MERGED: Church Etiquette and Dress Code

[klavel]

it is better to observe proper dress decorum in church...for girls: just reserve those spaghetti straps and micro minis for the right occasion. i know it's been said that the main reason we go to church is to pray and meditate BUT so as to avoid the spiteful and ogling eyes of the public..stick to what is proper (and surely, we're old enough to know what are those).

[LytSlpr]

i personally respect, a person's sense of individuality but dapat ibutang sa lugar.

sa una, wa gyud ta diktahi sa simbahan unsa'y sul-obon kung mo simba pero gi abuso man sa kadaghanan ang uban ni gara sad. and if i am not mistaken the catholic church is the last religion to even give a directive. mao na daghan kaayo abusado na katoliko kay sobra ra kaayo ta ka free.

as for the "dress code" directive, mao na ila gyud gi-specific because unfortunately most filipinos do not know what is decent, proper or best. for example, in weddings naa sa invitation formal attire only pero naa gyud mag casual pero para niya formal na to. kung para sa ginoo, wear your best gyud or what is proper in social norms, not by your own personal definition and understanding of the word.

tinuod ang ginoo walay gi-pili bisan unsa pa imong gisul-ob or wa ba kay gisul-ob, pero sa simbahan di ra ang ginoo imong kuyog kung dili na'ay lain tawo and dressing inappropriately exposes them to temptation or unnecessary evil.

mao na'y gi-ingon kung di ta gusto trataron mura'g bata, di sad ta magbinata.

[diem]

what i am against of is the implementation of the dress code itself because it takes away our freedom of choice somewhat.

When one belongs to a church, one belongs to a community of people. I believe that for a community to exist and function as a whole, rules and guidelines are required and set to ensure that every individual in the community acts out accordingly in the best interests of the entire community.

So basically I feel that there is no such "freedom", that's like "anything goes", "do what you want as long as you don't hurt anybody" if one decides to commit oneself to a community like a church. And isn't it always been said that to live one's life with God as its center, one should surrender one's will to God's will? Is there "freedom of choice" after such a commitment?

Anyway all I am trying to say that this is like any relationship, it's about give and take. There must be sacrifices and compromises for the good of the whole. All have to abide, to act in accord. Because that's what communities and churches are all about: accord, harmony~ all the pieces must fit together.

I feel that the proponents of this dress code hopes that this is for the best of the church community in order for that everyone, EVERY ONE, can focus on worship and not what fashion their neighbor is wearing.

[chad_tukes]

When one belongs to a church, one belongs to a community of people. I believe that for a community to exist and function as a whole, rules and guidelines are required and set to ensure that every individual in the community acts out accordingly in the best interests of the entire community.

pero unsa man gyud ang gitawag nga "dress code" sa simbahan brad? is it like you can't wear t-shirts and jeans when you go to church? and do you really think once this will be implemented, all of the people that belongs to the "community" would be able to follow this kind of rule? come on, let's be realistic here.

and yes, i understand the essence of "community" but in order for a community to EFFECTIVELY follow a certain regulation, it should be realistic enough for the regulation to be effective especially when its members are over a BILLION.

And isn't it always been said that to live one's life with God as its center, one should surrender one's will to God's will? Is there "freedom of choice" after such a commitment?

you have to commit yourself to the will of GOD, not the will or law made by MAN; there's a difference.

I feel that the proponents of this dress code hopes that this is for the best of the church community in order for that everyone, EVERY ONE, can focus on worship and not what fashion their neighbor is wearing.

again, don't get me wrong because in all honesty, i hate people wearing sexy clothes during mass. just don't make it a rule, that's all.

[taga_ipil]

Okay raman unta kung mosuot ka ug mga pakita nindot ug sexy na outfit, kaso
tungod sa mga nakita nato sa tv(XXX) mao nang ang atong huna2x grabe mo
create ug image mao makawala ug focus sa aha dapat ibutang atong attention.
but that's the free will ug ghatag na sa atoa kaso lang atong g-abusohan.

mao butar ko ani.

kay bisag pag-unsa ka, ka relihiyoso basta kita na gani ka ug backless, ug kanang clevege2x diha
pilay pustahan kana imo huna2x di na mahimutang
ug mo lihok nang di dapat mo lihok

kani man sab gong mga tawo, ganahan man gud magpa-pansin sa ilang gsuot.
feeling pa-impress basta mo sud sa simbahan. kay kung tarong pa ug huna2x nang babaye(kay mao raman mo suot ug sexy)
kabalo na sila dapat unsa ila suton... kunga tarung ba nang clevege2x ug backless or see-thru.

okay raman liberated or pa-sexy basta ibutang lang sa lugar.

hinuon naa raman na sa tawo(basig maka-ingon mo) pero dapat ibagay ninyo ang inyong gsuot sa lugar na inyo adtoan.

okay raman na magt-shirt or any clothes, basta common sense nalang na ninyo na dapat jud itago
ang part na maka-capture ug attention(you know unsa akong pasabot)

basta inyo lang timan-an, wala na sa unsay gsuot or unsa inyong relihiyon, ang importante tarung ka na pagkatawo
ug di ka mo panamastawas sa imo isig katawo.

[akosabni]

walay problema ang Ginoo kong naay o walay dress code sa simbahan, 'coz God can see whats in our heart

ang dress code para sa mga tao, 'coz we can't see what's inside the persons heart, it would be better if people dress decently, para less ang temptations

i think education or proper guidance is sufficient, if we want decency inside the church

[Gwynhuever]

you have to commit yourself to the will of GOD, not the will or law made by MAN; there's a difference.

exactly...spirit of the law....or letter of the law....

anyway before ko mo padayon sa ako opinions sad...puede mangutana unsa jud ang dress code nga gipatuman? kay ang ako sabot ang sexy , "indecent" attire ra man ang gi prohibit...naa pay additional ani? like ang mga babae mag sayal or bistida jud etc etc....then dili puede mag maong? sakto ba ko?

[rudjard]

sa manila ramn nuon ni nga order wai labot ang ubang parte sa nasud... parehas ba atong implementation sa bag.ong wedding do's and dont's sa cebu diocease ra.

Ladies should wear: Men should wear:
1. no miniskirts - no above the knee 1. no short (labi nang pang basketball)
2. no showing of T-backs sa likod (ambot kng naa bai sa atubangan ani) 2. polo (short or longsleeves)
3. dress must have sleeves (dlimakita ang ilokan) 3. shoes no sandals/slippers
4. shoes no sandals/slippers
5. no ma-ung pants
6. no underware visible (refering to wearing pants)

murag mao rani akong nahinumduman

[diem]

and yes, i understand the essence of "community" but in order for a community to EFFECTIVELY follow a certain regulation, it should be realistic enough for the regulation to be effective especially when its members are over a BILLION.

Then try to understand that though it's easier said than done, IT CAN BE DONE. Let's be realistic? Miracles are known to happen, why can't this? Is this too impossible to happen? Do you believe that this is beyond the ability of people?

A billion members, wow yes. But these are divided into dioceses, parishes where there is some measure of self-government. This is what is I feel really is all about, the ability of self-government for the greater good. Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists have a dress code for their mosques and temples. The Iglesia ni Cristo, the Seventh Day Adventists are known to have dress codes during their times of worship, why can't the Philippine Roman Catholic Church?

you have to commit yourself to the will of GOD, not the will or law made by MAN; there's a difference.

So am I understand that you do not trust your church's leaders to be mediators of God's will?

again, don't get me wrong because in all honesty, i hate people wearing sexy clothes during mass. just don't make it a rule, that's all.

Make it a rule, don't make it rule it's really all moot because as indicated in the first post, the Cardinal says that the Church has no police power to implement such a rule. They're just placing to make it official. It's just like the Ten Commandments, generally everybody has an idea that these are meant to be obeyed but are these followed to the letter? Are these commandments strictly implemented? Aw come on let's be realistic.

Personally, I am not concerned about this dress code becoming a rule and I feel neither should you brad chad_tukes, because I find you to be a sensible and careful person, so this code does not necessarily applies to you because you take it upon yourself to be responsible and to be considerate of others in communing together for worship.

But can we certainly say the same of others? That, I am not confident.

All in all, I do hope that the dress code will be in placed, I know it will not be strictly enforced by the Church here in the Philippines and their parishes (because they are really lenient, lax and so forgiving) but let it just be a stern reminder, that we should all strive better~ even in the smallest of ways.

It's just really a sign of respect to the Church's leaders whom we believe to want what's best for their flock, and basically to each other as people belong to a church. A church is a special place and must be treated as such, and people's behavior should be different from elsewhere. Besides the dress code is only imposed in church during worship, why can we not at least try to give that?

[Ms.Beau]

sa manila ramn nuon ni nga order wai labot ang ubang parte sa nasud... parehas ba atong implementation sa bag.ong wedding do's and dont's sa cebu diocease ra.

Ladies should wear: Men should wear:
1. no miniskirts - no above the knee 1. no short (labi nang pang basketball)
2. no showing of T-backs sa likod (ambot kng naa bai sa atubangan ani) 2. polo (short or longsleeves)
3. dress must have sleeves (dlimakita ang ilokan) 3. shoes no sandals/slippers
4. shoes no sandals/slippers
5. no ma-ung pants
6. no underware visible (refering to wearing pants)

murag mao rani akong nahinumduman

what's wrong with maong pants? with sandals and slippers? oh c'mon

sometimes church leaders forget to be seeker sensitive. we are all familiar with the Purpose Driven Life, aren't we? The secret to Rick Warren's growing church is its sensitivity to people's needs. when he started his church he decided he'd be wearing polo and shorts as most of the people in the area were. now any seeker-sensitive priest or pastor would consider the philippine's climate. it's either hot or rainy here. we'd be more comfortable wearing slippers or sandals than closed shoes or boots. sleeveless shirts and shorts are a relief unless our churches were airconditioned. and do we see more people in slacks than in maong? murag walay pilipino nga walay maong.

dress codes seem to divert people's attention away from the real issue: IS THE CHURCH RELEVANT? do people go there to worship God and grow spiritually ? do MORE people attend mass perfunctorily? would the dress code really matter if we know that the same people who dress "properly" in church dress "lewdly" somewhere else?

if God resides in churches, let's put the dress code in place. but if God resides in people's hearts, let's work on that. mao unta nay kabisihan sa simbahan, ang mga real issues, not the religiously superficial ones.