What can you say about ISIS?

[neh.maca]

ayaw lang unta igeneralize nga ang muslim kay pulos pud dautan

[kalihi_kid]

delicado ni nga group..................

[BetterPhilippines2015]

ayaw lang unta igeneralize nga ang muslim kay pulos pud dautan

Then let them police themselves kay afaik, starring ni sila pirmi sa gubot. Can you blame us?

[neh.maca]

Then let them police themselves kay afaik, starring ni sila pirmi sa gubot. Can you blame us?

dle tanan muslim dautan. dle pud tanan christian, catholic, baptist, or any another denomination buotan. The name people gave you doesn't define you. And I can't blame you. I, myself, am a christian. I am doing my best to be Christ-like. Pero d nako madeny nga masayup ghapon ko. Kana nuong ISIS, I agree nga dle jud maau ilang gipambuhat. Pero please don't get to the point nga tanan nalang muslim, atong tan aw kay suicide bomber na or mamamatay tao na.

[BetterPhilippines2015]

dle tanan muslim dautan. dle pud tanan christian, catholic, baptist, or any another denomination buotan. The name people gave you doesn't define you. And I can't blame you. I, myself, am a christian. I am doing my best to be Christ-like. Pero d nako madeny nga masayup ghapon ko. Kana nuong ISIS, I agree nga dle jud maau ilang gipambuhat. Pero please don't get to the point nga tanan nalang muslim, atong tan aw kay suicide bomber na or mamamatay tao na.

Ok let's make it simple:

Between a stranger muslim and a stranger christian, kinsa imong pilion para makauban nimo matug? You must choose one.

[olalalala]

your first statement
ayaw lang unta igeneralize nga ang muslim kay pulos pud dautan

made me think that you're a muslim. but when you said that you're a christian, i salute your humanism. i hope more broad-minded person will spread in this world or in this forums.

coz this thread has a lot of ignorant people. i see many members who always assumes that all muslims are terrorist. they don't even know the root of all the chaos within the muslim world .....

wow the righteous man is talking. Why do you convert to Muslim again? Is it because of necessity or hadlok lang jud ka putlan ulo diha?Or worst ma brokeback Wala ka kabantay imong kinaiya mura pud ug muslim?

Quran is the root cause, Even ignorant people knows that. Imagine ug walay quran basahon ang mga tawo, mabuang kaha ilang mga utok? Same sa bibliya.

Minus-minusi ug kaon ug fats dai kay maka highblood na.

[Bears Grill]

A lot of Muslims are actually peaceful human beings, either because they're just culturally Muslims (born to a Muslim family) or they're just converted into it due to marriage or they see it as a fashion statement or they like the fact that they can get away with taking a second wife. They all vary according to how well they know and follow the Islamic books: Quran, Hadith and the Sura. You have from one end, the moderates, like Irshad Manji and Maajid Nawaz, who are embarked on a mission to reform Islam (and hopelessly I might add). And then you have guys like Anjem Choudary (just listen to what this guy says and you'll get what I mean). Countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan are examples of countries that strictly conform their societies to the tenets of these books. But that's when the problem begins. I'll be the first to say that there's progress on religious tolerance when Saudi Arabia finally allows churches to be built in their country. Or that Hamas removes the "destruction of Israel" from its founding charter.

My worry/fear is not with Muslims but with Islam. It is more a political ideology than a religion. Irshad and Maajid are mistaken when they re-interpret Islam that resembles Western humanism (which is a good thing). Irshad actually found that out quickly when she visited Indonesia and was greeted by militant Muslims who called her a kafir (Infidel). We (the ones they call kafirs) should help Muslims like Irshad and Maajid win this ideological battle. In the end, I think Islamic Radicalism must be resolved by Muslims themselves.

If ISIS (and other radical incarnation) wins and the Philippines becomes part of a global caliphate, will you convert or stay true to your Christianity and become dhimmies (2nd class citizens)?

[Bears Grill]

one must live in the arab world to better understand what this whole conflict is all about. if you're just a person from outside the arab world, your opinions are rather based on news and hearsay. it's not entirely a bad thing, but you can't truly grasp the actual situation.

By conflict, I mean the Islamic world's hatred towards Infidels (people like me and most Filipinos). That's what I'm concerned about. It's actually much better to understand that conflict from an outsider's perspective, because when you're down there all you get are biased opinions and deceit.

first off - if we label ALL muslims as terrorists - ...

First off, I hope you did see I didn't say all muslims are terrorists.

if you say that Churches aren't allowed here in saudi - it's wrong. Churches are allowed here - BUT - you just have to practice your own belief in the privacy of your own home or celebrate in private.

By churches, I mean churches...not your own prayer rooms. Churches are not allowed in Saudi Arabia. Proof: Saudi Grand Mufti Calls for Destruction of ALL CHURCHES in the Region. Everyone knows this.

the root of all this isn't the quran, it's the interpretation of the man reading the quran.

True. But you have to be word contortionist to pull that off. The Wahabis (like Osama) made a life out of literally understanding not just the Quran but also the Hadith and the Sura.

and islam has two factions, here is where the main problem arises .... the arrogant Shia and the modest Sunni. The Shia thinks that they are better than the Sunni coz their leader is Ali, the nephew of muhammad. isis is shia muslims ....

Both are the problems. They share common hatred towards people who don't share their beliefs.

[Bears Grill]

@Bears Grill, i wasn't referring to you, it was for someone else who is utterly ignorant.

Point taken.

No. you got it all wrong. if you use the word ISLAMIC WORLD, you're basically generalizing that ALL muslims hate non-muslims. Remember that ISIS is derived from IRAQ-SYRIA-ISLAMIC-STATE. The source of it all comes from iraq and syria and funding from iran. does those three countries represent the entire islamic world ?? NO, right ?? so, please don't generalize.

But is it the norm or is it an exception? That's the question. If you read Islam's foundational texts, you'll find that almost 50% is devoted to the discussion about the Kafir (Infidel). Do you think these texts speak fondly about the Kafir (Infidel)?

you fail to know that israel and saudi are enemies. that "news" is false. in fact, the grand mufti promotes unity among each other, muslim and non-muslims.

i've been in saudi for six years now. i've been to private "churches" or born-again christians here. if they make an anniversary party, they would ask for a permit and they would state in the permit what they're going to do and the saudi government allows it.

The reason you've put "churches" in quotes and prefixed it with "private" proves my point. By churches, I mean cathedrals and similar such structures. There are no churches in Saudi Arabia. Show me a picture of a church in Saudi Arabia and I'll believe you. Look, if Christianity is freely practiced in Saudi and churches can be seen in the streets, then you wouldn't have the recent Popes lamenting about it.

Secondly, that news about the Grand Mufti calling for the destruction of all churches in the Gulf can also be found in Arabian Business news site. In fact, he not only said it once, he had to repeat himself so people would get the message.

i have a colleague here who is a church pastor, our boss knows about this, but our boss didn't reprimanded him. Now, tell me, where is the hatred of the muslims towards the non-muslims ??

Most Muslims are good people. It's when they dive into the jihad business that things become dicey. When you phrase it as "non-muslims", it softens the divide. But ask the Muslim who's knowledgeable (not the boss or the typical Muslim who are like you and me) about Islam's perspective on the "Kafir" (the Infidel) and you'll get disturbing answers.

my point basically is - isis doesn't represent the whole muslim world. in fact, the muslim world hates them.

but can i ask you, where does that fear comes from

The fear comes from the fact the moderate ones do not speak up resolutely against the acts of ISIS or Al Qaeda or Boko Haram. You'll see them say they "condemn" but they'll turn around and speak inside their mosques about the "magnificent 19" that flew planes into the World Trade Center. Or they'll condemn it and then blame Israel.

The fear comes from the almost daily mass murders committed around the world with shouts of "Allahu Akbar". That fear is materialized in our airport security measures. Why do you think we need to check what's inside our shoes? Why do you think we need to dispose of liquids before boarding? That's because a Muslim terrorist once tried to detonate a bomb hidden in his shoes. That's because a Muslim terrorist crafted a liquid-based bomb inside a shaving cream can and detonated it using a cellphone.

The fear comes from the surveys/Pew research that reveal that 77% would prefer Sharia Law or that they'd like to see Islam rule the world. The fear is about the freedoms that Islam takes away. So Islam is something that freedom-loving people do not want imposed upon them but which the fanatics prefer.

There's so many reasons to fear these recent stepped-up jihadi attacks. We must be vigilant. It can't be fought militarily alone. It must also be won in the ideological debates in the Islamic world.

[kit_cebu]

what are your thoughts on this:




as for me, i'd arrest the people involved and send them back where they come from and ban them from re-entering...

or offer them education...and a dictionary with only one word: Respect