Loose Change 2nd Edition - 9/11 Conspiracy Documentary

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@Springy: before there was loose change or fahrenheit 911, there were already many websites where those two films actually got most of their material from... the first to come up with "conspiracy" theories, if im not mistaken, were the french...

Exactly !! So are the contents of the F 9/11 and LOSSE CHANGE were based from , was that AUTHOR of a book who is a FRENCH is what you are talking about that I mentioned long time ago ?

The fact that there are so many unanswered questions means that there are answers out there that are waiting to be discovered... As they say, where there's SMOKE, there's FIRE... and there's a helluva lotta smoke...

Exactly !! But the point is , the smoke came from WEED hehehe and we all got high .... lain na akong gipasabot bai ha hehe ... CONSIPRACY THEORIST makes something to look that is not supposed to be . They can even say FIRE is cold and we would believe in that maybe for the next half century .

As ive said also bai... there are ANSWERS already for the QUESTIONS but I cant answer them myself . Di ba nagpatabang man ko nimo ? Hehehe ...

[ryan]

at first i thought all these conspiracy theories were just a load of bull, but after seeing loose change and the doco 911:in plane site, and others, sure does make u think...

[omad]

here's the cover story taken from Time Magazine's September 11, 2006 Vol. 168 No. 11 issue tackling "What We Lost", 5 years after 9/11 :
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From the Magazine | Cover
Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away
Turns out, we need grand theories to make sense of grand events, or the world just seems too random
By LEV GROSSMAN

Posted Sunday, Sep. 3, 2006
Take a look, if you can stand it, at video footage of the World Trade Center collapsing. Your eye will naturally jump to the top of the screen, where huge fountains of dark debris erupt out of the falling towers. But fight your natural instincts. Look farther down, at the stories that haven't collapsed yet.

In almost every clip you'll see little puffs of dust spurting out from the sides of the towers. There are two competing explanations for these puffs of dust: 1) the force of the collapsing upper floors raised the air pressure in the lower ones so dramatically that it actually blew out the windows. And 2) the towers did not collapse from the impact of two Boeing 767s and the ensuing fires. They were destroyed in a planned, controlled demolition. The dust puffs you see on film are the detonations of explosives planted there before the attacks.

People who believe the second explanation live in a very different world from those who believe the first. In world No. 2, al-Qaeda is not responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center. The U.S. government is. The Pentagon was not hit by a commercial jet; it was hit by a cruise missile. United Flight 93 did not crash after its occupants rushed the cockpit; it was deliberately taken down by a U.S. Air Force fighter. The entire catastrophe was planned and executed by federal officials in order to provide the U.S. with a pretext for going to war in the Middle East and, by extension, as a means of consolidating and extending the power of the Bush Administration.

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

Although the 9/11 Truth Movement, as many conspiracy believers refer to their passion, has been largely ignored by the mainstream media, it is flourishing on the Internet. One of the most popular conspiracy videos online is Loose Change, a 90-min. blizzard of statistics, photographs, documents, eyewitness accounts and expert testimony set to a trippy hip-hop backbeat. It's designed to pick apart, point by point, the conventional narrative of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001.

For all its amateur production values--it was created by a pair of industrious twentysomethings using a laptop, pizza money and footage scavenged from the Internet--Loose Change is a compelling experience. Take the section about the attack on the Pentagon. As the film points out--and this is a tent-pole issue among 9/11 conspiracists--the crash site doesn't look right. There's not enough damage. The hole smashed in the Pentagon's outer wall was 75 ft. wide, but a Boeing 757 has a 124-ft. wingspan. Why wasn't the hole wider? Why does it look so neat?

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with regards to the twin towers, I'm leaning more towards the first explanation which is "the force of the collapsing upper floors raised the air pressure in the lower ones so dramatically that it actually blew out the windows" since after the plane hit the tower, the building had a gaping hole which would mean it's structurally unstable/compromised. but with regards to the Pentagon attack, I still have a lot of questions.. same ones as the authors of Loose Change presented. but something tells me, we may never know the real story behind it all..

[omad]

here's the conclusion of the same article "Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away" and please take note of the link where NIST published a fact sheet responding to "some" of the conspiracy theorists' ideas on it's website:
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But there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses. (For what it's worth, the National Institute of Standards and Technology has published a fact sheet responding to some of the conspiracy theorists' ideas on its website, www.nist.gov. The theories prompt small, reasonable questions that demand answers that are just too large and unreasonable to swallow. Granted, the Pentagon crash site looks odd in photographs. But if the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, then what happened to American Airlines Flight 77? Where did all the real, documented people on it go? Assassinated? Relocated? What about eyewitnesses who saw a plane, not a missile? And what are the chances that an operation of such size--it would surely have involved hundreds of military and civilian personnel--could be carried out without a single leak? Without leaving behind a single piece of evidence hard enough to stand up to scrutiny in a court? People, the feds just aren't that slick. Nobody is.

There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. "We tend to associate major events--a President or princess dying--with major causes," says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. "If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us." In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting.

You would have thought the age of conspiracy theories might have declined with the rise of digital media. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy was a private, intimate affair compared with the attack on the World Trade Center, which was witnessed by millions of bystanders and television viewers and documented by hundreds of Zapruders. You would think there was enough footage and enough forensics to get us past the grassy knoll and the magic bullet, to create a consensus reality, a single version of the truth, a single world we can all live in together.

But there is no event so plain and clear that a determined human being can't find ambiguity in it. And as divisive as they are, conspiracy theories are part of the process by which Americans deal with traumatic public events like Sept. 11. Conspiracy theories form around them like scar tissue. In a curious way, they're an American form of national mourning. They'll be with us as long as we fear lone gunmen, and feel the pain of losses like the one we suffered on Sept. 11, and as long as the past, even the immediate past, is ultimately unknowable. That is to say, forever.

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knowing both sides of the story doesn't really hurt. it actually help us find answers to most of our questions regarding the events that transpired 5 years ago. but the thing is... some questions will be left unanswered.. and that's a fact.

[weedmeister2]

Granted, the Pentagon crash site looks odd in photographs. But if the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, then what happened to American Airlines Flight 77? Where did all the real, documented people on it go? Assassinated? Relocated? What about eyewitnesses who saw a plane, not a missile? And what are the chances that an operation of such size--it would surely have involved hundreds of military and civilian personnel--could be carried out without a single leak? Without leaving behind a single piece of evidence hard enough to stand up to scrutiny in a court? People, the feds just aren't that slick. Nobody is.

Hmmm, this guy doesnt seem to know that his government HAS a lot of secrets.... Or he is just told to ignore them... Didn/t he think it was posible to house those passengers in any of these:



U.S. Underground Military Facilities . . .


ALASKA

1. Brooks Range, Alaska


2. Delta Junction, Alaska


2a. Fort Greeley, Alaska
In the same Delta Junction area


ARIZONA

1. Arizona (Mountains)
Function: Genetic work.
Multiple levels

2. Fort Huachuca, Arizona (also reported detainment camp)
Function: NSA Facility
Notes: (I lost the name of who sent me this..let me know..)
"Having spent the better part of my life there I can assure you of only one thing, it is THE communications command central for the entire US Army (and rumored to be for the entire US forces) No phone call, two way radio transmission, satellite transmission, fax, etc., within the Army goes undocumented and un "cleared" by this facility. It is VERY high on the "first to be hit in a nuclear war" list, (as supposedly most communications with the Army are actually routed though there) thus all the missile silos that were (not really) deactivated around Tucson, some 75 miles to the NW".

"As for any underground activity, I have no idea, but I do know this, they also do "radar testing" there. They put "planes" on a tower and fire a radar at them to "get a reading"(?) from a HUGE (I'd say 10 story) microwave radar dish. (it was visible from the highway several miles away). The whole facility sat out in the middle of a several hundred (or possibly thousands) acre field, oddly devoid of most all naturally occurring groundcover, bushes and trees for the area except for wild grass, and even that was very seldom green. HMMMM. My Dad used to work the crane lifting these "planes" onto the tower, a duty they only allowed each person to do for a few weeks and then only one or two rotations in a lifetime - can you say radioactive sickness? By the way, he recently went though his THIRD fight with cancer in 8 years). He had to have the highest level clearance ever given to any civilian in his branch of the civil service. He said many times these "planes" were under tarps, (which were never lifted while he was present) and didn't have any shape he recognized as an airplane at all, but when they did put an actual plane up there, they were usually older and even many times, out of service models. Now why would they need radar info on those? Can you say smokescreen?
I was constantly amazed how many times my friends and I would go out 4-wheeling MILES in the opposite direction of the Fort, and would run into locked gates with "No Entrance, Govt Property" signs on them! Needless to say, the Govt owned much of the land around the Sierra Vista/Ft Huachuca area.
Just thought you'd like to know."

3. Luke Air Force Base

4. Munds Park, Arizona highway rest stop (reported by Dumpgoddess. Verified by Sid and also Becky, who says she was almost arrested asking what the hell they were doing there when they were building this thing)

Dumpgoddess told me she used to work at a highway rest area known as Munds Park. One day some military trucks and men pulled in and pretty much said OK, thanks for working here, we're closing the place, Buh-bye!" They spent years expanding the site and then left. The rest stop is still closed to any traffic and the entrance and exit road to it from the highway have been ripped up. Another person I know in that area said there are unmarked military trucks and vehicles parked in the back now and the place "is huge" compared to what it was, and looks quite deserted in spite of the construction.

"I live 20 miles out of Flagstaff AZ. .There is a rest area 1/2 mile away. When the government was building this rest area it took almost 3 1/2yrs to complete, and there were tall fences with dark canvas-like tarps all the way around the area so no one could see what was going on .There were also big army looking trucks pulling in and out all night, every night. Everyone in Munds Park could hear them coming and going. Now the govt. is closing the rest area for good. I'm told the fences will be put back up. I would bet my life on the fact that there is something under this rest area. You see I worked at Christensen (name of rest area) up untill a week ago.

5. Page, Arizona
Tunnels to: Area 51, Nevada Dulce base, New Mexico

6. Sedona, Arizona (also reported detainment camp)
Notes: Located under the Enchantment Resort in Boynton Canyon. There have been many reports by people in recent years of "increased military presence and activity" in the area. A local resident, Deana, told me her and her husband are thinking of moving because it's gotten so intrusive. Sedona is felt to be a very spiritual area and was (is) a cultural and holy area for Native Americans and is stunningly gorgeous.

7. Wikieup, Arizona
Tunnels to: Area 51

8. Yucca (Mtns.), Arizona


CALIFORNIA

1: 29 Palms, California
Tunnels to: Chocolate Mts., Fort Irwin, California (possibly one more site due west a few miles)


2: Benicia, California

3. Catalina Island, California
Tunnels to: I was told by someone who worked at the Port Hueneme Naval Weapons Division Base in Oxnard that they have heard and it is 'common rumor' that there is a tunnel from the base to this Island, and also to Edwards Air Force Base, possibly utilizing old mines. .

4. China Lake Naval Weapons Testing Center

5. Chocolate Mountains, California
Tunnels to: Fort Irwin, California

6. Death Valley,California
Function: The entrance to the Death Valley Tunnel is in the Panamint Mountains down on the lower edge of the range near Wingate Pass, in the bottom of an abandoned mine shaft. The bottom of the shaft opens into an extensive tunnel system

7. Deep Springs, California
Tunnels to: Death Valley, Mercury, NV, Salt Lake City


8. Edwards AFB, California
Function: Aircraft Development - antigravity research and vehicle development
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Catalina Island Fort Irwin, California Vandenburg AFB, California
Notes: Delta Hanger - North Base, Edwards AFB, Ca. Haystack Buttte - Edwards, AFB, Ca.

9. Fort Irwin, California (also reported detainment camp)
Tunnels to: 29 Palms, California Area 51, Nevada Edwards AFB. California Mt. Shasta, California

10. Helendale, California
Function: Special Aircraft Facility
Helendale has an extensive railway/shipping system through it from the Union Pacific days which runs in
from Salt Lake City, Denver, Omaha, Los Angeles and Chicago

11. Lancaster, California
Function: New Aircraft design, anti-gravity engineering, Stealth craft and testing
Levels: 42
Tunnels To: Edwards A.F.B., Palmdale

12. Lawrence-Livermore International Labs, California
The lab has a Human Genome Mapping project on chromosome #19
and a newly built $1.2 billion laser facility

13. Moreno Valley, California
Function unknown

14. Mt. Lassen, California
Tunnels to: Probably connects to the Mt. Shasta main tunnel.


15. Mt. Shasta
Function: Genetic experiments, magnetic advance, space and beam weaponry.
Levels: 5
Tunnels to: Ft. Irwin, California North (maybe to Klamath Falls or Crater Lake, or both.)

16. Napa, California
Functions: Direct Satellite Communications, Laser Communications. Continuation of Government site.
Levels: Multi-level
Tunnels to: Unknown
Notes: Located on Oakville Grade, Napa County, Ca. 87 Acres

17. Needles, California
Function unknown

18. Palmdale, California
Function: New Aircraft Design, anit-gravity research

19. Tehachapi Facility (Northrop, California - Tejon Ranch)
Function: Levels: 42
Tunnels to: Edwards, Llona and other local areas
Notes: 25 miles NW of Lancaster California, in the Tehachapi mountains.

20. Ukiah, California
Function unknown

COLORADO

1. Near Boulder, Co. in the mountains
Function unknown

2. Cheyenne Mountain -Norad -Colorado Springs, Colorado
Function: Early Warning systems - missile defense systems - Space tracking
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Colorado Springs,
Function: Early warning systems, military strategy, satellite operations
Levels: Multiple
NORAD is a massive self-sustaining 'city' built inside the mountain
Tunnels to: Creede, Denver, Dulce Base, Kinsley

3. Creede, Colorado
Function unknown
Tunnels to: Colorado Springs, Colorado - Delta, Colorado - Dulce Base, New Mexico

4. Delta, Colorado
Function unknown
Tunnels to: Creede Salt Lake, Utah

5. Denver International Airport (also a detainment camp)
Function: Military research, construction, detainment camp facilities
Levels: 7 reported
Tunnels to: Denver proper, Colorado and Rocky Mountain "safehousing", Colorado Springs, Colorado (Cheyenne Mtn.), Riverton, Wyoming Notes: Constructed in 1995, the government and politicians were hell bent on building this airport in spite of it ending up vastly overbudget. Charges of corruption, constant construction company changes, and mass firings of teams once they had built a section of their work was reported so that no "one" group had any idea what the blueprint of the airport was. Not only did locals not want this airport built nor was it needed, but everything was done to make sure it was, period. Masonic symbols and bizarre artwork of dead babies, burning cities and women in coffins comprise an extensive mural as well as a time capsule - none of which is featured in the airport's web site section detailing the unique artwork throughout the building. DIA is reported to serve as a cover for the vast underground facilities that were built there. There are reports of electronic/magnetic vibrations which make some people sick and cause headaches in others. There are acres of fenced-in areas which have barbed wire pointing into the area as if to keep things in, and small concrete stacks that resemble mini-cooling towers rise out of the acres of nowhere to apparently vent underground levels.



6. Falcon Air Force Base, Falcon, Colorado
Function: SDI, Satellite Control
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Colorado Springs, possibly more.

7. Fort Collins, Colorado
Function: Suspect high precision equipment manufacturing for space.

8. Grand Mesa, Colorado
Function unknown

9. Gore Range Near Lake, west of Denver, Co.
Function: Library and Central Data Bank

10. San Juan Valley, Colorado
Hidden beneath and in an operating Buffalo Ranch
Function unknown

11. Telluride, Colorado
Function unknown

12. University of Denver, Co (Boulder area)
Function: Genetics, geology/mining as related to tunneling and underground construction.

13. Warden Valley West of Fort Collins, CO
Function Unknown
Tunnels to: Montana


GEORGIA

Dobbins Air Force Base, Marrietta GA
Function: test site for plasma and antigravity air craft, experimental crafts and weapons

INDIANA

Kokomo, Indiana
Function Unknown
Notes: for years people in that area have reported a "hum" that has been so constant that some have been forced to move and it has made many others sick. It seems to come from underground, and "research" has turned up nothing although it was suggested by someone that massive underground tunneling and excavating is going on, using naturally occurring caverns, to make an underground containment or storage facility.


KANSAS

1. Hutchinson, Kansas
Function unknown
Tunnels to: Kinsley, Nebraska

2. Kansas City, Kansas
Function unknown
Notes: Entrance near Worlds of Fun

3. Kinsley, Kansas
Function unknown
Tunnels to: Colorado Springs, Colorado; Hutchinson, Kansas; Tulsa Kokoweef Peak, SW California
Notes: Gold stored in huge cavern, blasted shut. Known as the "midway city" because it's located halfway between New York and San Francisco


MARYLAND

Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland (from Don)
Martins AFB, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland

Don wrote: I was just looking at your satellite photo of the chem trails over the East Coast (Maryland in particular), and I noticed a strange coincidence. I'm from Maryland and I noticed that the two streaks over the state seem to run next to major military installations. The more eastern of the two runs over Aberdeen Proving Ground, Edgewood Arsenal, and Martins AFB. The more western of the two runs near Ft. Meade. Aberdeen Proving Ground and Edgewood Arsenal seem to have a lot of strange or peculiar things about them as well. I live near both and often can hear the weapons testing. I know for a fact that there are large storages of chemical weapons at Edgewood. In high school, we had to do pressurization drills once a month where the entire school would pile into the gym and we would seal the gym and pressurize it to keep the gas out. There are sirens all over the community they test once a week (every Wed. at 4) that are to alert of potential chemical weapons leaks. There is constant military air traffic all over the area, and chemtrails are a regular occurrence (until I was about 18, I thought it was normal for contrails to stay for at least 6 hours!). These two bases are always heavily guarded and secured, even before 9/11. One of my friend's dad is an army chemist out there, and he is not allowed to even discuss what he does. The only way I knew that he was a chemist was because he is a doctor and the insignia on his uniform is from the chemical corps. He is very secretive and often disappears late at night to go to work, apparently at a moment's notice . Aberdeen Proving Grounds is the United States' largest military testing facility, and Edgewood Arsenal is it's largest store of arms. I could fill a book with the peculiarities of these two installations.


MONTANA

Bozeman, Mont.
Function: Genetics

[weedmeister2]

Cont'd...


NEVADA

Area 51 - Groom Lake - Dreamland - Nellis Air Force Base
Area 51 was said to exist only in our imaginations until Russian satellite photos were leaked to US sources and it's amazing how you can get photos all over now of it, and even posters. It's also amazing how much they've been busy little bees building this base up.

Function: Stealth and cloaking Aircraft research & development
"'Dreamland (Data Repository Establishment and Maintenance Land)
Elmint (Electromagnetic Intelligence), Biological weapons research and genetic manipulation/warfare storage, Cold Empire, EVA, Program HIS (Hybrid Intelligence System),BW/CW; IRIS (Infrared Intruder Systems), BI-PASS, REP-TILES,
back engineering of captured space craft propulsion systems.
Security: Above ground cameras, underground pressure sensors, ground and air patrol
Notes: Operating rooms on several floors, - Complete hospital, fully staffed and has everything imaginable. - The person who gave this info worked as a locksmith in Area 51 for 12 years. He did not see any creatures while on any of the levels, but admits that there were many closed areas that he was not allowed into and he talked to others who said they had seen either actual captured UFOs or own own UFOs and that some thought they had been given freely in an exchange program as it wasn't possible so many UFOs could n't have crashed and been recovered in such pristine condition.
Tunnels to: Ft. Irwin, California - Page, Arizona - Tonopah, Nevada - Wiciup, Arizona
S-4 Area in Area 51 Function unknown
The Air Force recently managed to withdraw 3,972 acres of public land from the surrounding desert and absorbed it into the Groom Lake area, making it prohibited to civilians and under military protection. This was in answer to the (government's) endless battle to keep people from sitting on a ridge that was 10 miles away with telescopic lenses "spying" on the goings-on of the Area and trying to see what all the massive paranoia was about. Double Dog dares, you know....
Also, a bit bizarrely for a place where "nothing is going on", after the New York 9-11 attack, President Bush the Second issued a statement that would exempt this installation "from any Federal, State, Interstate, Local or hazardous waste laws that might require the disclosure of calcified information concerning that operating location to unauthorized persons...information concerning activities at the operating location near Groom Lake have been properly determined to be classified and disclosure would be harmful to national security. Continued protection of this information is in the paramount interest of the United States".


2. Blue Diamond, Nevada
Function unknown

3. Fallon Air Force Base area (the flats, near Reno)
"American City"
restricted military sites southwest of Fallon
Levels: At least seven underground levels

4. Henderson, Nevada - Naval Base
This one's interesting. I was in Henderson on May 3-4, 1988 on one of my Death Valley/Ghost Town/Photography/Screw the World jaunts. (I love Death Valley). I remembered it vividly because I just got tired of driving and happened to turn off for the night and there I was in Henderson. It was a sleepy, dusty town. I ended up in this strange hotel that seemed like part of an old 1940s horror movie, run by the nicest people you'd want to meet. I love stuff like that. They were so surprized to see a visitor they gave me the room for a few bucks. The next morning (May 4) I left and was about two hours from town, trying to get anything on the radio but static, when I heard a news report that there had been a terrible accident in Henderson and the "marshmallow factory" had blown up, killing several people and causing a massive fire. I couldn't believe it...I was just there! I just missed it. If I had been my usual Never In A Hurry self, I'd still be there. I saw the smoke not too long after, still driving; Henderson burning hours away.
Then I heard that what had in fact blown up was a government chemical/bomb plant. I was stunned. This sleepy little dusty town had a bomb plant? Huh? I couldn't find a thing online about the original lie that it was a marshmallow plant. I KNOW they said that - in fact I had called home a few hours after this happened to let them know I was OK because I had called the night before and they knew I's stayed there. I asked them, now - if they remembered me calling and this story? and they did. It made no sense at all to me. What also doesn't make sense is how 4,500 tons of ammonium perchlorate can be in the middle of a town and now it's surrounded by homes. In May, 1991 a huge release of chlorine occurred in Henderson - are we that expendable?

Brian sent me this:
".... Do you know anything about a NAVAL base out in the middle of the Nevada desert? I want to say Hawthorn, or Henderson, or something like that? About half way between LV and Reno. I was up that way a couple years ago helping out with tech inspection for <a popular auto race out there> while making the drive from Vegas to Reno, out in the middle of nowhere, is this damn NAVAL base! Wow, that's strange I think, so I go though the little town of the same name, and then I see a HUGE lake, also "in the middle of nowhere" and not really looking developed for "public use". What really weird is that the entire lake looks as if it could be only a few feet deep, VERY slightly angled shores (no steep inclines, like a boat ramp, except from the cliffs of the mountain it sits against) and actually could almost pass for simply a rain or run off"pond" if its acreage wasn't so big. Yet, out in the middle of this "shallow" lake (starting at the shore of the shallowest looking end), is an almost perfectly straight, dead centered, dead calm "strip" of water (you now the "still waters run deep" expression, its true). Coincidentally enough, this entire end of the lake (about 80% of the lake in fact) is posted,,,yep, you guessed it,, "OFF LIMITS" with the familiar red and white govt issue signs.
Well, the guy that was riding with me to Reno grew up in the Vegas area, and says the rumor is that the Naval base designs/builds super secret submarines, and the "trench" at the end of the lake is in fact the opening of a long underground water tunnel leading back to the base, so they can test the subs in the lake, and "supposedly" this is the deepest lake in the US, or maybe the world".


4. Mercury, Nevada
Function unknown

5. Tonopah, Nevada
Function unknown

6: San Gabriel (mountains) On Western side of Mojave Desert
Function unknown
Notes: Heavy vibrations coming from under the forest floor which sounds like geared machinery. These vibrations and sounds are the same as heard in Kokomo, Indiana and are suspected underground building/tunneling operations.


NEW MEXICO

1. Albuquerque, New Mexico (AFB)
Function unknown
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Carlsbad, New Mexico Los Alamos, New Mexico Possible connections to Datil, and other points.

2. Carlsbad, New Mexico
Functions: Underground Nuclear Testing
Tunnels to: Fort Stockton, Texas. Roswell

3. Cordova, New Mexico
Function unknown

4. Datil, New Mexico
Function unknown
Tunnels to: Dulce Base

5: Dulce Base, New Mexico
While some are spending their time scrutinizing Area 51 and thinking that's so important, Dulce is said to be the crown jewel that we're all being distracted from; The Big Tamale

Function: Alien interface, Research of mind related functions, genetic experiments, mind control training and reprograming
Levels: 7 Known -
Level 1 - garage for street maintenance
Level 2 - garage for trains, shuttles, tunnel-boring machines and disc maintenance
Level 3 - everyone is weighed, in the nude, then given a jump suit uniform. The weight of the person is put on a computer I.D. card each day. Change in over three pounds requires a physical exam and X-ray.
Level 4 - Human research in 'paranormal' areas - mental telepathy, mind control, hypnosis, remote viewing, astral traveling - etc. The technology is apparently here to allow them to know how to manipulate the 'Bioplasmic Body' Development of a laser weapon that can remotely cause burns and discomfort on it's target. They can lower your heartbeat with Deep Sleep 'Delta Waves,' induce a static shock, then reprogram, Via a Brain- Computer link.
Level 5 - Alien housing . "...The room is circular for the (electro- magnetic) generator is nearly 200 feet diameter and covers the fifth and sixth levels (extreme west south wing). There (are) five entrances (plus an escape trap door on the sixth floor) on each floor. Each portal has double door. The security is severe. Armed guards patrol constantly, and in addition to weight sensitive areas there (are) hand print and eye print stations. Here, is the device that powers the transfer of atoms.
Level 6 - Level 6 is privately called 'Nightmare Hall'. It holds the genetic labs. Experiments done on fish, seals, birds, and mice that are vastly altered from their original, forms. There are multi- armed and multi-legged humans and several cages (and vats) of humanoid bat-like creatures up to 7- feet tall. Aliens have taught the humans a lot about genetics, things both useful and dangerous. Level 7 - Humans in cages here, usually drugged or dazed, sometimes crying out for help.
Level 7 is the worst. "Row after row of 1,000's of humans & human-mixture remains in cold storage. Here too are embryos of humanoids in various stages of development. Also, many human children's' remains in storage vats. Who are (were) these people?"
Below Level 7 - Unknown other levels unexplored by humans. Aliens here. Exits into a vast underground cavern series, unexplored by humans, but suspected to be a huge alien culture area.

Tunnels to: Colorado Springs, Colorado Creed, Colorado Datil, N.M. Los Alamos. Page, Arizona Sandia Base Taos, NM
Notes: The Dulce installation (upper levels) was originally constructed by the RAND corp. There are reported to be over 3000 cameras at various high-security locations. Deep sections of the Complex may connect into a natural and extensive underground cave system, which is common in most of these locations

6. Los Alamos, New Mexico
Functions: Psychotronic Research, Psychotronic Weapons
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: ALB AFB, New Mexico Dulce, New Mexico Connections to Datil,Taos

7. Sandia Base, New Mexico
Functions: Research in Electrical/magnetic Phenomena
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Dulce Base
Notes: Related Projects are studied at Sandia Base by 'The Jason Group' (of 55 Scientists). They have secretly harnessed the 'Dark Side of Technology' and hidden the beneficial technology from the public.

8. Sunspot, NM
Function unknown

9. Taos, New Mexico
Function unknown
Tunnels to: Dulce, New Mexico; Cog, Colorado
Notes: Several other sidelines to area where Uranium is mined or processed.

10. White Sands, NM
Function: Missile testing/design
Levels: Seven known


NEW YORK

New York, New York
Function unknown
Tunnels to: Capitol Building, D.C.

OHIO

Wright-Patterson Air Force Base - Dayton, Ohio
Function: Air Force Repository. Rumored to house alien remains and also "alien" craft, stealth
technology and prototype craft


OREGON


1. Cave Junction, Oregon
Levels: At least one
Notes: Suspected location is in or near Hope Mountain. Near Applegate Lake, Oregon, just over into California. Multiple shafts, access areas to over 1500 feet depth. Built using abandoned mine with over 36 known miles of tunnels, shafts.

2. Crater Lake, Oregon
Tunnels: possible to Cave Junction

3. Klamath Falls, Oregon

4. Wimer, Oregon (Ashland Mt. area)
Function: Underground Chemical Storage
Levels: At least one

PENNSYLVANIA

Raven Rock, Pa (near Ligonier)
Function: working back up underground Pentagon - sister site of Mt. Weather
Notes: 650' below summit, 4 entrances.


TEXAS

1. Calvert, Texas
Function unknown

2. Fort Hood, Texas (also reported detainment camp)
Levels: Multiple

3. Fort Stockton, Texas
Function: Unknown
Tunnels to: Carlsbad, New Mexico


UTAH

1. Dugway, Utah
Function: Chemical Storage, Radiation storage.

2. Salt Lake City Mormon Caverns
Function: Religions archives storage.
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Delta, Colorado & Riverton, Wyoming


VIRGINIA

Mount Poney - Near Culpepper, Virginia
Function unknown


WASHINGTON

1. Mt. Rainier, Washington
Function unknown.
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Unknown


2. Mt. St. Helens, Washington
Function: thought to be electromagnetic/ultra- and subsound research

3. Yakima Indian Reservation
Function unknown
Notes: Southeast of Tacoma Washington, on the Reservation, in an area 40 by 70 miles. Unusual sounds from underground (Toppenish Ridge). Low flying Silver Cigar shaped craft seen to disappear into the Middle fork area of Toppenish creek

Washington DC
Function: Part of massive underground relocation system to house
select government and military personnel in event of cataclysmic event
Tunnels to: New York City; Mt. Weather


WEST VIRGINIA

Greenbrier Facility, West Virginia - White Sulfer Springs, W. Va
under the Greenbriar Resort,
They don't even hide this one, and it's even a daily tourist "fun joke". The Underground vault was built to meet the needs of a Congress-in-hiding - in fact the hotel is a replica of the White House. The underground area has a chamber for the Senate, a chamber for the House and a massive hall for joint sessions. Although the hotel says it gives tours of the 112,000 square area daily, the installation still stands at the ready, its operators still working under cover at the hotel. The secrecy that has surrounded the site has shielded it both from public scrutiny and official reassessment.
From an article by Ted Gup: "House Speaker Thomas Foley, one of the very few in Congress who has been briefed on the Greenbrier facility, declined to comment for this article. But former speaker Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill says the evacuation plan always seemed "far-fetched" to him. "I never mentioned it to anybody," O'Neill recalls. "But every time I went down to the Greenbrier -- and I went there half a dozen times -- I always used to look at the hill and say, 'Well, that's where we're supposed to live in the event something happens, and that's where we're going to do business, maybe under the tennis courts."


WYOMING
Riverton, Wyoming
Function unknown
Tunnels to: Salt Lake, Utah Denver, Colorado







So, how far-fetched is hiding a couple of people in these thousands of hectares of TOP SECRET areas...? And this is only the US... Ever heard of "Pine Gap"? Google it, and find out about the ULTRA TOP SECRET US base in Australia that the Australian Gov't doesnt even have access to....

[tolstoi]

Here's what I learned from examining a lot of websites and stuff.. both from the pro-conspiracy and anti-conspiracy theorists: keep an open mind. I admit that there are indeed questions which are valid but haven't been satisfactorily answered by the U.S. government, the Pentagon attack being the central point of my suspicions.

I'll keep my promise and post the details on Sept. 11.

I always believe that promises are made to be fulfilled

[tolstoi]

congrats to GWB..it's now the 5th year of his *&QW#$@toot#$@$#$

[grabehbebe]

In remebering the 9/11 attack in the US, the Metro Police has been placed on a full alert. This is to secure all the government agencies as well as the private offices.

They said that there has been no inteligence or the police enforcers never received any report of attacking the metro, they prefer being ready just incase attacks will occur.

With this regard, they also ask the public for whatever inconvinience it will brought to them, (check points etc...) for they are just avoiding any untoward incidents and that their main concern is the security and safetyness of the metro manileños.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ WEED ... nindota 411 niom bai oi hhehe ... kinsa source nimo ? Curious lang gyud bai .... how did you or " THEY " came up with these information ?