27. 9 1 Corinthians 7:2-3.
10 Genesis 2:24-25; Matthew 19:4-6. 11 Genesis 4:1.
12 Proverbs 5:18-19. 13 Genesis 1:28.
14 1 Corinthians 6:13-18; 1 Thessalonians 4:3.
15 Matthew 5:27-28. 16 Leviticus 18:6,23; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
17 1 Corinthians 6:18; Philippians 4:8.