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[lunateec22]

thats exactly why phoenix can pick these guys because they have steve nash. and in the first place the very reason why they're picked is to play defense. they are able bodied and wide big men, you dont need skills to play defense

Actually, skill is needed to play defense. The manner of sticking to that guy and to provide the necessary know-how of when or not to foul. Additionally, to remain on that guy's face to play hard defense requires a skill to compliment a steal and a block. Anticipation is part of the component to as is the skill needed.

and that suspension too is a message that the suns is in need of big men. again, it won't take skilled players too play defense, just heart. plus there's no assurance kurt thomas will still play for the suns this season, and if he will, age is catching up with him

Suspension doesn't necessarily mean they need big men to bolster their defense. Again, the Suns' system is offense and they have the bigs on that game as well, namely Marion and Thomas who provided firepower. And they already have 'cheap-contracted' big guys on Pat Burke and Sean Marks. An upgrade should be evident but they have to acquire reasonable contracts hereon.

there's no doubt mike conley is the better choice. but possibly ending up at 5th-10th pick overall, that's big. conley is a good investment for the suns, but can he wait that long? 3-4 years is actually long to break out, especially when you're a top pick. not unless if he'll have the patience

Conley's not projected to be a top pick, it's either Oden or Durant and possibly Brandan Wright or Al Horford. 3-4 years is not bad enough, especially when he's playing with the Suns along with Nash. But it would best for the Suns not to pick Conley, I want him to be with my Hawks.

conley is a good pick for the suns, but there are players in the draft way better than him that the suns could pick

There are other players in draft that are way better than him indeed. But they are not point guards, Conley is the best PG in the draft right now followed by Acie Law and projected late first-round picks Javaris Crittenton, Gabe Pruitt and Rodney Stuckey.

carter recieved a little over $15M in 2006-07, and if he opts to stay with the nets for the 2007-08, he'll end end up with a little over $16.3M. reasonable enough, the $20M will just be for a season, and with vince, its way too much. VC has really never had proven much. carter is looking for a solid team. orlando maybe a good choice for him.

WOW! 20m for one season is TOTALLY TOO MUCH for a team to acquire his services, especially with Orlando since they are planning to extend Dwight's contract. The Magic are out for this one. The only team that has a cap capable of getting Vince are the Charlotte Bobcats, who are $27.6 million below the cap.

Vince should indeed lower that amount, or he'll become the next Spree.

[makoyvelasco]

Actually, skill is needed to play defense. The manner of sticking to that guy and to provide the necessary know-how of when or not to foul. Additionally, to remain on that guy's face to play hard defense requires a skill to compliment a steal and a block. Anticipation is part of the component to as is the skill needed.

defense is more of heart than skill. aside from being able to block shots and steal, hustle, taking hard shots and sacrificing is a big part of defense.

Suspension doesn't necessarily mean they need big men to bolster their defense. Again, the Suns' system is offense and they have the bigs on that game as well, namely Marion and Thomas who provided firepower. And they already have 'cheap-contracted' big guys on Pat Burke and Sean Marks. An upgrade should be evident but they have to acquire reasonable contracts hereon.

marion, stoudemire and nash eats up a lot of the the salary space for the suns. its either the suns let one of these guys go, which is very unlikely, or they add players with salaries way, way below the minimum. burke and marks are becoming free agents, there are other big men who plays better than both of them, defensively at least.

Conley's not projected to be a top pick, it's either Oden or Durant and possibly Brandan Wright or Al Horford. 3-4 years is not bad enough, especially when he's playing with the Suns along with Nash. But it would best for the Suns not to pick Conley, I want him to be with my Hawks.

what i meant by top pick is that conley will very likely end up somewhere in the top 10. conley to the hawks? hmm.. the best thing i can think for conley.. :mrgreen:

The only team that has a cap capable of getting Vince are the Charlotte Bobcats, who are $27.6 million below the cap.

Vince should indeed lower that amount, or he'll become the next Spree.

and lower down his pride perhaps too. carter wants to play for a contender, and the bobcats could be out of his choices. though the charlotte franchise is on the rise, carter will choose more established teams to play with.

indeed he's going down to be another latrell sprewell..

[djereza]

defense is more of heart than skill. aside from being able to block shots and steal, hustle, taking hard shots and sacrificing is a big part of defense.

Huh? I think "Skill" is more important when it comes to "Defense" or "Offense". So you mean all the defensive players in NBA have more heart than skill Like myself..i have the heart to play the game..i love basketball...but i don't have the skill to play the game...TOINK.

[lunateec22]

defense is more of heart than skill. aside from being able to block shots and steal, hustle, taking hard shots and sacrificing is a big part of defense.

You just stated the skills necessary to play defense. You're actually doing a great job in arguing your own statements.

marion, stoudemire and nash eats up a lot of the the salary space for the suns. its either the suns let one of these guys go, which is very unlikely, or they add players with salaries way, way below the minimum. burke and marks are becoming free agents, there are other big men who plays better than both of them, defensively at least.

But again, the Suns are a PURE OFFENSE team. Additional bodies inside should help them but I don't think they're gonna get PT's when they're with the Suns. I'd say good luck to them.

what i meant by top pick is that conley will very likely end up somewhere in the top 10. conley to the hawks? hmm.. the best thing i can think for conley..

You could've settled for the phrase "one of the top picks". I'm a complicated person. I make things complicated.

If Conley's still available and IF the Hawks get Indiana's #11 pick (it's top 10 protected). I'm hoping for the best in tomorrow's lottery. Hawks should end up getting #1 and #11. That's just wishful thinking.

and lower down his pride perhaps too. carter wants to play for a contender, and the bobcats could be out of his choices. though the charlotte franchise is on the rise, carter will choose more established teams to play with.

He should lower that down if that report of $20million a year is true. Only the Bobcats can match that up. I think he should settle for an MLE (mid-level exception) if he wants to be with a legitimate contender like the teams up on the West. Ang MLE siguro karon kay mga 6 or 7 million. Kaluoy sad ni Carter.

Huh? I think "Skill" is more important when it comes to "Defense" or "Offense". So you mean all the defensive players in NBA have more heart than skill Like myself..i have the heart to play the game..i love basketball...but i don't have the skill to play the game...TOINK.

Same here. But i have the skill to play better basketball. NBA LIVE. TOINKS!

[makoyvelasco]

You just stated the skills necessary to play defense. You're actually doing a great job in arguing your own statements.

and defense is not just all about blocking shots and stealing the ball. defense is all about slowing down the opponent, hustle, forcing turnovers. defense is taking what the offense gives you. you run with the offense and try to stop them. not all players are willing to sacrifice and do the blue collar jobs. thats why i prefer defense as heart than skill.

But again, the Suns are a PURE OFFENSE team.

and it's not enough if they wanna win a championship

You could've settled for the phrase "one of the top picks". I'm a complicated person. I make things complicated.

try to read between the lines. i know you know what i meant with that.

If Conley's still available and IF the Hawks get Indiana's #11 pick (it's top 10 protected). I'm hoping for the best in tomorrow's lottery. Hawks should end up getting #1 and #11. That's just wishful thinking.

just wish you the best in this one too. the hawks needs a better PG. the hawks could end at the top 3

Huh? I think "Skill" is more important when it comes to "Defense" or "Offense". So you mean all the defensive players in NBA have more heart than skill Like myself..i have the heart to play the game..i love basketball...but i don't have the skill to play the game...TOINK.

heart here doesn't mean love for basketball, but the willingness to do the things that other, or should i say most players are not willing to do. it's the nba, and its not just any other ordinary basketball league. most of the players are the best in the world. was it skill that drove michael jordan to win titles especially playing with flu and playing against the overly physical and rough new york knicks? magic johnson to carry the lakers without kareem? larry bird and isiah thomas leading their teams to victories despite hobbling with injuries? tayshaun prince racing down the court to deny reggie miller's open lay-up? yes maybe, but its more of heart. its what separates the men from boys.

[djereza]

makoy: Yeah you're right...the players you mentioned jordan, magic, bird, isiah...had flu, injuries or lack of support from playes whatever, have heart to play basketball. but like you said....

and defense is not just all about blocking shots and stealing the ball. defense is all about slowing down the opponent, hustle, forcing turnovers. defense is taking what the offense gives you. you run with the offense and try to stop them. not all players are willing to sacrifice and do the blue collar jobs. thats why i prefer defense as heart than skill.

everything you said...blocking, stealing, slowing down opponent, banging bodies, hustle, forcing turnovers is all part of defense and its takes a lot "skill" to do that.

[makoyvelasco]

blocking, stealing, slowing down opponent, banging bodies, hustle, forcing turnovers is all part of defense and its takes a lot "skill" to do that.

it's skill, but at the NBA perspective, all players can do those things, even those at the deepest end of the bench. now what made other players stand out? it's heart. there's always the risk of getting into somebody else's poster when you try to block a shot, getting crossed when you go for a steal, injured going toe to toe and sacrificing your body for a possession. but why do some players are very willing to do it? the will to win.

im not saying skill is in no use or whatsoever, but in a level where everybody can do the things you can do, maybe in a level more than you could, you need something more than skill to stand out

[djereza]

--- Okay before i start....i'm just talking about you perception about defense (Your saying is Heart > Skill) ------

Really?? even bench players can do what the starters do Then why are they bench players?? You know
what separates the bench players from the starters or NBA superstars is "Athleticism" and "Basketball IQ". Its not Heart. Almost all NBA players have the Heart. Most of them have the WILL to WIN, its just their not as good as the starters/superstars and you know that.

Since deepest bench players can do all things...like can they defend like Artest?? Rodman?? Jordan?? Pippen?? etc.?? but its just they don't have the heart?? Nope... its Skills bro.

You don't compare Amare and Chris Mihm right?? Amare has the skill to defend and do offense, while Chris can block shots and has some some defense and offense. But Mihm just move tooo slow compare to Amare.. Now what separates them?? Heart?? Nope. Its Skills bro.

Kung sa bisaya pa... "Ga dako ra ang hunahuna wala diay to kabuga".

I maybe thinking that i can make shots or i have the heart to defend my opponents when playing basketball but if you don't have the skill to do it, then you don't. (Mao na..adto nalang ko sa NBA Live ma mawi..hehe)

[lunateec22]

and defense is not just all about blocking shots and stealing the ball. defense is all about slowing down the opponent, hustle, forcing turnovers. defense is taking what the offense gives you. you run with the offense and try to stop them. not all players are willing to sacrifice and do the blue collar jobs. thats why i prefer defense as heart than skill.

Let's just say that heart is both defense and offense... but still skill has a lot to do with everything. Refer to djereza's POV.

and it's not enough if they wanna win a championship

Sure enough. But I'm just saying that that's their system.

try to read between the lines. i know you know what i meant with that

I kind of. But there are some people who wouldn't.

just wish you the best in this one too. the hawks needs a better PG. the hawks could end at the top 3

I really hope so. :mrgreen:

I maybe thinking that i can make shots or i have the heart to defend my opponents when playing basketball but if you don't have the skill to do it, then you don't. (Mao na..adto nalang ko sa NBA Live ma mawi..hehe)

My Atlanta Hawks were champions in my NBA Live 2006. Wahehehe!!! Josh SMith won the Defensive Players of the Year. Haha!

[djereza]

Lunateec: hhehehe conference finals pako bro. may paka mana.