Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[orcgod]

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<--- i won't argue anymore with you orcgod. Hope that God will save you (this is my last reply to you, God bless you atheist wannabe

ana gyud brad, dont argue when you cannot argue anymore, you didnt even answer my questions. kay you ran out of reason. and the only desperate reason you have...is FAITH. So Live with your Blind Faith however you want it.
haha,, ako Atheist wannabe? any evidence that I was, is, and is to come a WANNABE? haha.

[orcgod]

@orcgod - Cencya na brod.. Labad ulo manage sa server, at the same time, compose answer. hehe

For the seven scientists, you don't need to explicitly read from their writings in order for you to know that they believe in God. You might want to check wikipedia since it is more comprehensive than my link.
Galileo:
Galileo defended heliocentrism, and claimed it was not contrary to those Scripture passages. He took Augustine's position on Scripture: not to take every passage literally, particularly when the scripture in question is a book of poetry and songs, not a book of instructions or history. The writers of the Scripture wrote from the perspective of the terrestrial world, and from that vantage point the sun does rise and set.
Newton:
Newton saw God as the master creator whose existence could not be denied in the face of the grandeur of all creation.

etc..

Like what I've explained to hitch22, they might have disagreeing religious propositions. But the fact is that they still accepted that there is someone Superior could have started/created all things tells us that they don't accept the idea that all things come from nothing, and by chance.

If everything starts from simplicity, then simplicity existed in eternity, and NOT GOD because there is NO GOD.
- This assumes that the simplicity has an infinite past. The problem with this theory is that an infinite past contradicts itself. An event(like a death of a star), involves a finite series of past events. If the Big Bang occured some 14 billion yrs ago, it should have a series of past events before the explosion occurred. But as you said, that matter and gases had no beginning, why did it not happened 100 billion yrs ago, or yesterday? Since there have been an infinite past before it.
- Simply put, infinity is just an idea on the mind, not something real. Infinity minus infinity is undefined.

Now, your confuse mind will say, where did SIMPLE GAS and DUST comes from? and we will answer, as a HUMBLE Science Enthusiast, we havent trace the simpler origin form of Gas and Dust, but we are looking for opportunities to address the issue in the near future, as we gradually evolve from our technology. Now, thats humility.
- Great! we are really proud on your unending quests for new discoveries. With this, we can appreciate more on how wonderful God's creation is.
- Science is constantly in search for new discoveries finding answers about our world, and NOT to prove the inexistence of God.

Only an aethist thinks that the more we understand Science, the more we are inclined to believe that there is no God. Science does not teach that. You don't read it in the science book, right?

If there are 2 camps in war, say; Nazi and Jews
I would suggest let's be united, and let's have peace.
The Jews don't want war, we are embracing Nazi's ideas.

Like Galileo, let's not take things literally in the Bible.
We need Science for us to understand about the natural world.
We need Religion for us to understand about God.

Apir! Tagay ta redhorse. hehehe

If everything starts from simplicity, then simplicity existed in eternity, and NOT GOD because there is NO GOD.
- This assumes that the simplicity has an infinite past. The problem with this theory is that an infinite past contradicts itself.
An event(like a death of a star), involves a finite series of past events. If the Big Bang occured some 14 billion yrs ago,
it should have a series of past events before the explosion occurred. But as you said, that matter and gases had no beginning,
why did it not happened 100 billion yrs ago, or yesterday? Since there have been an infinite past before it.
- Simply put, infinity is just an idea on the mind, not something real. Infinity minus infinity is undefined.

haha, ah correction, its not matter and gas, but Dust and Gas which forms into Matter, dont confuse your self.
and Did i say Dust and Gas has no beginning?

again, atong balikon, para makasabot sad ka.

We HUMBLE science enthusiast havent trace the simpler origin forms of Gas and Dust. Its because we are not delusional and
hallucinating, and we stick on scientific evidence, more research.

Not like you, who jumps to conclusion about GOD, that you really think created Gas and Dust in space. Which gives me another
question.

If your GOD created Gas and Dust in space which forms into matter, does it mean Your GOD is still creating stars up until now? (TUBAGA NI HA)
Astronomers witness a star being born

Now, your confuse mind will say, where did SIMPLE GAS and DUST comes from? and we will answer, as a HUMBLE Science Enthusiast,
we havent trace the simpler origin form of Gas and Dust, but we are looking for opportunities to address the issue in the near
future, as we gradually evolve from our technology. Now, thats humility.
- Great! we are really proud on your unending quests for new discoveries. With this, we can appreciate more on how wonderful
God's creation is.
- Science is constantly in search for new discoveries finding answers about our world, and NOT to prove the inexistence of God.

Only an aethist thinks that the more we understand Science, the more we are inclined to believe that there is no God.
Science does not teach that. You don't read it in the science book, right?

Science has got nothing to prove of any existence of any GOD, because there's no GOD in the first place.
Science is simply tracing back Fossil Records to determine where we come from.

Science doesnt compete with Faith and Religion. Its Faith and Religion desperately competing Science.

Atheist think that the more we understand science, the more intact our SANITY is.

The more you incline to believe that there is GOD, the worse your INSANITY level will be.

Trust me, you should go see a doctor. Your BIBLE didnt tell you this right?


If there are 2 camps in war, say; Nazi and Jews
I would suggest let's be united, and let's have peace.
The Jews don't want war, we are embracing Nazi's ideas.

Like Galileo, let's not take things literally in the Bible.
We need Science for us to understand about the natural world.
We need Religion for us to understand about God.


haha, you actually fantasize about Jews and Nazi's uniting? keep it to yourself. It will never happen. Trust me, I got a Jewish Friend.
Dont even consider the idea that Blood Type O+ will mix with AB -.

Namatay nalang si Galileo, imo Ginoo wapa gihapon ni balik. 2nd coming ba.

[Clifford_2008]

science i believe

[roadrash09]

I don't even want to talk about it. I'm just going to end up in an endless debate.

[redhorse1L]

@orcgod

sige pa ta aneh? =) anyway, tubag nalang ko.

haha, ah correction, its not matter and gas, but Dust and Gas which forms into Matter, dont confuse your self.

- Gas, dust, utot, abog, whatever you call them. What I am stressing out that these things cannot exist in eternity, that it has an infinite past.

and Did i say Dust and Gas has no beginning?
You wrote:

If everything starts from simplicity, then simplicity existed in eternity

eternity - definition of eternity by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Eternity- Time without beginning or end; infinite time.
Again, the idea of an infinite past is logically impossible.

We HUMBLE science enthusiast havent trace the simpler origin forms of Gas and Dust. Its because we are not delusional and hallucinating, and we stick on scientific evidence, more research.

I follow a philosophical argument that also proves logically, it says:
Something cannot come from nothing.

That is why, like other great scientists, I believe that someone beyond the physical world, beyond space and time, an all-powerful Being could have started all things.

You seem to believe on a reason that is logically invalid, I believe in something that is logically valid.
Who is delusional and hallucinating now?

If your GOD created Gas and Dust in space which forms into matter, does it mean Your GOD is still creating stars up until now? (TUBAGA NI HA)

Like how planets, moon, twisters or lightnings are formed, there is a scientific explanation for all that. But all these can be traced back to the the Big Bang, the origin of the universe.
So it doesn't necessarily mean that it needs supernatural intervention for a star to be born, or a planet to spin.

Science has got nothing to prove of any existence of any GOD, because there's no GOD in the first place.

Please check your logic if this is valid. Science DOES NOT talk about God since that is beyond its scope. Its like a sports magazine, it doesn't have to talk about the stock market.
How can you be so sure that there is no God when you can't even prove that something (Dust and Gas) can just exist from nothing?

Science doesn't compete with Faith and Religion. Its Faith and Religion desperately competing Science.

Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pope Pius XII, declared at the November 22, 1951 opening meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences that the Big Bang theory accorded with the Catholic concept of creation ...

Like I've said, we are not competing each other in terms of science, ONLY aethists think so.
In fact, the Vatican has its science academy with members from different cultures and beliefs. That's how the Church gives respect to science.
Pontifical Academy of Sciences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atheist think that the more we understand science, the more intact our SANITY is.
The more you incline to believe that there is GOD, the worse your INSANITY level will be.

That's what you think.
That's not what other great scientists think.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Einstein
"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being." - Isaac Newton
etc, etc, etc...

[bahiista]

am also wondering how did people come with "right or wrong", "sakto o mali", correct o mistake"?
naa ba kaha ni formula sa science? if gikan ta sa science i hope they (scientist) could come up an explanation about "love moves in mysterious ways"

if gikan ta sa science nano hangtod ron naa pa man mga sakit nga dili maau. walay tambla bah.

hahay...adto lang ko too sa Bible oi...murag mas tinood to kay science...d mangani nako na sudlan sa una..

[schmuck]

redhorse1, I give you, Carl Sagan.

YouTube - Carl Sagan On God(s)-"Why Not Save A Step?"

[Tirong-say]

The topic on both sides is still a matter of believing, which is which, one will live in what he/she believes, and in the end will be held accountable in how he/she lives.........

[necrotic freak]

@orcgod

sige pa ta aneh? =) anyway, tubag nalang ko.


- Gas, dust, utot, abog, whatever you call them. What I am stressing out that these things cannot exist in eternity, that it has an infinite past.

and Did i say Dust and Gas has no beginning?
You wrote:

eternity - definition of eternity by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Eternity- Time without beginning or end; infinite time.
Again, the idea of an infinite past is logically impossible.


I follow a philosophical argument that also proves logically, it says:
Something cannot come from nothing.

That is why, like other great scientists, I believe that someone beyond the physical world, beyond space and time, an all-powerful Being could have started all things.

You seem to believe on a reason that is logically invalid, I believe in something that is logically valid.
Who is delusional and hallucinating now?


Like how planets, moon, twisters or lightnings are formed, there is a scientific explanation for all that. But all these can be traced back to the the Big Bang, the origin of the universe.
So it doesn't necessarily mean that it needs supernatural intervention for a star to be born, or a planet to spin.


Please check your logic if this is valid. Science DOES NOT talk about God since that is beyond its scope. Its like a sports magazine, it doesn't have to talk about the stock market.
How can you be so sure that there is no God when you can't even prove that something (Dust and Gas) can just exist from nothing?


Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pope Pius XII, declared at the November 22, 1951 opening meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences that the Big Bang theory accorded with the Catholic concept of creation ...

Like I've said, we are not competing each other in terms of science, ONLY aethists think so.
In fact, the Vatican has its science academy with members from different cultures and beliefs. That's how the Church gives respect to science.
Pontifical Academy of Sciences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



That's what you think.
That's not what other great scientists think.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Einstein
"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being." - Isaac Newton
etc, etc, etc...

Enough said sir. And science was NEVER intended for atheistic expenditure.

[remz399]

i bliv in god so do I in Bible. ^_^™