The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[rcruman]

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Ang gusto man gud ipamatuod ni Bro. Sinyalan kay walay Ginoo or wlay nabuhat ang GInoo sa gubat sa iraq.

Og ang akong pangutana sa iyaha kay ang gubot dili Ginoo ang nagsugod kungdi kita.
Pero kung iya gyud ni ipasok nga ang GInoo maoy sinugdanan sa Gubot aw mugawas mutuo siyag Ginoo, supak lang siya sa Ginoo mao ang laktod nga pagkaistorya.

PEace!

[mordecai_327]

Hm, these discussions have become quite steamy.

Kyahaha... Nice exchange of ideas, pero let us remember, this topic was created to clarify people on the Catholic Faith.

No offense, but let us not try to make steamy arguments here, this is to enlighten, not to destroy. If you beg to disagree with some of this religion's practices, then place it on another post.

Now, to the Catholics who got quite pissed with some of the posts here, let us try to keep our cool and respond in a good manner, hehe, I am a Catholic myself.

...I appreciate the way you handled your posts here, particularly this one bro. At least somehow I am assured you are staying objective and responding in a good manner. However, I am not sure why you said "quite pissed with some of the posts here".

At the beginning of my post I wrote a portion "Nota Bene" to dispel any hostility, for what oTnur posted contained name-branding/labelling which somehow for me is uncalled for.

@mordecai_327:

I really appreciate the information that you have brought upon us. But, let me point out that you cannot force us to reject the papacy. Hehe, no offense.

...The RC hierarchy is an established institution already. Even if people can muster enough information to argue that one should reject the papacy for compelling reasons, it will still be a matter of change done not by people.

Peace, bro, not here to argue, just here for the clarity of my fellow Catholics, and so you may have a better view on our assertions, not to convince you in any way, for I know, a man with a faith of that caliber, is hard to change. hehehe. Let Christ be our guide, as always.

Peace in Christ!

...if these are your assertions, so be it, though I don't agree with some of them. After all, these are yours not mine. However, I don't see this as the same position held by the majority of Roman Catholics. Just look around and see what the nominal Catholics think and do. No offense bro, it's just my observation.

And also, I'm not here to argue as well, hehehe! :mrgreen:

Peace be with you

[Hellblazer]

I guess he missed the war in Iraq.

hehehe.

[Hellblazer]

If this is your basis, then you are pitiful. Do you think God creates suffering? No, it is us, human beings, who create suffering for ourselves. We have a choice between good and evil, yet we choose the latter. Do you think God wanted the war on Iraq?

i agree. God had nothing to do with that war.

[carmicael]

...I appreciate the way you handled your posts here, particularly this one bro. At least somehow I am assured you are staying objective and responding in a good manner. However, I am not sure why you said "quite pissed with some of the posts here".

At the beginning of my post I wrote a portion "Nota Bene" to dispel any hostility, for what oTnur posted contained name-branding/labelling which somehow for me is uncalled for.

I see. I meant pissed off, because I was referring to people's reactions. I'm not saying that I was pissed of by your posts.

...if these are your assertions, so be it, though I don't agree with some of them. After all, these are yours not mine. However, I don't see this as the same position held by the majority of Roman Catholics. Just look around and see what the nominal Catholics think and do. No offense bro, it's just my observation.

I do agree with this, and I take no offense.

[Sinyalan]

Let me get this straight from all bible huggerz...

We blame for our own atrocities and war is also part of his plans... so why the heck your god in your bible started the whole thing in the first place? Read all of them, it's in your bible. Since you peeps are so insistent that the bible is one true answer to ALL. If your god is real, he could stop the bad stuff with a thought. If he gets credit for the good, he also gets blame. I don't give either, though, as he's not real. Well if he's going to be given the credit for the good things,then he should take the blame for the bad. A flawed world is a product of a flawed God. Moreso, if he created the entire universe, then he is to blame. According to Christianity, God is responsible for everything. So yes, if there's something bad, he did it. It's pretty simple.

More reading in your bible: The first war took place in heaven when Lucifer rose up in rebellion against God in heaven and was consequently cast down to earth. In Genesis 14, first war in earth.... So, who do you think to blame for all these?

[tripwire]

People, I don't want to take responsibility for anything. Some call it the age of entitlement. Everybody thinks they should be given and not earned so why get involved and get flack for nothing.

You have good ideas of what to do. If you start it people will follow, at least those interested will but who are too scared to take action on their own.

[carmicael]

Let me get this straight from all bible huggerz...

We blame for our own atrocities and war is also part of his plans... so why the heck your god in your bible started the whole thing in the first place? Read all of them, it's in your bible. Since you peeps are so insistent that the bible is one true answer to ALL. If your god is real, he could stop the bad stuff with a thought. If he gets credit for the good, he also gets blame. I don't give either, though, as he's not real. Well if he's going to be given the credit for the good things,then he should take the blame for the bad. A flawed world is a product of a flawed God. Moreso, if he created the entire universe, then he is to blame. According to Christianity, God is responsible for everything. So yes, if there's something bad, he did it. It's pretty simple.

More reading in your bible: The first war took place in heaven when Lucifer rose up in rebellion against God in heaven and was consequently cast down to earth. In Genesis 14, first war in earth.... So, who do you think to blame for all these?

I see. Getting steamy, aren't we? Hahaha. No, I'm no Bible Hugger, but not a pushover as well. I guess you're the one who doesn't understand the Bible. You read it with NO UNDERSTANDING at all, how PITIFUL. If you read the BIBLE, then you will understand that the Scriptures make it clear that God did not create the world in the state in which it is now, but evil came as a result of the selfishness and ARROGANCE of man. The Bible says that God is a God of love and HE DESIRED TO CREATE A PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOVE HIM. He is a God, in search of a people. But GENUINE LOVE CANNOT EXIST UNLESS IT IS FREELY GIVEN THROUGH FREE CHOICE AND WILL and THUS MAN WAS GIVEN THE CHOICE TO ACCEPT God’s love OR TO REJECT IT. The choice made the possibility of evil become very real. God is neither evil nor did He create evil. Man brought evil upon himself by selfishly choosing his own way apart from God’s way.

Blaming God for suffering and evil in the world is like saying "You shouldn't have given us FREEWILL Lord. You should have made us love you and forced us to obey you." But that would not have been real love. Would force someone to love you? When you walk down the aisle, and say "I do", what would it feel like if you were told you had no choice but to love the person and marry the person or else? God has been very fair and righteous to give us a choice about loving Him. We, unfortunately, made the decision to go our own way rebelling against God. So now we have to live with the consequences of choosing sin instead of Him. Our rebellion and broken relationship with God has brought evil and suffering in the world.
STILL, MOST PEOPLE WONDER WHY THIS SENSELESS EVIL OCCURS.

According to Christianity, GOD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING GOOD, just to correct one of your many assumptions. YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BIBLE IN ITS ENTIRETY, yet you make so many FOOLISH, PREJUDICED and ARROGANT assumptions. Nice going there.

"The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death." --Isaiah 57:1-2 (I know you could never understand this, but I'll post this anyway)



Let's have a quick recap, Mr-I-read-your-bible-while-you-Christians-didn't.

(Gen. 1:2 - God gave Adam dominion over the world .
(Gen. 3:17-1 - Adam rebelled against God, thus SIN, existed.
(Rom. 5:12; Eph. 2:3) - People became SINFUL.
(Rom. 3:19-12) - And became haters of God.
(Rom. 3:23) - All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
(Matt. 24:22) - The price for SIN.
(Rev. 21:4) - God has found His people, who loves Him, with all their hearts.


You cannot force your FOOLISH, ARROGANT, and PREJUDICED beliefs upon us, Christians, not just Catholics, but ALL CHRISTIANS, to take the path you have chosen. OUR GOD, has made a path for us, and WE WILL DO OUR BEST, to walk in THE PATH. Of course, I understand that you have no knowledge of this path, well, you would if you READ and UNDERSTAND OUR BIBLE.

And, for a FACT, GOD EXISTS, unless you disprove it, Mr-I-don't-give-either-as-he's-not-real.

[fingolfin]

.. why are there so many hypocrites in Roman Catholics or any other religion for that matter ??

[carmicael]

.. why are there so many hypocrites in Roman Catholics or any other religion for that matter ??

Well, if para ako ni, I take no offense, I'm not clean, I was just here, to point out what I believe in.