Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[hitch22]

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22) THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY RESURRECTION OF ANYBODY

Ecclesiastes 3:19-21

19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both:
As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.
20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.
21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?"

Ecclesiastes 9:5

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

Job 7:9

Just as a cloud dissipates and vanishes, those who die will not come back.

[hitch22]

...and the final point about the Resurrection

23) OTHERS OUTDID JESUS

a) Elijah never died. He just went straight to heaven in a chariot.

2 Kings 2:11

And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

b) Well, not related to resurrection but somebody OUTDID Jesus in the Virgin Birth department.

Isaac was born to a woman who had passed through menopause...that surpasses the Virgin Birth!

Genesis 18:11-14

Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years. The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah.
So Sarah laughed to herself, saying, “After I am worn out, and my lord is old, shall I have pleasure?”
The LORD said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Shall I indeed bear a child, now that I am old?’
Is anything too hard for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, about this time next year, and Sarah shall have a son.”

AND

Adam came into the world as a full-grown adult (You all know that).

c) Check out Melchisedec....

Hebrews 7:1-3

1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Melchisedec had no father nor mother, no beginning, no end, and no genealogy. Jesus never came close to that. He had a beginning and end and the genealogy, had to go through crucifixion and so forth.

[kenites]

@hitch22 ---- tnx bro.. daghan jud ta makat-unan nimo dah, dugangi pa

[redhorse1L]

@hitch22

Let's stick to the thread topic.
The Resurrection of Jesus is a different topic to discuss.

You might want to comment on my previous posts.

[hitch22]

@hitch22

Let's stick to the thread topic.
The Resurrection of Jesus is a different topic to discuss.

You might want to comment on my previous posts.

When I checked that post, you addressed that post to orcgod. Would you want me to take that on? Very well then.

Firstly, which God are you talking about? Because if you're talking only about a First Cause or Singularity or a lifeforce behind the Big Bang, you've only gotten yourself to a Deist position. And DEISM, as you know, is a belief in a non-intervening God...which the monotheistic religion like Islam or the 3-in-one-God (trinity) religion like Christianity condemn as heretical. So which flag, may I know, are you flying under?

Secondly, some clarifications/corrections have to be pointed out about those "believing" scientists:

1) Einstein always gets misinterpreted when he mentions the word "God". He uses the word "God" in a metaphorical sense like when he commented on the weirdness of Quantum Mechanics with this famous quote: "God doesn't play dice with the universe." The reason he said this was because he believed that the universe is predictable and can be known. But, as far as the God in religion is concerned, he certainly made his position very clear:

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

One can see very well Einstein's position on religious matters. ALTHOUGH IN AN INTERVIEW WITH TIME MAGAZINE, HE SAID:

I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.

AGAIN, HE USES THE WORD "GOD" AS A METAPHOR IN UNDERSTANDING THE PREDICTABLE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE. YEARS LATER, HE CLARIFIED HIS STANCE....

The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.

2) Blaise Pascal's religion was Jansenism, a movement condemned as a heresy by Pope Innocent X and which the Jesuits accused as Calvinistic. Even Pascal's treatise entitled Pensées ended up in the Catholic Church's Index of Prohibited Books (Index librorum prohibitorum).

3) Isaac Newton held very heretical beliefs, because he believed that TRINITARIANISM WAS A FRAUD.

Newton was born into the Anglican church and publicly conformed to it. At about thirty, he convinced himself that Trinitarianism was a fraud and that Arianism was the true form of primitive Christianity. Newton held these views, very privately, until the end of his life. On his death bed he refused to receive the sacrament of the Anglican church.

* click here to read his brief bio.

And from this book Isaac Newton, heretic : the strategies of a Nicodemite (Snobelen, Stephen D. - 1999)

Whether from his ownlibrary or those of others, the theological contours of contemporary antitrinitarianism are visible throughout Newton's thought. Newton and other seventeenth-century antitrinitarians involved themselves in a sustained endeavour to dismantle the history of the Trinitarian victors and replace it with an account that vindicated the legitimacy of the antitrinitarian faith ; Sand's Nucleus is a classic in this tradition.

4) Galileo's main contribution to science was condemned as heretical by the Christian world. His books were banned and he got punished for it. If Galileo lived in today's world and got to know what current science knows now, and without the threat of religious persecution, do you think Galileo would have problems abandoning Christianity? I won't put the answer as 100% sure...but definitely above 50% that he would easily do so. Why? because he places a higher value for scientific truths than dogmas...even at the risk of committing heresy.

SO, WHICH GOD? With all the religions that have come and gone and that continue to exist, you have to agree that only one of the following possibilities is true:
a) ALL OF THEM ARE TRUE
b) ONE OF THEM IS TRUE
c) NONE OF THEM ARE TRUE

I think we both agree that "A" can't be true. IF you choose "B", WHICH ONE? And how do you know your religion is the right one? BECAUSE YOU HAPPEN TO BELIEVE IN IT? The Pythagorean Theorem is true regardless where you're born in. The Law of Gravity is true regardless where you're born in. But RELIGION? To quote Richard Dawkins:

But by far the most important variable determining your religion is the accident of birth. The convictions that you so passionately believe would have been a completely different, and largely contradictory, set of convictions, if only you had happened to be born in a different place.

TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS if you had been born in India or in Iran or in a different time in history and culture, you would have different religious beliefs and you would be fighting and defending it as zealously as you would for your religion now. Ever thought about that?

[orcgod]

Do you really think that the Aethists have the best scientists in this world? Check this out: (I'm sure you knew them)
1. Galileo Galilei
2. Blaise Pascal
3. Robert Boyle
4. Isaac Newton
5. Gottfried W. Leibnitz
6. Albert Einstein
7. Charles B. Thaxton
Scientists Who Believe in God


Again, for the third time.. Please answer my question:
From a point of Singularity(Simplicity), we have a very dense energy ball.
Don't get me wrong, I am also open with the possibility that we started in a Big Bang.

But, did this Simplicity existed in eternity? Was it always there before 14billion years ago?

Do you really think that the Aethists have the best scientists in this world? - Logic says "theres no such thing as absolute, no such thing as "best". Thats why scientists doesnt claim or even use the word BEST. Can you give me a link that one of these scientist says "Atheist have the best scientist in this world? no, you cant find any.

But you can only see scientist at work, challenging their own theories and others too. Scientists will never say they are the best. In fact they are too humble to accept if theyre theories are being challenge.

These seven scientist believe in GOD? Can you find a phrase or a sentence that says, "Iam Einstein, and I BELIEVE IN A GOD", ""Iam Galileo, and I BELIEVE IN A GOD"? can you give me a link?
the link that you gave are short biographical information. Give me another link.

While people who believe in GOD, are not humble to accept when theyre FAITH is being scrutinize, challenge, or being investigated.

But, did this Simplicity existed in eternity? Was it always there before 14billion years ago? - if everything starts from simplicity, then simplicity existed in eternity, and NOT GOD because there is NO GOD.

Simplicity has always been there 14 billion years ago. example: simple matter from a surrounding envelope of gas and dust. Thats simplicity.

The gravitational pull of gas and dust thus transforming into matter, and from matter, it transformed into something complicated, like star, sun, and planets. thats complexity.

Now, your confuse mind will say, where did SIMPLE GAS and DUST comes from? and we will answer, as a HUMBLE Science Enthusiast, we havent trace the simpler origin form of Gas and Dust, but we are looking for opportunities to address the issue in the near future, as we gradually evolve from our technology. Now, thats humility.

Now, I bet, you will say, "Thats it you cannot explain, because presto, GOD made the Gas and Dust". With out presenting proof.

You want me to read page 67? how bout you read my posts first? maybe youll realize that there is no GOD.

Can you see your GOD? no right? but you still believe in him. That means your delusional. FAITH is a sugarcoated word to cover up people in denial, and at the brink of insanity.

Again, FAITH and SCIENCE cannot co-exist. Like GOVERNMENT and RELIGION. Like OIL and WATER. Like blood type O+ and AB-, it cannot co exist.

Kung sa Gubat pa, ikaw ang klaro nga talawan. playing safe. if there are 2 camps in war, say; Nazi and Jews. either your a Nazi, or your a Jew. In your case your a Nazi Jew? you gotta be kidding me.

now, ive answered your question. Answer mine: Since you are a self-proclaimed Theist, can you USE Science, conduct experiments, to prove your GOD's existence?

[bungot25]

now, ive answered your question. Answer mine: Since you are a self-proclaimed Theist, can you USE Science, conduct experiments, to prove your GOD's existence?

here is the evidence through scientific investigation.

The Case For The Creator - Lee Strobel

if you still dont believe, then you are dishonest and badwilled person.

[cobraKing]

power au ni c hitch22 dah..daghan nko learnings dri..basa2x lng sah ko

[schmuck]

here is the evidence through scientific investigation.

The Case For The Creator - Lee Strobel

if you still dont believe, then you are dishonest and badwilled person.

There has been a group dedicated to debunking all of strobel arguments piece by piece.
Case Against Faith: Debunking Lee Strobel and promoting atheism

If you don't check it out, you are a dishonest, bigoted person.

[will_way86]

ako sa Bible. Everything begins from God so whatever written in the Bible are all true and correct. People who wrote it was guided by our Supreme God.